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Help with stage fright!

  • 27-04-2010 2:49pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2


    Hi,

    Can anyone help me to overcome stage fright? I've wanted to sing forever but each time I have I've had really bad stage fright I haven't done anything in years cuz I can't stand it! I can sing and I love singing, I'd love some experience rehearsing with a band or something just to get confidence back, can anybody help with this please?? I'd really appreciate advice!

    Cheers(",)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭enfield


    Take a tip from an oldie. Before you go on stage have a good yawn. It really does work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭PMI


    Just try and remember no one is out to get you, they want to be entertained so walk out and do what you do..... :D

    treat the crowd as one person or focus on a point on back wall to make it easier if ya can until you can get up there with no probs...


  • Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    Hi,

    Can anyone help me to overcome stage fright? I've wanted to sing forever but each time I have I've had really bad stage fright I haven't done anything in years cuz I can't stand it! I can sing and I love singing, I'd love some experience rehearsing with a band or something just to get confidence back, can anybody help with this please?? I'd really appreciate advice!

    Cheers(",)

    I swear I'm not being mean or snide or judgemental, but irrational fear isn't a hugely easy thing to just shake.

    If you want to do this sooner than later, get some trained professional help.

    I swear, it's your best bet!

    Good luck!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭Zapho


    OP how bad is your stage fright?

    Do you nervous infront of a crowd or do you get nervous infront of even just one person?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭the_barfly1


    I can't believe nobody has advocated the use of drugs or alcohol to overcome this issue yet!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭Bealzebub259


    It helps to get the adrenaline pumping before you go out infront of people. Running around helps. Try and make sure the stage is well lit. I know it may sound stupid, but the less people you see, the less people you feel like you're in front of (and if the light's too blinding wear some sunglasses lol). Also, don't try and relax with alcohol or by smoking anything, they relax the vocal chords and you'll struggle to hit notes properly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Al86


    If singing means enough to you, you will just get up & do it! I play drums in a band & always get nervous before a gig (whether there's 1 or 100 people there!) but I know once a couple of songs have been played , the buzz is great & I let go! & before I know it the gig is over! Nobody can slate you for putting yourself out there & it takes even more balls for a frontman/singer to do it! So just enjoy it!


  • Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    What I did for years as a guitarist was playbte first 30-60secs of the opening song over and over for the half hour before we went on...

    Thi meant that I didn't have to think it and certainly wouldn't screw it up... After those 30secs on stage any fear I had would be replaced with joy...

    That sorted me out completely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    the fear is half the fun.

    you could always wreck some whit outside before you start to get you in the headspace though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭Rigsby


    enfield wrote: »
    Take a tip from an oldie. Before you go on stage have a good yawn. It really does work.

    Believe it or not, but this is true. When you yawn, you inhale deeply and slowly, then release the air slowly. This is exactly what is required to relax the body. Before going on stage, find a quiet corner, and inhale deeply then exhale slowly. Do this maybe half a dozen times, and try to breath as regulaly and deeply as possible during your performance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭enfield


    Yawnng always worked for me. I wonder how many of you who read this did not yawn?
    lol
    I am yawning now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Murphyt


    Hi op, I agree with the yawning and deep breath ideas, it is also a matter of getting experience and used to it as the nerves never fully go away and they shouldn't.
    It seems though that you are not in a band anymore so maybe joining a choir to start might be a good idea that way you can get back into singing and build some confidence singing with and in front of others, but at the same time you will not be alone and so can blend in with the others to start with until you are ready to step into the spotlight again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Malice


    enfield wrote: »
    Yawnng always worked for me. I wonder how many of you who read this did not yawn?
    lol
    I am yawning now
    I yawned but that's because I'm bloody tired :).

    As for how I deal with stage fright, I find that just concentrating on what I'm doing forces me to stop think "I must not screw up, I must not screw up". After the first song or two of a gig I'm usually relaxed.

    Some people also swear by a beer or two but of course watch out for having too many as it's a fine line with some people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,560 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    If possible, stay outside the venue till the last possible moment, preferably in your car, and watch passers by.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,323 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Hey OP!

    I would suggest that you do some backing vocals for a band. There's always bands and groups on here looking for some sort of backing vocals.

    This way, you'll be on stage singing, but the attention won't be on you. You'd be surprised how this would really bump your confidence up!

    You'll be out in front in no time!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭yoursaviour1989


    I've always found it more nerve-wracking when there is a small crowd. A few different tips, sunglasses, you may look like an idiot but you avoid making eye contact with anyone which can help. Avoid, as a singer, having to start the opening song. Even if the band only plays a few bars of an intro just pick a song you like and by the time the vocals come in you will have gotten into it.
    That tip about staying outside the venue is useful. Try not to hang around for too long before, that builds nervous anticipation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭odonopenmic


    As suggested, DEFINITELY look to do backing vocals as a way in. After a while, you'll loosen up and realise that doing backing, no one is looking at you anyway. Once you're used to being on stage, you'll start enjoying it and looking for more. Best drug ever :)

    The other thing I used to do, although I'm not sure if this will even make any sense, is instead of getting nervous and anxious and negative, I'd try and get really hyper instead. As someone said, running around, jumping around etc. uses up a lot of this nervous energy but makes good on it.

    Also, try and notice triggers - is there a certain type of crowd that makes it worse? i.e. if you know your mates are out there is it easier or harder? Have you had 20 cups of coffee before you get to the venue? Are you making comparisons with other musicians/support bands etc. that make you feel worse? Try and objectively look at the times in the past where it's got hard, identify if there are factors you can change or lessen, and try and get around it that way.

    Finally, GET EXPERIENCE!! I found that only by playing live, in front of loads of people, did I start to become more confident and really start enjoying it. At this point, I'll plug (sorry Mods if this is misplaced), an open mic that myself and few mates and bandmates run in O'Donoghue's, Suffolk St every Tuesday. We have every level of player and we'll be really nice to you if you're finding your feet! :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    This is just my opinion now, but I reckon the only times I have ever been truly nervous about going onstage was when I was afraid of being found out. Ergo, I knew I hadn't done my work. This also applies to written exams, etc.

    Be truthful with yourself. Are you ill-prepared? Are you fooling yourself? If not, then you have nothing to be nervous about.

    This is why I hate performing comedy improv, by the way. No matter what you do, there is no way to prepare adequately! Hence, I always **** myself before the show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Vomit


    Just remember how pointless life is...and how you and the whole audience will probably be dead in 50 years. If that doesn't work just rub one out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭odonopenmic


    One more suggestion, or mantra, if you will :D

    Do it and feel it later

    Make a deal with yourself that you can freak out, freeze, cry, shake... everything but only after you do the gig.

    If I kept telling myself, do it and feel it later (over and over and over.....) I'd always get through the gig and then once it was done wouldn't feel like freaking out anymore.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 littlered85


    Thanks for the help, all I need to do now is get singing again to put these suggestions into practice! I like the idea of starting as a backing singer. I should've sorted this out years ago!

    If anyone knows anyone lookin for a backing singer with little experience (chance'll be a fine thing) let me know!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Fandango


    This is just my opinion now, but I reckon the only times I have ever been truly nervous about going onstage was when I was afraid of being found out. Ergo, I knew I hadn't done my work. This also applies to written exams, etc.

    Be truthful with yourself. Are you ill-prepared? Are you fooling yourself? If not, then you have nothing to be nervous about.

    This is why I hate performing comedy improv, by the way. No matter what you do, there is no way to prepare adequately! Hence, I always **** myself before the show.
    Your spot on but as someone else said, it is an irrational fear. Telling yourself the obvious, as in people are there to be entertained by you, youre well able to do it by yourself so why not to other people etc, doesnt always work. Trust me, i know from many years experience!! :) Id say the backing vocal route would be the best way. You could then slowly get more involved in the vocals of the song as you build your confidence and hopefully overcome it in time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 363 ✭✭Darmstrong


    It may not work for everyone but i found that when you get that nervous feeling and feel like you're going blank before you go onstage have a good shout. Obviously don't hurt yourself but find somewhere away from people, breathe deeply and have a shout, when you're shouting exhale and when you're done that dread in the pit of your stomach should have passed.

    Also, if you are in a band, rely on your band members for support, they are on stage with you and you are a group so look to them for a smile or a reassuring glance!

    Tbh there is no definite way of getting rid of stage fright and a lot of well known performers still suffer from pre-gig dread, even years into their careers.

    On a positive note a lot of people's stage fright goes 1-2 songs into their set so if you can last that long i'm sure you will have no problems!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 140 ✭✭MagDee


    I'm just going to suggest voice lessons. When you're not chancing the songs it's much easier to live with stage fright. also as a vocal coach I would often do sessions on before the gig relaxation exercises, warmups and tips and tricks how to behave on stage.

    also when you concentrate more on your technique you get distracted enough to shove the stage fright to the back of your head only :)

    if you're looking for voice lessons or if u want to work on that stage fright - let me know. www.voicestudio.info

    also, depending on what style of music is your cup of tea - join a choir! a gospel choir maybe? that's the best way in my opinion to get on stage without the pressure of being a front man. then do a solo or two with the choir backing you up behind you and no more stage fright for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭sh1tin-a-brick


    I know this is an old thread but I didnt know if I should start a new one or not...

    I've been playing the electric guitar for a year and I'm decent at at; but I hate playing in front of people! Since I started playing I've dreamed (sounds cheesy) of playing on stage, showing everyone that I can play. I took a big step two weeks ago and signed up to my school's talent show with a band of 3 fellas.

    However I am now absolutely ****ting it!!! And that's only cos I'm going to be practicing with the lads this evening, we havent even gone through auditions yet. The 3 lads all have experience performing but I'm a newbie and I'm genuinely thinking of pulling out even though I want to do it. I'm terrified that I'm going to make a tit of myself in front of people from my school, I'm already considered a bit of a square so I really dont want to embarress myself!

    If anyone has any past experience or advice for this kind of thing I would really reallu appreciate it!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Malice


    Well most of what's already been written should still be applicable Mr. Brick. What you need to do is practice whatever songs you're going to play over and over until you can rattle them off with very few (preferably no) mistakes. Once you can do that, enjoy the fact that you're going to be on stage and the people watching you aren't. You think that they think you're a square? Screw them. You're the one who had the balls to get up on stage and rock out, not them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Seamonster


    I can't believe nobody has advocated the use of drugs or alcohol to overcome this issue yet!

    You could try rescue remedy, I drum and have done some nerve-wracking gigs in the past, rescue remedy works a treat to take the edge off your nerves!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭sh1tin-a-brick


    Thanks for the replies... and um, its Ms! :L:L

    Trust me I will be practicing morning to night... but the problem is a song that I can play perfectly 99% of the time (eg Plug In Baby) I feck up when I imagine myself being on the stage. But I realised earlier that it really is true that most of the people watching won't notice if I make a mistake so that has helped a bit.

    This may be a stupid question but what's a rescue remedy? If it's drink I'm already considering that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Seamonster


    Rescue remedy is a herbal remedy you can buy in most chemists, it comes in drops and as a spray. It really works for stressful situations like interviews, gigs etc. It's about 10 Euro a bottle (Bottle is really small) but it works great!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Malice


    Sorry Ms. Brick. You should have chosen a girly avatar then I'd have known:).
    Generally when I play a gig I would start off with a song that the band knows the best to get everyone into the groove. After a few songs you'll be fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭sh1tin-a-brick


    Seamonster wrote: »
    Rescue remedy is a herbal remedy you can buy in most chemists, it comes in drops and as a spray. It really works for stressful situations like interviews, gigs etc. It's about 10 Euro a bottle (Bottle is really small) but it works great!

    That's not a bad idea! Cheers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭drumdrum


    Nerves will go away with experience....but which comes first here, the chicken or the egg?
    :D

    What I always do is simple. Take a deep breath before you play the first note onstage. For me, it helps to calm me down.

    What I did at the start of my gigging days is write a list down on a piece of paper of all your fears about going on stage. Do this an hour before you go on in the toilets if you have to. Could be simple like:
    1 - I will play all the wrong notes,
    2 - Everyone will laugh at me
    3 - I will drop my guitar and the world will explode!!
    4 - INSERT OVER-DRAMATIC EXAGGERATION HERE!! (you get the jist! ;) )

    Now when you read back over the piece of paper you should see how overly catastrophising they will see and also, well, kinda silly in the grander scheme of things. I mean, think "so what if I suck?" -> Tomorrow will come whether you suck or rock, and TBH most people will have forgotten in a week or so regardless. Crumple up the piece of silly-paper and chuck it in the bin....(BTW, don't flush it unless your intentionally trying to clog the schools drainage system! :D )

    Just get up there onstage, take a breath, realise how stupid you were for having these nerves/fears and bloody well enjoy yourself!! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭sh1tin-a-brick


    drumdrum wrote: »
    Nerves will go away with experience....but which comes first here, the chicken or the egg?
    :D

    What I always do is simple. Take a deep breath before you play the first note onstage. For me, it helps to calm me down.

    What I did at the start of my gigging days is write a list down on a piece of paper of all your fears about going on stage. Do this an hour before you go on in the toilets if you have to. Could be simple like:
    1 - I will play all the wrong notes,
    2 - Everyone will laugh at me
    3 - I will drop my guitar and the world will explode!!
    4 - INSERT OVER-DRAMATIC EXAGGERATION HERE!! (you get the jist! ;) )

    Now when you read back over the piece of paper you should see how overly catastrophising they will see and also, well, kinda silly in the grander scheme of things. I mean, think "so what if I suck?" -> Tomorrow will come whether you suck or rock, and TBH most people will have forgotten in a week or so regardless. Crumple up the piece of silly-paper and chuck it in the bin....(BTW, don't flush it unless your intentionally trying to clog the schools drainage system! :D )

    Just get up there onstage, take a breath, realise how stupid you were for having these nerves/fears and bloody well enjoy yourself!! :)

    Ah sir (Donegal speak) you made me laugh!! Thanks so much for the effort you put into your answer; I will definitely try that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 johnnym1980


    hey there , johnnym1980 here .
    if you are available and interested , just started a casual cover band .i have the same issue with stagefright and have done for years , but getting over it gradually .we have a studio room booked for a month at volt studios ,and need a female influence . no pressure here ,we are all in the same boat. just easing back into things ,give a call if you like on <snip>
    cheers talk soon .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Fandango


    Johnny, unless you like prank calls galore id remove the mobile number. :)

    Anyway, as for the stage fright, there is no easy answer. People who dont suffer from it will give you ways around it but depending on how badly you have it, it can be alot harder to shake. For me, i suffer from Anxiety and Panic attacks which is the equivilant of getting stage fright everytime your in a queue/crowded pub/restaraunt or basically any crowded place. I cant go onstage without a couple of pints beforehand but thats not advisable for 2 reasons. First is the obvious one which is you dont want to have to rely on alcohol as a crutch for anything and secondly, its a thin line between going onstage comfortable and going on drunk.

    The best way is to just push all your worries aside and get out there but of course that is easier said than done. Ive been playing live about 15 years and i can guarentee you i have made some little mistake in a huge amount of gigs that to me might sound like I seriously messed up but to the listener goes by unnoticed. With time you will see that and it wont seem so daunting anymore. Before you go on, picture the best case scenario in your head. Ya know, gig goes amazing, everone telling you how brilliant it sounded etc instead of what could go wrong and remember that you can play the songs and that all your doubts are simply your head messing with you. And of course remember its about having fun so even if you make a mistake, ignore it and just enjoy yourself. Anyone who tries to take the pi$$ out of you? Hand them the guitar and ask them to try and do it better. Hope it goes well for you anyway and once the nerves are gone, i can guarantee there is no better feeling in the world than being on a stage. Best of luck with it!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Malice


    Fandango wrote: »
    Johnny, unless you like prank calls galore id remove the mobile number. :)
    That's done now. Often for something like that you're better off reporting the post as it is then more likely to get noticed by forum moderators.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Fandango


    Ah right, will do in future. Even tho they dont get in trouble, i still feel like im ratting someone out when i do that tho hehe :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭Denalihighway


    if it helps you, (it has certainly helped me) , try to forget completely that there are an audience there for you to entertain. you don't sound like the 'entertainer' type...that's not a bad thing. i could be wrong, maybe you have secret longings to be a matt bellamy type showboater - in which case you may require an ego transplant :)

    people will see through you if you're not being natural on stage. and if you're being natural, feeling the groove and as a result visibly enjoying yourself (whatever that looks like) then people will usually respond to that.

    act like you're in rehearsal. i assume like me that you would really get into it in rehearsals when you're feeling it and if that happens, then the above should happen.

    i've suffered from terrible nerves, was never a comfortable front man, but always got through it and always enjoyed myself. don't be crippled by nerves!

    and after you get through your first shows and enjoy them - remind yourself when you're nervous about the next gig not to be so silly. unless you're headlining the pyramid stage at glastonbury...

    hope that helps


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭sh1tin-a-brick


    if it helps you, (it has certainly helped me) , try to forget completely that there are an audience there for you to entertain. you don't sound like the 'entertainer' type...that's not a bad thing. i could be wrong, maybe you have secret longings to be a matt bellamy type showboater - in which case you may require an ego transplant :)

    people will see through you if you're not being natural on stage. and if you're being natural, feeling the groove and as a result visibly enjoying yourself (whatever that looks like) then people will usually respond to that.

    act like you're in rehearsal. i assume like me that you would really get into it in rehearsals when you're feeling it and if that happens, then the above should happen.

    i've suffered from terrible nerves, was never a comfortable front man, but always got through it and always enjoyed myself. don't be crippled by nerves!

    and after you get through your first shows and enjoy them - remind yourself when you're nervous about the next gig not to be so silly. unless you're headlining the pyramid stage at glastonbury...

    hope that helps

    I think I have "MUSEFAN" tattooed on my forehead!! Love them... anyway yeah I see what you mean, if we end up playing something by Muse I know I certainly wont be comfortable doing some sort of Bellamy impression leaping about, I would be more of a Chris Wolstenholme type, being quietly briliant in the corner (haha I wish!)

    Anyway thanks for that, all these replies have been very useful and really want to thank everyone for taking the time to reply to my irrational, nonsensical but very much real fear! I think that I'm already more at ease with the idea of performing, actually getting up and doing it is the next step! :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭IrishCian


    I definitely don't recommend alcohol. Not only will one drink make it harder for you to hit those notes, it'll dry out your mouth (even worse if you're under lights) and more than one drink can lead to forgetting lyrics, going out of time etc.

    First time I ever sang at a gig, (a school show), they had a little smoke/dry ice machine up on stage. Meant I couldn't see the crowd at all, which was perfect!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Jamie Starr


    I remember the first time I ever acted on a stage, I was shaking through the entire show. Not "brr it's cold" but uncontrollable shaking- I've never experienced anything like it since. This was because the play required us to sit out in front of the crowd, motionless, when we weren't in a scene. My body went completely haywire.

    However, I've done two plays since then, in front of even bigger crowds, and sang and played guitar for people- with hardly any nerves. I can get up in front of people without a bother now. So, the best advice for stage fright I'd give is just throw yourself into it- it might not be the most comfortable thing you do the first time, but after that you'll find it easier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭stingray75


    this will of course sound silly.....but consciously trying to play something wrong (as in playing it through a self-imposed wall of difficulty) is a VERY effective way of playing rather perfectly....but you have to get into it whilst practicing...

    give it a shot all y'all....;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Matt Bianco


    Similar to what some previous posters have mentioned, most people there are gunning for you.

    I was told this anecdote by my past guitar teacher when talking about nerves when going in for exams which apparently is printed in a RIAM booklet and attributed to Elvis Costello. Basically it states that when you're playing a gig, a lot of peole have gone to the hassle of getting tickets, getting ready, travelling to the gig, getting a few drinks in and anticipating the band coming on and basically having a good time. THEY WANT YOU TO SUCCEED.

    There may also be a minority there who want you to f**k up and you invariably will in parts (the magic of humans over machines).

    Therefore everyone gets what they came for!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭David Matthew


    I realise it's been awhile since this thread has been active, but it contains a lot of useful advice, so I hope this doesn't count as bumping an old thread.

    I'm looking for ways of overcoming my own stage fright, and while, as I said, I think a lot of the advice given here is very useful, I don't feel it would apply to my own case so well.

    I play the piano and write solo piano pieces, and no matter how well I perform them alone, I litterally go to pieces when I feel the presence of a listener. They need not even be in the same room. So full confidence that I've worked hard enough and have nothing to fear mistake-wise is something no amount of practice will guarantee for me. I pull the equivalent of a musical blank; errors just seem to jump out of nowhere. I can't keep my fingers from shaking, and my awareness of those around me reaches such a pitch (no pun intended) of intensity that concentrating on what I'm doing seems next to impossible.

    Also, when you're performing on piano, it's much harder to convince yourself that people won't notice the mistakes.

    I won't go on and on; suffice to say I suffer from something more like stage panic-attack than stage fright. I'm just wondering, besides throwing myself into the deep end and capitalizing on the adrenaline (which cripples more than facilitates me), is there some professional-type help that exists for this? Ideally, I imagine a big group of sh1t-scared musicians getting together and helping each other by providing a mock audience... Music therapy with a difference!

    Does anyone have any suggestions?


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