MPG/Fuel Consumption question

Max Power1

Which of the following would use less fuel:

Rover 75 2000, 1.8 petrol
Toyota Avensis 2001, 2.0 Diesel

colm_mcm

The Avensis by a country mile. my older model TD engined 01 does between 40 and 50mpg, the D-4D is even better, used to be able to get in the 60s on long runs (with a very light foot). the D-4D is lively as well as the body is light and the engine is very torquey.

wheelspin in 2nd coming out of roundabouts if you're not careful!

jaffa20

Here's your answer

http://www.carpages.co.uk/toyota/toyota_avensis_diesel_returns_75mpg_25_07_03.asp

:eek:

Max Power1

40-50 mpg? quite impressive for a relatively old 2 litre! Anyone have any figures on the Rover?

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GTE

Max Power1 wrote: »

40-50 mpg? quite impressive for a relatively old 2 litre! Anyone have any figures on the Rover?

Sure my 2000 VW Golf TDI would get 57mpg in the Summer if I was light footed, its doing 45 - 48 now that Ive developed a heavy foot and in the winter.

The cold damages MPG. Point being that the older diesels can be the best of the bunch MPG and reliability wise since its before the common rail shiznizzle came in.

Max Power1

Max Power1 wrote: »

40-50 mpg? quite impressive for a relatively old 2 litre! Anyone have any figures on the Rover?

The 1.8 K in the 75 would use quite a drop, you'd be doing well to get 35mpg from it on a run and low 20s or worse around town, mixed driving might return 30mpg if you're lightfooted. Get a diesel 75

Max Power1

RoverJames wrote: »

The 1.8 K in the 75 would use quite a drop, you'd be doing well to get 35mpg from it on a run and low 20s or worse around town, mixed driving might return 30mpg if you're lightfooted. Get a diesel 75

I dont think "lightfooted" is how i'd describe my driving, and thats putting it mildly

Diesel 75's are even more scarce though, and seem to be all auto's (a no-no) and double the price of the petrol models. I was initially looking for a diesel model but no suitable ones were available (and still arent). In a budget of 3K max its difficult though!

Anto123

Be cautious about buying a 1.8 Rover 75 - They have a tendency to blow head gaskets.

The 2 litre doesn’t have these problems if you can stretch to the tax and extra petrol.

Max Power1

Anto123 wrote: »

Be cautious about buying a 1.8 Rover 75 - They have a tendency to blow head gaskets.

The 2 litre doesn’t have these problems if you can stretch to the tax and extra petrol

head gaskets? As in more than once per car? Ive checked the service history and the head gasket was replaced in the last 5k miles.

I'd really prefer to stick to the 1.8 - for lower insurance especaially, as a male under 25 its not easy to get a quote on a 2 litre car!

Anto123

Anto123 wrote: »

Be cautious about buying a 1.8 Rover 75 - They have a tendency to blow head gaskets.

The 2 litre doesn’t have these problems if you can stretch to the tax and extra petrol.

The 2.0KV6 has other problems that cost more than a HG on a K4 to put right.

Anto123

I don't know too much myself, just that a friend looked into buying one and was scared off the 1.8 (bought a 2l instead).

http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=49300

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Rover_75_1_8__Review_5030309

It seems it's not unheard of for them to blow multiple gaskets, thought of course you would be unlucky for it to happen.

Timing belt on a KV6 can cost close to a grand to get done
That's not even one of the issue they are know for, if the HG goes on the K4 and it doesn't overheat (I have little sympathy for anyone driving a car with the temp needle burried in the red) the HG work is less than €500 including timing belt. Also if one keeps an eye in the coolant level the HG may never go, water loss is usually the cause. Although the 1.8 is being asked to do a lot lugging a 75 about.

colm_mcm

Max Power1 wrote: »

40-50 mpg? quite impressive for a relatively old 2 litre! Anyone have any figures on the Rover?

It's only done 100k and has had an easy life

Max Power1

Max Power1 wrote: »

Diesel 75's are even more scarce though, and seem to be all auto's (a no-no) and double the price of the petrol models. I was initially looking for a diesel model but no suitable ones were available (and still arent). In a budget of 3K max its difficult though!

The auto 75 is considered a better option than the manual as the clutch is not a cheap job on a 75, subframe needs to come off. You should have no bother finding a good diesel 75 for €3000 if you have a month or so to wait for the right one to come along.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1278895

Max Power1

colm_mcm wrote: »

It's only done 100k and has had an easy life

RoverJames wrote: »

The auto 75 is considered a better option than the manual as the clutch is not a cheap job on a 75, subframe needs to come off. You should have no bother finding a good diesel 75 for €3000 if you have a month or so to wait for the right one to come along.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1278895

Aye but the one quoted is in longford! I'd be really hesitant to look outside dublin/kildare, and buying private is a major no no imo

colm_mcm

100k on a 9 year old diesel Avensis would be considered "breaking in" mileage to some

I'd hold out for a 75 diesel auto if I were you.

Max Power1

colm_mcm wrote: »

100k on a 9 year old diesel Avensis would be considered "breaking in" mileage to some

I'd hold out for a 75 diesel auto if I were you.

Yeah i know, but i didnt think the mileage was mentioned on thread? Anyway the one i was looking at is an ex taxi but 90k miles. 90k legit aswell, Ive seen the last 4 years of nct tests

Not really a fan of autos, but I am going to look around for the diesel 75 - theres none in budget on carzone atm, and hasnt been in the past month AFAIK

colm_mcm

that'd be considered low mileage, timing belt due at 90000 miles on those, make sure it's been done if you're considering it.

mileage was only mentioned because that's how much is on my TD and it's getting those figures, a D-4D would be a bit better again presuming all is well with injectors etc.

Tea 1000

bbk wrote: »

Sure my 2000 VW Golf TDI would get 57mpg in the Summer if I was light footed, its doing 45 - 48 now that Ive developed a heavy foot and in the winter.

The cold damages MPG. Point being that the older diesels can be the best of the bunch MPG and reliability wise since its before the common rail shiznizzle came in.

Actually hot weather affects mpg much more. During the last heat wave we got in this country, which is back about 4 or 5 years ago, I was down nearly 100 miles out of a tank in two or three consecutive fills because of the heat, and that wasn't with air con use. Less dense air causes the problems!
And that era Avensis was still common rail.

Max Power1

Max Power1 wrote: »

I'd be really hesitant to look outside dublin/kildare, and buying private is a major no no imo

You're making life difficult for yourself, dealers charge a good amount for them as they are not hard to shift. A good one is surely worth a two hour spin.

I had a 1997 Rover 400 diesel that returned 50mpg on a run and over 40mpg mixed driving. Diesel 45s would be worth a look if one turned up.

Max Power1

RoverJames wrote: »

You're making life difficult for yourself, dealers charge a good amount for them as they are not hard to shift. A good one is surely worth a two hour spin.

It would, but Id really want to be sure, its a lot easier to take it back a month down the line (if it turns out to be a lemon) to a dealer down the road than it would be to a dealer in longford, with no way to get there (esp if car is a lemon, wont make the 2 hour drive)

RoverJames wrote: »

I had a 1997 Rover 400 diesel that returned 50mpg on a run and over 40mpg mixed driving. Diesel 45s would be worth a look if one turned up.

Yes, but i'd kinda had my heart set on the likes of a 75/Passat/Avensis/Mondeo/Accord. A 45 would be a class down from those IMO

colm_mcm

Tea 1000 wrote: »

And that era Avensis was still common rail.

The common rail ones came in in late 2000, but there were still ones with the
engine from the Carina (like mine) knocking around till spring 2001.

EPM

RoverJames wrote: »

You're making life difficult for yourself, dealers charge a good amount for them as they are not hard to shift. A good one is surely worth a two hour spin.

+1

You're paying a large proportion of the cars cost for a warranty that is often not worth much more than the paper it's written on (assuming you get the beer mat).

If you bring a decent mechanic to give it a look over you're as well covered. At that price range it's the bare minimum spend on dealers part to make it sellable. Often they will be trade cars anyway

Max Power1

Just an update on this, I bought the 75 - got it for 2.2k with a 6 months parts and labour warranty and 2 years nct.

I went to get the avensis and it was sold yesterday!

unkel

Well wear!

Which one did you buy, any linky to the ad?

Max Power1

Max Power1 wrote: »

Just an update on this, I bought the 75 - got it for 2.2k with a 6 months parts and labour warranty and 2 years nct.

I went to get the avensis and it was sold yesterday!

This one ??

RoverJames wrote: »

The auto 75 is considered a better option than the manual as the clutch is not a cheap job on a 75, subframe needs to come off. You should have no bother finding a good diesel 75 for €3000 if you have a month or so to wait for the right one to come along.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1278895

Padraig Mor

RoverJames wrote: »

The 1.8 K in the 75 would use quite a drop, you'd be doing well to get 35mpg from it on a run and low 20s or worse around town, mixed driving might return 30mpg if you're lightfooted. Get a diesel 75

I had one (75 1.8) and was getting 26/27 mpg in mixed driving.

Max Power1

Nah it wasnt the one on donedeal, it was on carzone but the linky is gone now (they move fast :P )

75 petrol 1.8 Club SE. Would have liked the diesel though!