CO2 cannisters - Planes

ROK ON

Can you bring a CO2 cannister on a plane.

I bought a C)2 pump and a few cannisters last week.
I seem to recall something saying that you cant bring compressed air on planes - has anyone brought them on a plane, or had them refused?

Captain Havoc

I thought you couldn't but it appears I'm wrong again:

Murph100

Hmmmm I just had a read through all Aer Lingus' prohibited items, but cant see anything about small CO2 containers, only LARGE gas containers and butane, propane and other flammable gases.

Looks OK to me.

72hundred

Phone 'em! Easiest and definitive answer.

Nietzschean

72hundred wrote: »

Phone 'em! Easiest and definitive answer.

...if its anything like most of my encounters with aer lingus they won't have a definite answer so depending on who you talk to will get either answer...

If its not listed as being banned bring it, worst they'll do is just take them...

rubs

Its not so much the airline but the airport!....I got caught rotten last year coming back from Nice. I had the bike box packed with a load of gear and about 15 canisters.....Decathlon and Go Sport were selling them at 6 for €5.....got through check-in and then I was called into the security scanner room where they had my bike box and made me take the whole thing apart and empty out the canisters...problem was I couldn`t find them all and had to do it three times:rolleyes:...i had them stuck everywhere, down shoes, in the helmet....security were majorally pissed!:D

For the record I had no problem flying out and that was with Aer Lingus form Dublin...only had 2 at that point though

Hope this helps:)

Morty78

As as rubs above, I had no problem flying out off Dublin with Aer Lingus, with CO2's had them in my bike bag, and it even went through the oversize scanner but in Malaga Airport I got pulled in and asked to take them out, they took them off me.

Lumen

I wouldn't. As I recall it's against international airline regs.

CO2 canisters can do some damage in an enclosed space if punctured.

I think it falls under the general category of "things you can do to invite a cavity search".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxrNcyuFOis

Straatvark

From Dublin to Brussels, no problem.

From Brussels to Dublin: was called out to baggage area and had to unpack + remove.

ROK ON

Thanks. On the basis that I hate hassle more than airports I will leave them at home.

Can lock thread now.

IM0

I didnt see that you cant take plutonium 210 in the regs either :rolleyes:

moral of the story is if you like agro, bring them.

Edit: just saw you're leaving them at home, a wise move

Lumen

Dublin Airport security took three CO2 canisters off me today.

I decided to try and get them through "in plain sight" as carry on, so stuck them in a transparent bag toiletries-style.

They were not impressed. Conversation went like:

Drone: What are these?
Me: Carbon dioxide canisters.
Drone: Cabon monoxide? You can't take them through.
Me: No, carbon dioxide, for inflating bicycle tyres.
Drone: You can't take them through.
Me: According to Aer Lingus, I can't take through large quantities of gas. These are very small. I know a few people who've had no issues.
Drone: Let me check with my supervisor.....No, you definitely can't. We're not even allowed to dispose of them, we have to give them to the Fire Brigade to destroy.
Me: (Pauses to think deeply about my response). OK then, take them.

For. Fecks. Sake.

So what's the strategy then? Stick them in hold luggage and hope your luggage doesn't become the subject of a controlled explosion?

Stokolan

How about posting them to where your going a couple of days before you go?

Moflojo

Lumen wrote: »

Dublin Airport security took three CO2 canisters off me today.

I decided to try and get them through "in plain sight" as carry on, so stuck them in a transparent bag toiletries-style.

They were not impressed. Conversation went like:

Drone: What are these?
Me: Carbon dioxide canisters.
Drone: Cabon monoxide? You can't take them through.
Me: No, carbon dioxide, for inflating bicycle tyres.
Drone: You can't take them through.
Me: According to Aer Lingus, I can't take through large quantities of gas. These are very small. I know a few people who've had no issues.
Drone: Let me check with my supervisor.....No, you definitely can't. We're not even allowed to dispose of them, we have to give them to the Fire Brigade to destroy.
Me: (Pauses to think deeply about my response). OK then, take them.

For. Fecks. Sake.

So what's the strategy then? Stick them in hold luggage and hope your luggage doesn't become the subject of a controlled explosion?

They're pressurised gas canisters, aka hazardous material. It doesn't matter how small they are. If you're looking for logic in the reason they're not allowed on the plane, how about 'Things that can go KABOOM are not allowed on planes'.

A self-righteous cyclist stance on this topic would look extremely arrogant, so please don't try to defend the idea of bringing gas canisters on planes.

You terrorist...

@Stokolan: You can't post HazMat either. You're not even supposed to transport these in a commercial vehicle unless you display the appropriate HazMat sign. Can you not just bring a handpump with you and buy a canister at the first bike shop you pass? They're not that expensive, and certainly not worth getting a full cavity search over! :rolleyes:

kennyb3

Stokolan wrote: »

How about posting them to where your going a couple of days a week or two before you go?

FYP, it can take two days for the irish postal service to deliver a letter to the next town

Lumen

Moflojo wrote: »

They're pressurised gas canisters, aka hazardous material. It doesn't matter how small they are. If you're looking for logic in the reason they're not allowed on the plane, how about 'Things that can go KABOOM are not allowed on planes'.

A self-righteous cyclist stance on this topic would look extremely arrogant, so please don't try to defend the idea of bringing gas canisters on planes.

I have no strong opinions on the safety of CO2 canisters on planes.

I'm looking for logic in the reason that other people have reported no issues with bringing the canisters on a plane through Dublin Airport, whereas I did.

kennyb3

Lumen wrote: »

I have no strong opinions on the safety of CO2 canisters on planes.

I'm looking for logic in the reason that other people have reported no issues with bringing the canisters on a plane through Dublin Airport, whereas I did.

I wouldnt say there is much logic, prob just hit and miss, from day to day person to person. Thats the way it sounds anyway

Moflojo

Lumen wrote: »

I have no strong opinions on the safety of CO2 canisters on planes.

I'm looking for logic in the reason that other people have reported no issues with bringing the canisters on a plane through Dublin Airport, whereas I did.

'Drones' are not the most effective security personnel.

Edit: KennyB3 +1

IM0

Lumen wrote: »

I'm looking for logic in the reason that other people have reported no issues with bringing the canisters on a plane through Dublin Airport, whereas I did.

Lumen you should have figured out by now that there is very little logic involved in making rules. It goes like this: some dumbass thinks of a reason to change something, and everyone below him says great idea sir!

amused2death

IF you bring Scuba driving ActionMan with you and have the canisters attached to his back and the spares in his ruck sack they wont suspect a thing! Thick as planks the DAA airport security are. Every time I go through with ActionMan in tow, they salute him. Brothers-in-arms and all that...
I almost screwed up once when at home I had picked up barbie instead of ActionMan. Luckily the drone on duty was female and simply asked Barbie where she had got her dress!

Straatvark

Lumen wrote: »

Dublin Airport security took three CO2 canisters off me today.

I decided to try and get them through "in plain sight" as carry on, so stuck them in a transparent bag toiletries-style.

They were not impressed. Conversation went like:

Drone: What are these?
Me: Carbon dioxide canisters.
Drone: Cabon monoxide? You can't take them through.
Me: No, carbon dioxide, for inflating bicycle tyres.
Drone: You can't take them through.
Me: According to Aer Lingus, I can't take through large quantities of gas. These are very small. I know a few people who've had no issues.
Drone: Let me check with my supervisor.....No, you definitely can't. We're not even allowed to dispose of them, we have to give them to the Fire Brigade to destroy.
Me: (Pauses to think deeply about my response). OK then, take them.

For. Fecks. Sake.

So what's the strategy then? Stick them in hold luggage and hope your luggage doesn't become the subject of a controlled explosion?

:D:D

Your mistake was the 16g canisters - try the 12g next time

Spin them it is your personal inflation device for the emergency exit slides (should theirs fail)

IM0

try a bit of reverse psychology...

drone: "what are these for?"
biker: "blowing up the plane of course!"
drone: "he he u kidder" [nudges you with elbow, winks and opens red velvet rope]

niceonetom

me@ucd wrote: »

try a bit of reverse psychology...

drone: "what are these for?"
biker: "blowing up the plane of course!"
drone: "he he u kidder" [nudges you with elbow, winks and opens red velvet rope]

Assuming that airport staff have any concept of humour whatsoever is a mistake.

ROK ON

You should have checked them in.

levitronix

Flying into san franciso two years ago they didnt release my bike box out onto the over size luggage belt, i went looking for it and eventually found it after taking to staff, it was box was busted i open and closed back again security tape, when i complained about it an airport customs or airport police officer i cant remember tried to read me the riot act saying how i was in breech of so many different things for bringing compressed gas canisters on a plane into the US

Would say its not worth the hassle just buy them when you get there, but in saying that last year i was in austria and forgot two C02's in a saddle bag and everything went smoothly

Victor

I wouldn't check them in. in the hold, they are subject to greater variation in temperature and pressure. Remember CO2 becomes a solid at -78.5C, unlikely, but possible in a high altitude aircraft in a cold part of the world. Admittedly, it is likely to be warmer in the hold than outside, but in a crisis situation, you can't rely on that.

You are allowed small amounts of compressed gas in toiletries in your hand luggage, e.g. deodorant. CO2 would actually be safer than most deodorant sprays.

But really, for a quiet life, buy them at your destination.

blorg

The hold is pressurized and typically not significantly colder than the passenger cabin (certainly never below 0C.) In a crisis you could have the same problems in the cabin.

kenmc

So is there any definitive answer to this one?

Aerlingus website states:

The following prohibited items shall not be placed in checked-in baggage/hold baggage:

* Explosives, including detonators, fuses, grenades, mines and explosives.
* Gases; Propane, butane.
* Flammable liquids, including Gasoline, methanol.
* Flammable solids and reactive substances, including Magnesium, firelighters, fireworks flares.
* Oxidizers and organic peroxides, including Bleach, car body repair kits.
* Toxic or infectious substances, including rat poison, infected blood.
* Radioactive material, including medicinal or commercial isotopes.
* Corrosives, including mercury, vehicle batteries.
* Vehicle fuel system components which have contained fuel.

So it's not prohibited there. In the "Guide to dangerous goods" pdf which is linked on the same page as this, it has the following (extracted from a table with columns and stuff) :

Permitted in or as carry-on baggage : No
Permitted in or as checked baggage : No
Permitted on one's person : No
The approval of the Aer Lingus is required : No
The pilot in command must be informed of the location : No
Non-flammable gas cylinder fitted into a life jacket containing carbon dioxide or other suitable gas in Division 2.2, up to two (2) small cylinders per passenger, and up to two (2) spare cartridges.

So it's not permitted if it's fitted into a lifejacket, but if it's not fitted into a life jacket is it not not permitted, especially as they indicate exact number you are not not allowed carry, or allowed not carry, or not not allowed not carry, or something, and where you must not not not not not not put them?
I'm all confuddled.
Argh

C3PO

Well I know for sure that one of the lads I was travelling to France with last October had his name announced over the PA in Dublin Airport as we were sitting having the brekkie! He was taken to some office where his bike bag was open on the table - they'd X-rayed the bag and seen the CO2 canisters! Gave him a right bollicking and took the Co2!

Never saw the 3 in my normal luggage though!

kenmc

yeah I think I'll "leave" a couple of them on an outside unzipped pocket of my ordinary luggage. maybe in a crappy lidl saddlebag like I forgot. or didn't not remember to take them out. my head hurts

danotroy

any updates on flying with Co2? flying on Tuesday Cork-Bristol

dvntie

danotroy wrote: »

any updates on flying with Co2? flying on Tuesday Cork-Bristol

They'll take it from you in cork has happened to me twice.
On that subject and still can't get my head around it really is as follows
They'll allow 200 odd co2 canisters attached to triggers (aka life jackets under seats) in each plane but they go mental if they see a single canister in your luggage not attached to a trigger
It makes no sense to me whatsoever

danotroy

you seem to know cork airport so I'll ask another question. Can I ride to the airport and get them to wheel my bike onto the plane? or do i need to pack it in a bike box?

dvntie

danotroy wrote: »

you seem to know cork airport so I'll ask another question. Can I ride to the airport and get them to wheel my bike onto the plane? or do i need to pack it in a bike box?

You'll have to pack it
It was the case years ago where you could put a bike straight on but rules have changed no doubt due to the litigious mindset these days.
If you need to see how have a look at this
http://m.bikeradar.com/gear/article/how-to-pack-your-bike-854/

danotroy

dvntie wrote: »

You'll have to pack it
It was the case years ago where you could put a bike straight on but rules have changed no doubt due to the litigious mindset these days.
If you need to see how have a look at this
http://m.bikeradar.com/gear/article/how-to-pack-your-bike-854/

ive flown with bike boxes before just wondering can i wheel up to the airport throw it in a plastic bag and collect it otherside? When i rang aer lingus they said I could do this and that the only place i actually had to have a box was when flying through amsterdam

C3PO

danotroy wrote: »

any updates on flying with Co2? flying on Tuesday Cork-Bristol

It's actually quite simple - CO2 Canisters are specifically prohibited from your luggage when flying and if the officials find them they will confiscate them and could possibly (but unlikely) prosecute you!

07Lapierre

I flew with Aer Lingus to Lyon last July. When I brought my bike box over to the X-ray machine, the operator asked me if i had any CO2 cannisters. I said I had one. He told me "That's fine, every passenger is allowed Two CO2 cannister's in their checkin luggage".

dogsears

danotroy wrote: »

you seem to know cork airport so I'll ask another question. Can I ride to the airport and get them to wheel my bike onto the plane? or do i need to pack it in a bike box?

I've flown out of Cork airport a number of times with a bike not packed in any way. No problems with check in. Tyres deflated, bars rotated and pedals off and they take the bike through the outsize luggage area to the far left of the check in desks. Flying with Aer Lingus each time and the most recent time was last August.