Bunker rakes. Inside or Out?

stumpypeeps

Its a personal gripe being a greenkeeper, I'd just like to know the general consensus, bunker rakes inside or out. As a greenkeeper its just a little easier maintenace wise if their left in but many people drop them outside.

Obviously this is about as interesting as marking your ball but its still a bit of a debatable issue. And since this is the place for it I'd like to know!:o

Jasonw

This is exactly the place for it. And a good topic.

My strongly held belief is that they should be placed inside the bunker on the flat. Preferably pointed back toward the line of play. That way, a ball is more likely to miss the rake and even should a ball come to rest against it there is less of a issue around moving the rake.

Unglika Norse

no question they should be in the bunker it's only idle sods are to lazy to put them back in the bunker, mind you half of them are to idle to properly rake the bunkers after themselves, but they would be the first to crib about the rake if it was outside the bunker their ball hit it and was deflected into the bunker

Kevinmarkham

It often depends on the course/greenkeepers. I've played a lot of early morning rounds when I was the first golfer out, and rakes were in some bunkers and left out of others. My preference is to find the rakes in the bunker - at least then you know your ball ended up there fairly, and not deflected off the rake left outside... actually, my preference is just for people to rake the damn things.

Unglika Norse

Would they possibly be outside of the bunker early in the mornin because of the bunker rake (machine) being used then when the young lad comes around to pull the sand up the sides he puts them back in.

Speak Now

Has to be inside, 99% of balls in bunkers dont come back out so no one can claim a rake as having undue effect on the ball. Left outside it could knock it in or keep it out!

Mister Sifter

I only ever rake bunkers in practice.

Never do it in competition. Don't see the point in giving the rest of the field - my competitors - a nice fluffy lie.

When i do give them a quick scart with the rake (giving my playing partners the impression that i am of course raking my marks) I tend to leave rakes lying with the pole pointing to the centre of the bunker, meaning that if a ball runs in it will run up against the rake at the back of the bunker and hopefully give the person a donwnhill lie.

Whatever it takes.

Dr.Silly

Mister Sifter wrote: »

I only ever rake bunkers in practice.

Never do it in competition. Don't see the point in giving the rest of the field - my competitors - a nice fluffy lie.


Whatever it takes.

are you serious ?

DubGF

I hope not

curly from cork

Mr . Sifter..

( He is not serious guys )

fullstop

I prefrer them out of the bunkers. Used to work on the course as my summer job and always left them to the side of the bunker after raking the bunkers in the mornings...partly so the bunkers looked better without the rake in them and partly so a ball wouldn't stick against them on the slope of the bunker.

Clareman

I played in the UK, can't remember the course, it was near Hatfield, and they had stands for the rakes at every bunker, just a small stand that made sre that everyone knew where to put the rake. Personally I leave it where I found them inside the bunker or if it wasn't inside when I got there I put it as far from where the ball should be coming from

blackwaterfish

i pray for the day i see some lazy/smarta*se toolbag not raking a bunker after use.

tosspots who dont give a fiddlers about anyone elses enjoyment... and apparently theres a lot of them about.

a rake CRAMMED up the buttocks is too light a punishment.

G1032

Jack Nicklaus has rakes with wide teeth in the bunkers of his courses. If raked with these then the result isn't a nice smooth finish but instead it will leave wide channels which the ball can roll into.
He is of the belief that if you are in a hazard then tough luck. Why should you be entitled to a perfect lie from which to hit your next shot??

Anyway for what it's worth I do rake the bunkers............
And I believe rakes should be left in the bunker after use.

blackwaterfish

by the same token.... when you walk into a bunker thats been raked and you leave it unraked... youre gaining an unfair advantage over the next competitor to play a shot from the same location.

i wouldnt mind wide channels at all actually.... as long as the conditions are consistant for all.

Mister Sifter

blackwaterfish wrote: »

by the same token.... when you walk into a bunker thats been raked and you leave it unraked... youre gaining an unfair advantage over the next competitor to play a shot from the same location.

Exactly, you've got to try and gain an advantage on the field in any way possible.

blackwaterfish

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Exactly, you've got to try and gain an advantage on the field in any way possible.

Does this include behaviour of an unashamedly homo-erotic manner?

if so, you clearly want to win more than i ever would... its yours dude... your welcome to it.

stumpypeeps

For me they have got to be in the bunker, surely the rake is part of the hazard and belongs in it. Located as jasonw says, at the back of the bunker on the flat.

What irks me is when they are abandoned outside the bunker.

I don't their are any R & A rules one way or the other?

stebed

Played somewhere once, in the states I think and the rakes went vertically into the ground in a kind of sheath thing so they didn't interfere in the game at all.

getoffthepot

+1 in the bunker.

The rakes in Forrest Little GC have curved handles which mean the handle is off the ground and less likely to stop a ball.

The_Architect

ronaldochokes wrote: »

Jack Nicklaus has rakes with wide teeth in the bunkers of his courses. If raked with these then the result isn't a nice smooth finish but instead it will leave wide channels which the ball can roll into.
He is of the belief that if you are in a hazard then tough luck. Why should you be entitled to a perfect lie from which to hit your next shot??

Now you're on to something. If Nicklaus has started to suggest this at some of his courses (which I don't believe), then he is on the right track in my opinion.

Not a new idea though. The wide channeled rake was invented in the early 1900's at Oakmont. Very difficult to play from these bunkers.

I believe that we should get rid of rakes altogether and play our ball in the bunkers as found. Bunkers are supposed to provide a penalty and courses need to cut down on maintenance costs.

However, from a rules point of view, rakes should be left on the inside of bunkers.

thegen

Has someone registered a second account???????????????????????

GreeBo

Raked as close to the middle/flat part of the bunker, parallel to the line of the hole.

At least 4 times a round I move rakes that people have left perpendicular to the line of play, 6 inches inside the bunker.
I have a name for these people, "idiots".:mad:

Daithio9

thegen wrote: »

Has someone registered a second account???????????????????????

Perhaps one has and one likes to think one has a superior view on all things golf related, maybe.

Daithio9

GreeBo wrote: »

Raked as close to the middle/flat part of the bunker, parallel to the line of the hole.

Oh please, are you always this anal on the golf course.

At least 4 times a round I move rakes that people have left perpendicular to the line of play, 6 inches inside the bunker.
I have a name for these people, "idiots".:mad:

OMFG "perpendicular" you say!, how dare they the little scallywags.

Kace

Rakes should be left in the bunker. Personally I leave the top of the handle resting against the lip of the bunker.

GreeBo

Daithio9 wrote: »

Oh please, are you always this anal on the golf course.

OMFG "perpendicular" you say!, how dare they the little scallywags.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/
:rolleyes:

/edit, so you dont feel too dimwitted let me explain.
The rake should be left parallel to the hole, you dont need to rake in this direction...feel better now?

FortuneChip

What are bunkers?
It's easier off the fairways lads!

Daithio9

GreeBo wrote: »

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/
:rolleyes:

/edit, so you dont feel too dimwitted let me explain.
The rake should be left parallel to the hole, you dont need to rake in this direction...feel better now?

Oh dear someone's sarcasm radar is broken, most probably due to their anal nature.