Original SFIV = GG or BG?

Sisko

Right well as we come to the end of the original Street Fighter 4's domination as the main Street Fighter game, as Super SF4 is around the corner, I think this topic is due its own thread!


So what is the community's opinion of the game that has arguably revitalised the fighting game genre?

Jim

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Well, since its the first FG I've gotten properly into and properly understand, so naturally I like it. Really enjoy playing it. Going back to old games, 3s etc I can see why there's hate. Those games are better imo, but I think the step back SFIV was needed to "save" the genre.

A necessary evil, which I happen to quite enjoy playing.

Sairus

Fantastic addition to the SF series, even if I don't like everything about it. Can't wait for super

I really enjoy it. It totally reinvigerated my love for fighters.
Up till this point I would dip my beak in every fighter around, but I've never come near to dumping the same amount of hours into any other fighter - online play is obviously a massive factor in this.
Possibly this is down to going to the actual meetups with yee fellars, but SFIV is the only fighter where I've actually aspired to get really good at it and not just able to use every character.

Xluna

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

I'm a massive street fighter fan. I personally was'nt a great fan of three. Like some fans of the series I disliked many of the new characters,and I hated 3rd strikes soundtrack. That said I can still appreciate what a great and well crafted game it is. I don't think any fighting game could truly rekindle the "spirit" of the street fighter 2 sub series but SFIV is doing a fine job. JRPGs aside, it's the best game I've played-until tomorrow week.:)

Ramza

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

LOL I'll just type what I typed earlier today

Being an avid follower of FGs, I was disappointed with SFIV, but still enjoyed playing it and obviously I was eager to witness the latest and greatest addition to the SF family

I didn't play it much at all at first but I have kind of given it a second chance, given my first impression of it. I'll be honest and say my impressions haven't changed but I do get a kick out of playing it but I don't take it very seriously

My main qualm with SFIV was that it was boring, very boring. And well there's just not a lot of meat to it, let's be honest. You can survive on ok execuion just fine, and mindgames aren't as intense or at all as mentally demanding as other SF titles. It's way too defensive IMO too, with some chars being either ridiculous or pure arse. There's like 3 or 4 things in SFIV you need good execution for and even at that you barely need/see them

Doctor DooM

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

GG.


If it was 4th strike I wouldn't still be playing it.

I believe it was designed to snare old SF2 players like me so mission accomplished if so.

Dunjohn

Fantastic addition to the SF series, even if I don't like everything about it. Can't wait for super

Yeah, I've been playing fighting games for two decades now, and played some of them to death, but SFIV is the first I've really made an effort to become good at, to learn the really intricate mechanics and not just basic timing and combo stuff. I downloaded SSF2T HD Remix a couple of weeks ago for a laugh, and I revisited SF3 recently too, and the way I played both games now was completely different to how I used to play them. Like parrying. I think I successfully parried more times in a single half hour of SF3 than I had in the entire months when I played it regularly.

It's not the deepest fighter out there, but it's definitely the most accessible, and that shows in how it's managed to sustain popular interest way longer than games in other genres. I've nothing bad to say about it, except that the animated character intros suck. I even like "Indestructible."

...It is safe to admit that now, right?

Sisko

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Now to add stuff from that other thread but as this is on topic now we can get into nitty gritty stuff:

Sisko wrote: »

Sf4 is a damn good game. Yes some people like ST or 3s more but that doesn't take away from the fact that SF4 is still fantastic. Honestly, they could have really made an utter balls of it , things could have gone wrong on so many levels.

I don't think SF4 is perfect , I love 3s and don't think that's perfect either. When it comes down to it, its trendy for some people to say 'SF4 is terrible, but I'll play it cause its the most popular'

It goes with out saying to take that shit with a pinch of salt, cause what they're really saying is "SF4 isn't exactly like [insert fav fighting game] and for that reason I'm not over the moon about it, but I enjoy playing it anyway"

Cause I'll be damned if these people would still actually play it if they hated it and found absolutely no enjoyment from the game, what so ever.

In the end though these people are in the minority and in fact more people who play it think its a good game and play it cause of such, even if they think tis not as good as their fav fighting game.

Ramza wrote: »

For me personally I would take the word fantastic and replace it with ok (for me)

Like in summary, yeah SFIV is a fun game, and I do enjoy playing it, but I was really disappointed with it when it first came out (and still am). I just don't think it's great/brilliant.

When I bougth SFIV on launch day and played it, I thought the same on my first day of playing that I think now. I just didn't like it (that much). I literally put the game down and didn't touch it for months. And I know a logical response would be "don't play it then". I like it enough to play it, like it's fun, but to me its' disappointing, so take from that what you will

Scavenger XIII wrote: »

I'm on Ramzas wavelength here, those are my thoughts on SF4 pretty much down to the letter. It's a third place in my biggest disappointments of all time, behind Brawl and SC4.

It did grow on me a bit and I'll admit that on paper it's technically much more fair than most previous SFs, but it just doesn't do it for me and I only really bother with it because nobody plays much of anything else.

Supers coming out at a good time for me to give it another chance though, besides it's not like everyone else is going to suddenly drop it and start playing games I like better.

D4RK ONION wrote: »

SF4 has introduced me, a person with no drive or love of fighting games, to a new and awesome community of people. I know for a fact I'm not alone in this, so for that alone (ignoring that it's about as solid as a fighting game can get) it should get props, for introducing so many people to the genre.

D4RK ONION wrote: »

it's about as solid as a fighting game can get

Ramza wrote: »

Don't just reply to that with a confused smiley, if you think he's wrong, explain why?

Ramza wrote: »

I honestly think SFIV was/isn't well received, I'm an avid FG fan/player and I think I speak for a majority when I say SFIV is disappointing to avid FG players

I don't think this is the case and I've heard 3s haters say the same thing about 3s , ST players say the same thing about HDR etc etc

Doctor DooM

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Ramza wrote: »

Ok, obviously each their own or whatever but come on, SFIV is a letdown, and you know it is

For you it is, but for me it's a revitalization of SF2, not Super turbo, but the SF2 I loved before everything went to hell in the arcades here.

Is it perfect? No. But it is relatively balanced, to the point where Azza can beat me, I can beat all our local Sagats, etc etc. There's no insurmountable mountains in it, the zoning and mind games are great in it.

Yeah there's silly things in it but it's the first go. But it's not a letdown for me at all. If it was another 3s like game, THEN it would have been a letdown to me, believe it or not.

Sisko

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Ramza wrote: »

LOL I'll just type what I typed earlier today

Being an avid follower of FGs, I was disappointed with SFIV, but still enjoyed playing it and obviously I was eager to witness the latest and greatest addition to the SF family

I didn't play it much at all at first but I have kind of given it a second chance, given my first impression of it. I'll be honest and say my impressions haven't changed but I do get a kick out of playing it but I don't take it very seriously

My main qualm with SFIV was that it was boring, very boring. And well there's just not a lot of meat to it, let's be honest. You can survive on ok execuion just fine, and mindgames aren't as intense or at all as mentally demanding as other SF titles. It's way too defensive IMO too, with some chars being either ridiculous or pure arse. There's like 3 or 4 things in SFIV you need good execution for and even at that you barely need/see them

Ah ****e I hoped to have that stuff pasted from the other thread before you got to reply to save you time. But I see you've elaborated on your opinion anyways which is good. I'd even agree with some of what you say but it certainly doesn't effect my enjoyment of the game as much as it does yours/other peoples.

Doctor DooM

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Ramza wrote: »

Hate is a strong word so I'll just finish by saying I don't think it's great (but **** off if you think it doesn't give me rights to play it), and a lot of people feel the same way. And incase you haven't noticed the scene is pretty small and finely divided so admit it, if you guys were in my shoes you would still play too :pac:

The end

Agree with you completely there, btw.

Ramza

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

I was/am literally confused, I'm bewildered!

What, you think me hating on SFIV has something to do with me playing other games? My dislike for SFIV comes from SFIV itself. If I never touched a FG before then played SFIV I'd still think the same thing. :pac:

But as you know, SF is a series, and series are meant to be evolutionary, well let's just say SFIV is a devolution for me, and well, sorry to say, a LOT of other people feel the same, SFIV is a letdown

Sisko wrote: »

it certainly doesn't effect my enjoyment of the game as much as it does yours/other peoples.

That's good to hear, people have to realise I'm not trying to undermine anyone's opinion or experience of the game, who am I to do that? If you enjoy the game that's great

BanjoB

Doctor DooM wrote: »

GG.


If it was 4th strike I wouldn't still be playing it.

I believe it was designed to snare old SF2 players like me so mission accomplished if so.

My thoughts exactly.

I think it's got the balance to attract new players and there's def enough depth there to keep the fans happy imo. Granted it may be inferior mechanics wise to third strike but as doom said, maybe some people wouldn't be as interested or still playing if it was.

Truly great game for me. It's been virtually the only game spinning in my Xbox for the last year and with super on the horizon, that'll just take it's place.

Red350

Fantastic addition to the SF series, even if I don't like everything about it. Can't wait for super

I only have two issues with this game, shortcuts and auto block. If capcom removed those two things, the game would be perfect in my eyes.

Then again I'm viewing it from the mighty pedestal that is ryu

Sisko

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Ramza wrote: »

That's good to hear, people have to realise I'm not trying to undermine anyone's opinion or experience of the game, who am I to do that? If you enjoy the game that's great

Oh we all do realise that. I made this thread so people can elaborate on why they do or don't like SF4 or what elements etc.

Its all peoples opinions etc etc.

I naturally would like it to move more towards the pace of 3s. I love both games and theres things about 3s I don't like too.

Azza

Remove Guile = perfect game.

Sisko

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Red350 wrote: »

I only have two issues with this game, shortcuts and auto block. If capcom removed those two things, the game would be perfect in my eyes.

Agree with this and a faster pace more fluid movement speed.

Red350

Fantastic addition to the SF series, even if I don't like everything about it. Can't wait for super

Sisko wrote: »

Agree with this and a faster pace more fluid movement speed.

Yea definitely. From the small amount of 3rd strike I've played, the faster speed is definitely what I enjoy most about it.

Azza

SF A3
Pro's
M.Bison is in it. +100 points.
I'm gonna take you for a ride is not in it. +100
Indestructable is not in. +100 points.

Con's
Custom Combo's. -100

ST
Pro's
M.Bison is in it. +100 points
Bison has cape toss intro. +200 points.
It has the little plane the flys between the countries on the character select screen + 3,000.

Con's
Old Sagat.
T.Hawk and T.Hawks stage. -100 points

3rd Strike.
Q is in it. +100 points.

Con's
M.Bison is not in it. -100 points.

Street Fighter 4
M.Bison is in it +100 points.
Safe Scissor Kick + 200 points.
People actually play it. +200 points.

Con's
Guile is in it. -300 points.
Indestructable is in it -400 points.
Lariat is in it -600 points.
Doctor Doom plays Guile in it. -900 points.

UberPrinny_Baal

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

I much prefer HD Remix, because I spent a lot of my childhood kicking around on various versions of SF2 in the arcades/megadrive/snes; and it's kind of like a greatest hits.

My big gripe with SFIV is its "Too many damn buttons" syndrome, and the heavy emphasis on MASSIVE DAMAGE off of one hit.

Sisko

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Wha? doesn't a throw in SF2 rape your life bar? :pac:

bush

Fantastic addition to the SF series, even if I don't like everything about it. Can't wait for super

I love it. Ive only really played sf2 and this. When the arcades died I had no one to play anymore. I had a few sf games and other fighting games over the years but never got into them since playing the single player is ****. People moan about sf4 and its online but its the only reason I got back into it.

Azza

Weird that you find SF 2 better, since everyone has a TOD combo in that game.

Sisko

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Oh indeed, if it wasn't for online play I'd have never realised how deep the game was and how fantastic street fighter is. I never got to experience arcades.

Only single player and my friends. Even though I enjoyed it before I really knew what it was about, it was more about the affection I had for it as a game I liekd when I was a child. If I told my 15 year old self that @ 25, I'd be massively into street fighter, my 15 year old self would be like WTF? A 2D game?

I was clueless until the day I found out how to play 3rd Strike online.

Doctor DooM

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Bush80 wrote: »

I love it. Ive only really played sf2 and this. When the arcades died I had no one to play anymore. I had a few sf games and other fighting games over the years but never got into them since playing the single player is ****. People moan about sf4 and its online but its the only reason I got back into it.

I'm the exact same. I tried quite a few at home but nothing lit the old fire like SF4 did.

Azza wrote: »

Weird that you find SF 2 better, since everyone has a TOD combo in that game.

Yeah but there was no intarwebz so no one knew about them.

Xluna

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Slightly off topic,am I the only person who loved the chain combos,ala Darkstalkers, in SFA 1 and was pissed off them they removed them in Alpha 2 and 3?

Scavenger XIII

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

Bearable, but could and should have been so much more.

Sisko

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Scavenger XIII wrote: »

Bearable, but could and should have been so much more.

Elaborate? What don't you like, what would you want changed to make it .. more bearable?

UberPrinny_Baal

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

Azza wrote: »

Weird that you find SF 2 better, since everyone has a TOD combo in that game.

I think for me it's probably the difference between refining and honing the skills to successfully land and input a TOD combo which seems really difficult; and DP trade -> FADC -> Ultra.

Scavenger XIII

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

Sisko wrote: »

Elaborate?

I would but I'd estimate it's all been said before; annoying shortcuts, ultras too lengthy and poorly balanced against supers (which are next to worthless), not a fan of the focus system or its cancels, hate the overemphasis on learning crazy links... etc.

Oh and they made Guile suck. :pac:

Sisko

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

I agree with some of those things there, cept for the focus system, I love the focus system.


Interesting though that those negative things make the game terrible for some and for others they're just imperfections to a great game.


I look forward to more useful 'supers' in super... Its a pity the character I plan to try and get good with has such an annoyingly long ultra. (Ibuki)

I like the ultra but it in my 3 quick shots of playing as her, I landed the ultra in most rounds and it got old fast!

Doctor DooM

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Scavenger XIII wrote: »

Oh and they made Guile suck. :pac:

Ah you can get by with him with a little work

Ken B

As someone who has literally purchased every Capcom fighter to date(some several times over, in different formats, on JAP/USA import etc....inc. SF1 and SF the movie game) and played almost every fighter(to a decent level) in the arcade....I consider myself to have a fairly valid, unbiased opinion...

My opinion is: SFIV is the best fighting game ever made and easily one of the top ten games of all time.

SFIII and Alpha will perhaps always be my favourites, but IV is the best.

Why? Because it has so many people playing it and striving to achieve a level of excellence that is almost unmatched in other games. Even in the arcade it was difficult to get a match in SFIII, yet if I switch on my XBox, I can play literally hundreds and hundreds of opponents at any given hour, in every corner of the globe.

It's the best...

Ps: Azza: you forgot to mention that Alpha Bison always wore a cape, floated everywhere and shot fireballs. Not to mention posessing the God of all Psycho Crushers in Alpha3! In Zero 3, I had such a dilemma, chosing between himself, Vega and Sodom!!

Scavenger XIII

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

Ken B wrote: »

Because it has so many people playing it and striving to achieve a level of excellence that is almost unmatched in other games. Even in the arcade it was difficult to get a match in SFIII, yet if I switch on my XBox, I can play literally hundreds and hundreds of opponents at any given hour, in every corner of the globe.

Surely that just makes it the most popular fighting game of all.

We all know that correlations between popularity and quality are purely coincidental.

Kirby

Fantastic addition to the SF series, even if I don't like everything about it. Can't wait for super

Scavenger XIII wrote: »

supers (which are next to worthless)

Tell that to any Dhalsim player. His super is brilliant, and it's his best move. Coupled with the fact that he doesn't use much meter and he gets to use it every round.

You see alot of Ryu's use his super aswell to tag neutral jumpers because of its quick startup and recovery.

Point being, some chars had great supers. And they have been buffed in SSF4.

chopperbyrne

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Ramza wrote: »

But as you know, SF is a series, and series are meant to be evolutionary, well let's just say SFIV is a devolution for me, and well, sorry to say, a LOT of other people feel the same, SFIV is a letdown

SF III was a devolution for me. Going from Alpha 2, to SF III was a joke. Can only select one super to use limits you in certain matches and parry was just stupid. Basically removed the defensive game completely, because you could risk stupid jumpins and just parry their anti air.

SF IV is not a letdown to me at all. It is moving the series back in the right direction.

Doctor DooM

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

chopperbyrne wrote: »

SF III was a devolution for me. Going from Alpha 2, to SF III was a joke. Can only select one super to use limits you in certain matches and parry was just stupid. Basically removed the defensive game completely, because you could risk stupid jumpins and just parry their anti air.

SF IV is not a letdown to me at all. It is moving the series back in the right direction.

This'd kinda be my view on it too, articulated better than I could

Ramza

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

chopperbyrne wrote: »

SF III was a devolution for me. Going from Alpha 2, to SF III was a joke. Can only select one super to use limits you in certain matches and parry was just stupid. Basically removed the defensive game completely, because you could risk stupid jumpins and just parry their anti air.

SF IV is not a letdown to me at all. It is moving the series back in the right direction.

I guess Alpha 2 to Alpha 3 can be looked upon as a devolution too, selecting fighting style/grooves, having a guard crush meter also removes aspects of defensive game

Well at least parrying takes a lot of skill where as in alpha you can air block anti airs :pac:

Don't get me wrong I love alpha, A3 being my favourite.

SFIV is way too turtley, you can literally sit on a lead for 90 second of the clock, and just hold downback. It doesn't reward offensive play enough

Creature

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

GG definitely. I think ST will always be my favourite. I played it again yesterday and despite the laggy play it's still as good as it ever was. No matter how old the graphics get the gameplay still feels so crisp and tight. That, and Balrog ****ing owns, his headbutt is godlike. Like others, I don't really rate SF3 but SF4 is definitely a worthy successor to the series IMO.

It's not perfect of course. It loses points because of the small range of charge characters in the game. I'm not too bothered by the defensive nature of the game. With patience I find you can get around most overly defensive players, except for seasoned turtley Guiles, ugh :mad:
Also the soundtrack is shite. Some of the English voice overs are good but the music is totally forgettable and dull. The SF2 and Alpha series had such great music, it's a pity it didn't carry over.

Anyway overall a big thumbs up for SF4 from me. It has great graphics and solid gameplay that provides enough accessibility for newcomers and also enough depth for veterans. Finally revitalised the genre and got everybody interested in fighting games again. It deserves the praise for that alone.

Ramza

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

Creature wrote: »

Anyway overall a big thumbs up for SF4 from me. It has great graphics and solid gameplay that provides enough accessibility for newcomers and also enough depth for veterans. Finally revitalised the genre and got everybody interested in fighting games again. It deserves the praise for that alone.

I agree with you on that point partially, SFIV is fine for new players as there's enough there to get to grips with FGs and the general swing of things, but for returning players or experienced FGers it's lacking a lot. SFIV hasn't a lot of depth to be honest.

What do you mean by getting people back into the genre? AFAIK people who followed SF knew of it/were gonna play it regardless, or do you mean people who played with SF2/previous titles in the day and are now trying to get back into things?

chopperbyrne

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

I fail to see how SF IV has less "depth" than 3S.

You'll have to explain that one.

Ramza

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

How does 3s get brought into it without bringing all the other ones in?

chopperbyrne

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Well you're primarily a 3S player and have already stated that you felt it was an evolution of the series and that SF IV is a devolution.

You then went on to say that SF IV lacks depth, implying that 3S has more depth.

That's why.

Ramza

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Well you're primarily a 3S player and have already stated that you felt it was an evolution of the series and that SF IV is a devolution.

You then went on to say that SF IV lacks depth, implying that 3S has more depth.

That's why.

3s is not my only game but yeah I primarily play 3s

Nah I said SF is supposed to be an evolutionary series, and that I felt SFIV was a devolution (which does imply 3s is more in depth, yes). I think people are relating my love for 3s and dislike for SFIV the wrong way

People need to understand I'm judging SFIV primarily on what it is and what I feel it should/could of been, based on my life exp with FG, not just 3s :pac:

If I only played SF2 (as much as I do) and then played SFIV I'd still think the same, and same can be said for any other game.

Lemme requote

Ramza wrote: »

My main qualm with SFIV was that it was boring, very boring. And well there's just not a lot of meat to it, let's be honest. You can survive on ok execution just fine, and mindgames aren't as intense or at all as mentally demanding as other SF titles. It's way too defensive IMO too, with some chars being either ridiculous or pure arse. There's like 3 or 4 things in SFIV you need good execution for and even at that you barely need/see them

I feel SFIV doesn't have a lot of meat to it. It's all there, don't get me wrong, mixups, mindgames, strats, and the game is fun, to an extent. It's very boring, it's lacking. I get bored after playing for an hour. SFIV is way too defensive. It's unbalanced too, very. There's not much that I can add that I haven't said in the last 3/4 pages in this thread and the other.

Why is 3s more in depth(and probably every other FG bar SFIV)? Well you have more interesting characters and a game that rewards offensive play ; you can actually rushdown in 3s and it has a tri mixup element. Also there is more defensive tools in 3s but it isn't so defensive that you can literally sit in the corner all day for 99 seconds. People think parrying is stupid but parrying isn't as simple as tapping f/d, it's a whole mindgame and tactic in itself. In 3s you learn more in a few hours about footsies than you do in a whole month of playing SFIV.

3s has real option selects

I'll type more later, bored of typing the same thing out 100 times

Yreval

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

It's not perfect, and I'm not sure I'd call it great either, but it gets a GG from me. Like a few others on here I'm not particularly enthused by the game's defensive nature but Super looks like it will be a step in the right direction in that regard, albeit in a less direct way (changes to existing characters and the new characters introduced) than I would have done (game system changes such as better throws).

It deserves credit, in particular, for introducing legions of new players to the fighter scene. By that I mean, in my experience, fighting games in general - or at least other SF games as well as SF4. Towards the end of the second season of our ranking battles up here in Belfast, after SF4 came out, we got some great turnouts in 3S.

Vyze

Yreval wrote: »

Towards the end of the second season of our ranking battles up here in Belfast, after SF4 came out, we got some great turnouts in 3S.

How many of those were people who were introduced to fighters via SF4, compared to people who played 3S and are playing SF4 due to numbers?

Creature

Only alright, I do get some enjoyment, but I MUCH prefer other SF games

Ramza wrote: »

I agree with you on that point partially, SFIV is fine for new players as there's enough there to get to grips with FGs and the general swing of things, but for returning players or experienced FGers it's lacking a lot. SFIV hasn't a lot of depth to be honest.

Ah I think it does to be fair. The complex link combos are quite hard to pull of regularly and take a lot of practice. They're definitely something that require you to put a lot of time into the game to see the benefits. I also think that there's depth to the focus system. Aside from the odd FADC ultra it's rarely something I see get used online but it's clearly an integral part of the really good player's games.

What do you mean by getting people back into the genre? AFAIK people who followed SF knew of it/were gonna play it regardless, or do you mean people who played with SF2/previous titles in the day and are now trying to get back into things?[/QUOTE]

Well obviously those who follow fighting games generally and the types who populate GGPO and 2DF were counting down the days till SF4. I meant the ones who would have liked SF2 or some other fighting games in the past but never have progressed much further. But also the proles who have never even looked at a fighting game beyond their beloved FIFA or Halo.

Ramza

Terribly made game , everything about it is awful so I don't play it all.

SFIV is so focused on links it's retarded. You can no longer do combos off of rapid fire normals now, you have to link them (or at least the last one). Most of big damage in the game comes from pretty tight links. You have to link to specials too (like I said before), for some reason. Links are cool and all but when it boils down to 90% of the game/damage it's a bit much.

You really need to train to do the tight links which the majority are to an extent) and I don't think there should of been so much emphasis on it. It means in order to really get into the game you need to have good execution