Olympic 400m champion LaShawn Merritt fails doping test and accepts provisional suspe

MacSwifty

More bad news!!

Just breaking on the BBC

shels4ever

MacSwifty wrote: »

More bad news!!

Just breaking on the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8638727.stm

use of an over-the-counter male enhancement product".

Whf??

MacSwifty

shels4ever wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8638727.stm



Whf??

" he admitted he had made a "foolish, immature and egotistical mistake".

and then some................

Two years

Sosa

MacSwifty wrote: »

" he admitted he had made a "foolish, immature and egotistical mistake".

and then some................

Two years

Fcuking idiot.....male enhancement drugs...i have heard it all now.
They should just take all those medals off him straight away.

misty floyd

what a dick :eek: I mean :mad:

myflipflops

Sosa wrote: »

They should just take all those medals off him straight away.

I don't think they can. The failed test were in the last 6 months.

I'm going to wait to hear more about this to make up my mind. Just a terrible story to come out though.

RealistSpy

DHEA? is that not an anti aging drug?

notsofast

did a quick google.

"DHEA or Dehydroepiandrosterone is reputed to have an anti-aging effect."

but

"DHEA or Dehydroepiandrosterone can accentuate the effects of male and female hormones. "

don't know what that means exactly !!!

MrCreosote

OMG!! Top Sprinter in Doping Shock!

What a surprise.

The only interesting bit will be the excuses.

TheRoadRunner

MrCreosote wrote: »

The only interesting bit will be the excuses.

Yep the excuses are always very imaginative. I'm sorry either he is taking this on purpose or is the biggest moron on the planet. I'm sure clean Olympic gold medalist have never ingested anything before checking with their team doctor first. Either way I just don't care anymore.

MrCreosote

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

Either way I just don't care anymore.

I used to feel like that, especially for cycling. I started to look at it like a WWF smackdown type sport and have got back into it. Once you accept they're all juiced to their eyeballs it gets (sort of) interesting again.

And the whole dodgy european docs, sinister labs, stored blood, clinking amps of EPO, hotels running out of ice to cool the drugs, nighttime raids, ridiculous excuses/grovelling apologies of those caught, sanctimonious attitudes of the "clean" athletes all add a new level of interest.

And the best bit- two years isn't too long! He'll be back for London rehabilitated and ready to prove the doubters wrong!

ManFromAtlantis

misty floyd wrote: »

what a dick :eek: I mean :mad:

thats funny

Clum

Good article in Washington Post.

Failed 3 tests since last October.

The excuse: His statement claimed the use of the over-the-counter product was "completely unrelated to athletics, and occurred at a time that he was neither seriously training nor competing."

Hopefully he'll be stripped of the World Title he got last summer, whatever about the Olympic gold from 08.

shels4ever

MrCreosote wrote: »

I used to feel like that, especially for cycling. I started to look at it like a WWF smackdown type sport and have got back into it. Once you accept they're all juiced to their eyeballs it gets (sort of) interesting again.

And the whole dodgy european docs, sinister labs, stored blood, clinking amps of EPO, hotels running out of ice to cool the drugs, nighttime raids, ridiculous excuses/grovelling apologies of those caught, sanctimonious attitudes of the "clean" athletes all add a new level of interest.

And the best bit- two years isn't too long! He'll be back for London rehabilitated and ready to prove the doubters wrong!

What a horrible way to think... if thats the case we all might as well stop running.... either that or start banging up on epo for the next 5k around the streets of dublin.. sure everyone is doing it so its ok... bollox.

bollox not directed at you but at the whole thing....

MrCreosote

shels4ever wrote: »

What a horrible way to think... if thats the case we all might as well stop running.... either that or start banging up on epo for the next 5k around the streets of dublin.. sure everyone is doing it so its ok... bollox.

Not at all- for me taking part in a sport at an amateur level and watching professional sports are two completely different things.

What I said above was mostly about cycling- anybody who thinks the institutionalised doping of the 90s has improved in any way is dreaming. Still I watched plenty of cycling on the telly last year.

Personally I'd say pro athletics has plenty of doping too, maybe not quite on the same level as pro cycling. Doesn't stop me going for a run myself, or enjoying it when I do. Then again I'll be comparing my 5k with my own time from 2 months before, rather than racing for a podium place on the day.

shels4ever

MrCreosote wrote: »

Not at all- for me taking part in a sport at an amateur level and watching professional sports are two completely different things.

What I said above was mostly about cycling- anybody who thinks the institutionalised doping of the 90s has improved in any way is dreaming. Still I watched plenty of cycling on the telly last year.

Personally I'd say pro athletics has plenty of doping too, maybe not quite on the same level as pro cycling. Doesn't stop me going for a run myself, or enjoying it when I do. Then again I'll be comparing my 5k with my own time from 2 months before, rather than racing for a podium place on the day.

Yes there is lots of doing in athletics but doesnt mean we should ever accept it. When the sport goes from running as fast as you can to , earning as much € as you can thats where the problems are.
With your 5k times maybe you could take another few mins off with some epo sure everyone at the top does it so your times arent real unless you do it.

MrCreosote

shels4ever wrote: »

When the sport goes from running as fast as you can to , earning as much € as you can thats where the problems are.

Totally agree with that. The fundamental problem is always the money.

gerard65

MrCreosote wrote: »

Totally agree with that. The fundamental problem is always the money.

Problem with that arguement is cheating was around long before money was involved in sport. Its human nature to look for an edge and for many that can mean going outside the rules, happens in all aspects of human life, sport, worklife, homelife. We're a flawed species and cheating is part of our character, for some more than others. A way to control it is to make the punishment so tough as to mininise the temptation to cheat. Unfortuantly the punishment for drugs cheats is so light thats for many its worth taking the chance. If your caught and proven to have cheated your out for life - may make some think, and that includes coachs.

Pisco Sour

Whats with all this negativity?! As I recall Michael Johnson saying a few years ago, its a GOOD thing for the sport when somebody gets found out as it means a cheat has been caught and the drug testing is working.

Seriously its not a bad thing for the sport to see people like this get busted. If it was such a bad thing then sure we might aswell scrap drug testing and turn a blind eye to it like they do in Rugby, Football, Baseball and American Football. Dont test anybody and then you have no failed tests, hence no bad publicity. That what other sports do.

EDIT: David Gillick should get promoted to 5th in last years World Championships.

ss43

04072511 wrote: »

Whats with all this negativity?! As I recall Michael Johnson saying a few years ago, its a GOOD thing for the sport when somebody gets found out as it means a cheat has been caught and the drug testing is working.

Seriously its not a bad thing for the sport to see people like this get busted. If it was such a bad thing then sure we might aswell scrap drug testing and turn a blind eye to it like they do in Rugby, Football, Baseball and American Football. Dont test anybody and then you have no failed tests, hence no bad publicity. That what other sports do.

EDIT: David Gillick should get promoted to 5th in last years World Championships.

Quite simply, it's a bad thing for the sport for one of it's champions to be have been caught. Just cos it's worse for someone to cheat and get away it doesn't mean it's not bad that he's cheating in the first place.
In what way is football worse than athletics for drugs and turning a blind eye to it?

Pisco Sour

ss43 wrote: »

Quite simply, it's a bad thing for the sport for one of it's champions to be have been caught. Just cos it's worse for someone to cheat and get away it doesn't mean it's not bad that he's cheating in the first place.
In what way is football worse than athletics for drugs and turning a blind eye to it?

There are drugs in all sports. The reason it appears to the general public that there are more in Athletics is due to a far superior anti-doping system to other sports (with the exception of Cycling). As a result more people are going to be caught. Its plain common sense. I guarantee you there would be as many drug cheats exposed in Football and Rugby if they had proper anti-doping systems in place. The testing in these sports is very lax. I've read stories about premiership players going years without being tested. In addition the Juventus team that won the Champions League in 1996 and the Marseilles team that won the same competition in 1993 were both doped unknown to the players. This is well documented, and in a way is not very different to what was going on in East Germany. A Milan player from their 1969 European Cup team came out recently exposing the mass doping that was going on at the club at that time. Players were being given things that they didnt know what they were taking.

http://www.ergogenics.org/voetbal3.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...icle396203.ece

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/featu...ilandrugs.html

Its utterly ridiculous that people think people are more inclined to cheat in Athletics, and less inclined to in football, as if to say that footballers are a more honest lot, and that all the dishonest people of the world congregate in Athletics, Cyling, Swimming etc. Pure nonsense. There are dishonest people everywhere, in all walks of life, and it is human nature to try take a short cut. A footballer is no less likely to cheat than an Athlete!

ss43

04072511 wrote: »

There are drugs in all sports. The reason it appears to the general public that there are more in Athletics is due to a far superior anti-doping system to other sports (with the exception of Cycling). As a result more people are going to be caught. Its plain common sense. I guarantee you there would be as many drug cheats exposed in Football and Rugby if they had proper anti-doping systems in place. The testing in these sports is very lax. I've read stories about premiership players going years without being tested. In addition the Juventus team that won the Champions League in 1996 and the Marseilles team that won the same competition in 1993 were both doped unknown to the players. This is well documented, and in a way is not very different to what was going on in East Germany. A Milan player from their 1969 European Cup team came out recently exposing the mass doping that was going on at the club at that time. Players were being given things that they didnt know what they were taking.

http://www.ergogenics.org/voetbal3.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...icle396203.ece

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/featu...ilandrugs.html

Its utterly ridiculous that people think people are more inclined to cheat in Athletics, and less inclined to in football, as if to say that footballers are a more honest lot, and that all the dishonest people of the world congregate in Athletics, Cyling, Swimming etc. Pure nonsense. There are dishonest people everywhere, in all walks of life, and it is human nature to try take a short cut. A footballer is no less likely to cheat than an Athlete!

I've heard the stories of teams giving their players drugs. I've heard it happened in athletics also. It came out in the last few years that there was a massive cover up of drug cheats in the USA also so I don't see how you can say football is worse than athletics. The benefit of drugs in football is minimal in comparison to athletics. Therefore the use of drugs is also likely to be much less.

shels4ever

ss43 wrote: »

I've heard the stories of teams giving their players drugs. I've heard it happened in athletics also. It came out in the last few years that there was a massive cover up of drug cheats in the USA also so I don't see how you can say football is worse than athletics. The benefit of drugs in football is minimal in comparison to athletics. Therefore the use of drugs is also likely to be much less.

Your logic is a bit off there, might bea case that the use of drugs in football doen't change results as much, but their is a lot more to gain for players in regards making teams etc $$$$$

RoyMcC

shels4ever wrote: »

Your logic is a bit off there, might bea case that the use of drugs in football doen't change results as much, but their is a lot more to gain for players in regards making teams etc $$$$$

Only that football, golf and many other sports rely less on physical excellence and more on high skills, which generally aren't assisted with medical supplements.

Pisco Sour

ss43 wrote: »

I've heard the stories of teams giving their players drugs. I've heard it happened in athletics also. It came out in the last few years that there was a massive cover up of drug cheats in the USA also so I don't see how you can say football is worse than athletics. The benefit of drugs in football is minimal in comparison to athletics. Therefore the use of drugs is also likely to be much less.

I disagree. Yes football is a more skillfull sport. No drugs could turn a Kevin Kilbane into a Diego Maradona or a Messi. HOWEVER, drugs help players in other ways. Drugs prevent players from tireing late on in games. When other players are out on their feet, the guy on drugs is still bursting with energy. This is performance enhancing.

Also drugs allow players to recover from injuries quicker. Again this is cheating.

Make no mistake drugs help in football.

DangerMouse27

Back to topic


Im glad that the mainstream media arent bleating over this as much coz athletics isnt high on the agenda at the mo...id be devestated if Wariner was guilty..im prepared for the Usain Bolt inevitable positives.

I cant believe Merrit got caught..he must have been totally dense

Jam400

Did anyone see Gillicks take on merrits positive test. Interesting

http://www.davidgillick.com/blog/Merritt-tests-positive.html

jinka

What was Paddy Kennys excuse?