New 2011 Touareg

Matt Simis

Dont think it was posted here:

- All new, lighter and sportier body.
- 20% fuel economy increase on average over old model
- true low-range gearbox, locking center and rear diffs, electronically adjustable ride height, variable rate shock absorbers etc
- All engines mated to new AL1000 eight-speed torque converter automatic transmission.
- Bunch of engines, the most interesting two:

New 4.2 V8 TDI

In Europe, the V10 TDI has been replaced by a 4.2-liter V8 TDI with 335 hp and a whopping 590 lb.ft. of torque. The V8 TDI gives nearly all the same power advantages of the outgoing V10 TDI but in a package that meets strict European EU5 emissions and boasts improved economy. "

New 3.0V6 Supercharged (from Audi S4) plus 51hp Electric Engine

The hybrid module is integrated between a supercharged 328-hp 3.0-liter V6 gasoline engine and the new eight-speed automatic transmission. The system integrates a dry clutch mechanism as well as a 51-hp electric motor to boost the supercharged V6, which is borrowed from Audi’s S4.

More info and photos here:
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/vortex_news/article_2714.shtml

Aside from the anti 4x4 thing, I think its a great sounding all rounder.

colm_mcm

is this VW's first production hybrid then?

Marty McFly

Looking sweet, probably the best looking jeep around. The Q7,s a big lump, the X5 and land rover are starting to look a bit dated to i think.

Still wouldnt drive a jeep though i dont live on a farm and dont do any off roading so dont see the point.

Eric Cartman

now the real question is for ireland, which one will be more popular (the 3.0 v6 hybrid (cheaper tax, cheaper vrt) or the diesel (better fuel economy(assuming))

Matt Simis

colm_mcm wrote: »

is this VW's first production hybrid then?

Think so, its again a shared platform and engine with the new Porsche Cayenne Hybrid too.

Henry Ford III

A simple oil change on the old TDI was cruelly expensive. Bath loads of seriously lube. I wonder has this improved?

R.O.R

I scanned the article but couldn't find any mention of CO2 emissions. Unless the diesel option can get in to the €630 a year bracket, it's just going to die on it's arse.

The 3.0Tdi Q7 meets EU5 emission standards, but still costs €2,100 a year to tax - consequently, very few (if any this year?) are being sold. It's a similar story with the other SUV's.

Matt Simis

R.O.R wrote: »

I scanned the article but couldn't find any mention of CO2 emissions. Unless the diesel option can get in to the €630 a year bracket, it's just going to die on it's arse.

The 3.0Tdi Q7 meets EU5 emission standards, but still costs €2,100 a year to tax - consequently, very few (if any this year?) are being sold. It's a similar story with the other SUV's.

Afaik the baby 3.0l Diesel in the new Touareg is the same as the Porsche Cayenne diesel (236bhp, 400ft/lb / 550nm torque). It emits 244g/km CO2, making it 2nd worst in several countries, but the worst rating here (EUR2.1k).
http://www.insideline.com/porsche/cayenne/2010/2010-porsche-cayenne-diesel-30-tdi-first-drive.html

Aside from initial cost, it would seem kinda dumb to choose the 3.0 over that even newer 4.2 TDI engine, they both are taxed the same and cant be too big a difference in MPG.

EDIT: See Zondas posts, presumably the VW will use the Audi Clean TDI engine, not the Cayenne one then.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

A simple oil change on the old TDI was cruelly expensive. Bath loads of seriously lube. I wonder has this improved?

Thats par for the course with high end Diesels;

V10 Touareg and Phaeton : 13litres
BMW 535d : 8.8litres
etc

Zonda999

R.O.R wrote: »

I scanned the article but couldn't find any mention of CO2 emissions. Unless the diesel option can get in to the €630 a year bracket, it's just going to die on it's arse.

The 3.0Tdi Q7 meets EU5 emission standards, but still costs €2,100 a year to tax - consequently, very few (if any this year?) are being sold. It's a similar story with the other SUV's.

Not any more, see here

They've managed to get it down to 195g/km of co2, which should mean €1000 road tax, less than it ever would have been under the old system, only 5g away from €630 road tax too, which is a shame

38.2mpga and a 0-100km/h time of 7.9 seconds sounds fairly alright for a car of this type too i would have thought..

http://www.netcarshow.com/volkswagen/2011-touareg/

Judging from there, the Co2 of the 3.0 TDI should also be around 194g

That new touareg does'nt seem all that interesting tbh, pricing and co2 will be the key i guess..

R.O.R

Zonda999 wrote: »

Not any more, see here

They've managed to get it down to 195g/km of co2, which should mean €1000 road tax, less than it ever would have been under the old system, only 5g away from €630 road tax too, which is a shame

38.2mpga and a 0-100km/h time of 7.9 seconds sounds fairly alright for a car of this type too i would have thought..

That new touareg does'nt seem all that interesting tbh, pricing and co2 will be the key i guess..

Jeez that's a big drop in emissions. If the price comes down (are you listening Audi?) then it might bring it back in to "expensive" category rather than just plain ridiculous.

Have an XC90 downstairs because someone has 4 kids and lives in the wilds of Donegal, so there are some people with a requirement for that type of car but the XC90 is really showing it's age on the interior now.

Berty

As soon as I opened the thread I saw a big fat VW Polo.

Big work horse of Irish culture driven by people who do not need a big work horse.

Sales on this will be slim.

I like it, looks well. I do like the big suv's in general though, unlike a lot of people.

gears

I can't see a 3.0L V6 being the base model here. I think it's likely that the new Touareg will probably have the 2.0L diesel thats in the new pick-up the Amarok which comes in 161bhp or 120bhp models. This should give lower emissions and bring back some buyers with the lower tax.

fricatus

Does it come with that cloaking device that it allows it to appear from out of nowhere, two feet from the bumper of the car in front, with its headlights flashing? The old model had that.

And the special Touareg cruise-control feature? 200 km/h in the outside lane of the motorway... does it have that too?

Anan1

fricatus wrote: »

Does it come with that cloaking device that it allows it to appear from out of nowhere, two feet from the bumper of the car in front, with its headlights flashing? The old model had that.

Appear out of nowhere, eh? That only works when the car in front has no mirrors.;)

R.O.R

It really would be hard to miss one of those things coming up behind you. It's only when you park it next to a car that you realise just how mahoosive they are.

Mr.David

Yawn!

So boring and dull really.....why would you spend all that cash on a Toureg?

Hopefully it is better to drive than the original which was pretty piss poor really.

Matt Simis

gears wrote: »

I can't see a 3.0L V6 being the base model here. I think it's likely that the new Touareg will probably have the 2.0L diesel thats in the new pick-up the Amarok which comes in 161bhp or 120bhp models. This should give lower emissions and bring back some buyers with the lower tax.

Why? The 1st Gen had a 2.5l base model. With the C02 Emission Tax, there is no need to think in cubic capacity terms at all.
The Amarok is a much smaller vehicle, putting a 2.0l in a Touareg would be horrendous.

Ill always have eyes for ye olde V10 Touareg though.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw1tZIreCTk

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Re youtube video....


Meah...

Matt Simis

Mckenna Miniature Lightning wrote: »

Re youtube video....


Meah...

Well, maybe the videos dont do it justice (or do, never tried the Touareg incarnation of the V10), but its still very very different to the run of the mill 2.5TDI. In a world where you had to have a 4x4, mine would be the top end one. Aside from the Q7's, is there a faster diesel 4x4?

Great spec and undervalued too (depreciation).

unkel

I think that youtube vid is quite impressive. Did you see how wet it is? The benefits of a lot of rubber, 4 driven wheels and massive turbodiesel torque seem to catapult the car off the line. I wouldn't be surprised if an M5 would have been slower than that in those circumstances.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

An M5 would not have had to stop accelerating after 20 yards cause it ran out of revs. All large diesels accelerate off the line like that, even a X5 3.0d twin turbo would be as fast.

Matt Simis

Mckenna Miniature Lightning wrote: »

An M5 would not have had to stop accelerating after 20 yards cause it ran out of revs. All large diesels accelerate off the line like that, even a X5 3.0d twin turbo would be as fast.

Your turning this into a Diesel vs Petrol thing now. I had that engine and it doesnt "stop accelerating", obviously it gets slower, but its still a 300bhp plus unit. My 850CSi has more Torque than an E60 M5 and it couldnt accelerate that fast, it would wheelspin all over the shop.

Here, 0-200 and dry launch demo of the Touareg V10. The V8 4.2 TDI in the Touareg2 will be even faster:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwmKLsUndTA

Also, there is no freaken way an X5 3.0d is that fast, Ive compared the V10 Phaeton and the 535d side by side and they are night and day. The VAG unit is a powerhouse.

unkel

That's a remarkable acceleration function. 0-80km/h is extremely impressive. Then the acceleration slows and there really is a long slow struggle from 100km/h upwards. I guess that's the bad aerodynamics of a SUV at work.

535d is quicker than a V10 Phaeton TDI 5l though, but not that much. That's surprising enough as the V10 has only a little more power (but lots more torque) but the latter weighs nearly 50% more :eek:

Matt Simis

unkel wrote: »

535d is quicker than a V10 Phaeton TDI 5l though, but not that much. That's surprising enough as the V10 has only a little more power (but lots more torque) but the latter weighs nearly 50% more :eek:

I didnt find it quicker, as I said I had access to both!
260 vs 313 bhp and as you said a huge torque difference (which IMO removes the weight difference in straight lines). However the 535d would be the faster car on anything bar the motorway.

Also that video was in Drive mode, not Sport for some reason.


Besides, the question was on fast Diesel 4x4s, what else is out there? Maybe the new X6 35d Im thinking.

unkel

Matt Simis wrote: »

260 vs 313 bhp

I thought the 535d has 286BHP?

Anyway even at 260, the Phaeton has 20% more power and 45% more weight. Something's gotta give although off the line no doubt 4WD helps alot

Matt Simis

unkel wrote: »

I thought the 535d has 286BHP?

Anyway even at 260, the Phaeton has 20% more power and 45% more weight. Something's gotta give although off the line no doubt 4WD helps alot

The one I tried the was the pre-LCI, 268bhp model.
My V10 was eventually remapped to 350bhp, which the DMS map on the 535d can achieve too, in which case there would be no question.
The V10 lump though is great, the weight of the car was primarily due to the construction materials.

Maybe the V10 makes a better case in a 4x4, pulling power plus something to help against the un-aerodynamicness.

conneem-TT

unkel wrote: »

That's a remarkable acceleration function. 0-80km/h is extremely impressive. Then the acceleration slows and there really is a long slow struggle from 100km/h upwards. I guess that's the bad aerodynamics of a SUV at work.

The scale on the speedometer changes by a factor of 2 after 80km/h :rolleyes:

unkel

conneem-TT wrote: »

The scale on the speedometer changes by a factor of 2 after 80km/h :rolleyes:

Ha! I didn't spot that