Shipping A Shotgun From Ireland to the US

DonegalEdd

I have applied for and received my Removal Order from the Garda, an Export Permit from Ireland and my Import Permit to the US.

My problem now is finding a shipper, anyone have any ideas on who will ship a Shotgun from Ireland to the United States.

IrishShipping

HIya,

did this a while back for a client (I am from a shipping company) and I found that the only practical way of sending this is via Airfreight. Do you want to PM me the info and i will investigate for you

gunhappy_ie

You acually have the hard work done, its now a matter of ringing around to find who will take it ... Air Freight is the only way to go !

Bananaman

If you are going to the States with an IATA carrier can you not just bring it as Checked in Luggage (declared as a firearm of course) ?

B'Man

freddieot

Don't bring it on any flight to the US, especially New York unless you have the necessary US Permits.

An import licence is just that - it's not a US firearms cert.

Bananaman

Does it make any sense to get such a permit and just bring it with you or is too many hoops to jump through to be bothered?

I've only brought firearms around the EU with me which was a cinch so I may be spoiled

B'Man

freddieot

Easier just to get it shipped. Paperwork breeds paperwork..

Johnny_Coyle

What's stopping a yank from a gun friendly state just walking it back in?

THey have the right to keep and bear arms. Also, many states do not require registration or paperwork of any kind for private sales of long guns.

Do you know anyone state side in a gun friendly state?

Put them on your license and they can take it out. Then just sell the gun to them to make it legal for one euro...

freddieot

What's stopping them, let's say in New York airports is the Sullivan Law = lose the firearm and get arrested.

Elsewhere, probably varies from state to State.

All I'm saying is that it's not as simple, even for a yank, as putting it in hold luggage and working it out on arrival. An import document is not a US Permit to own a firearm. It's basically a customs import document.

If it was me I would check with DHS rather than taking advice here and ending up in an orange tracksuit

Bananaman

Nobody is suggesting any form of skulduggery or 'sorting it out when you get there)

All I suggested is that the OP bring his firearm with him rather that shipping it seperately - anybody travelling to a competition would do the same

on the question of what paperwork is required - I am sure a quick call to the US embassy to enquire as to the best course of action is the way to go

they will explain what permits are required based on where the OP is flying into, where they will be travelling to after that (permits may be needed if transitting inter state) etc.

This is no different that thavelling around Europe where some countries (Ireland & UK) will recognize the European Firearms cert but will not accept it - you simply identify the requirements and meet
them - no biggie

B'Man

Grizzly 45

from the gunbroker website.After that try the bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco,firearms and explosives [www.batfe.com]
Simplest way is get a dealer to ship to a FFL dealer in the US.

Importing Firearms into the US

If you live outside the US and wish to sell an item on GunBroker.com to a US resident, the item will need to be legally imported into the US. Any Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder can import a firearm for personal use or on behalf of an unlicensed person by filling out the proper paperwork. According to the ATF:
(L1) May a licensed dealer who does not have an importer's license make an occasional importation?
Yes. A licensee may make an occasional importation of a firearm for a nonlicensee or for the licensee's personal use (not for resale). The licensee must first submit a ATF Form 6, Part I to the Imports Branch for approval. The licensee may then present the approved Form 6 and completed ATF Form 6A to the U.S. Customs Service. Contact the Bureau of ATF, Imports Branch, Washington, DC 20226, (202) 927-8320 for forms.
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If the item is not a firearm (such as scopes, holsters, etc.) then the item can be sent into the US without any special importation procedure other than filling out a standard US Customs form.
There is a great deal of additional information on the ATF web site.

cruisedub1

Why are you importing a shotgun into the U.S.A. why not just buy one here .

Johnny_Coyle

Freddie,
We are talking about a long gun here, the Act you mentioned is for a hand gun - that's where problems in the North East come in at airports. Handguns and concealed carry are a whole other ball game.

Peaceable journey applies to yanks, especially wrt long guns. You are allowed peaceable journey from pt A to pt B anywhere in the US as long as you are legal to own the firearm at both locations.

Exceptions will come in when you are carrying concealed and/or handguns, but that's not the case.

Unlike us, we HAVE to show a NEED for a gun, self defense is excluded as the Gardai will protect us!!!

In the US, the cops are NOT there to protect you the individual: they are there to keep the peace in general. When bad things happen like: Columbine, LA Riots, Katrina - cops abandon their post and may NOT be sued if a yank is personally injured. The SCOTUS has ruled on this.

There was a case where a woman was kidnapped and the cops were told it was inevitable. In fact, as it was happening, they were called and it took them an hour to show up. Later, the woman is found dead and Mom sues saying you failed to protect HER and that's your job. Wrong, cops win. We are there to keep the peace in general, not to be your body guard.

Yanks have the RIGHT to have guns - no "need" required.

Most states do NOT have compulsory long gun registration. In most states in the US you could not walk down to the police station and register a gun. They'd ask why and then tell you there's no such form.

Sooooooo, to get the gun out of Eire you first face the Irish lady at the desk She will want paperwork to get it out of Eire. You better have something to please her: permit, export. After that, she doesn't care if you get locked up or if you have all your details in place for the yanks.

Next, the yanks will pre-clear you Shannon side. The TSA will not quiz you on paper work, they want safety. If you tell customs that you are bringing it in, then, yep, you better have an import license.

If it IS your gun (bought in the US), then I would suggest some form of paperwork - customs will be gunning for paperwork, pardon the pun, as they want money$$$$$

However, if for example, this gun was imported into Eire years ago and now needs to go back to the factory to get fixed, yes, you can bring it along with you. Especially, if you were the original owner.

HOWEVER, if you arrive at the customs desk to preclear with a burgundy passport, I think you have a problem. Not a citizen = problem.