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Did you hear about the lad who wore a hurley off the ref at the weekend

  • 20-04-2010 3:32pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFAyMZWn9Mo


    Tuesday April 20 2010

    Veteran referee Willie Barrett has vowed not to be deterred by the vicious attack on him by a hurley-wielding supporter that forced him to abandon a South Tipperary championship match over the weekend.
    Barrett, who suffered blows from the hurl to the back, hip and hand during the frenzied attack, is adamant he will be back on the field within a week. Twice an All-Ireland final referee, Barrett, who stepped down from inter-county duties in 2004, said he had been heartened by the calls of support he had received since the incident on Saturday night.
    Match officials and officials from the South Tipperary Board, who hope to wrap up their investigation into the incident by tomorrow, are satisfied that the attack was alcohol-fuelled, a disturbing development for the GAA.
    Barrett was refereeing the South Tipperary SHC match between Carrick Davin and Ballingarry when he was confronted by the supporter, with links to Carrick Davin, 10 minutes into the second half.
    His linesman, Keith O'Brien, had already restrained at least one other 'supporter' who had made his way out on to the field as he was about to send off a Ballingarry player. Carrick had already been reduced to 13 men when the incident with the hurl occurred.
    Barrett was so badly shaken that he had to be helped from the field by officials from the local Kilsheelan club. The Kilsheelan ground is, like many others in South Tipperary, not fenced off and access for the supporter who attacked Barrett was easy.
    Barrett admitted he never had to abandon a match in 33 years of refereeing, saying he thought about his future strongly after the game.
    "The support I've had is incredible. It has heartened me. I won't let it deter me. I'm sore alright. I got a blow to the back and the hand and I know that the people of Carrick Davin were disgusted by it," said Barrett. "Nothing like this has happened to me before but you would wonder about the levels of respect towards a referee after it."
    On local radio yesterday, a Davins club official stated the spectator who allegedly assaulted Willie Barrett with a hurl was not a paid up club member.
    The South Tipp Board knows the identity of the assailant and the matter is in the hands of local gardai. In the meantime the South Board was due to meet last night again as their investigation into the incident continued.
    South Board chairman Dick Egan gave the time-frame yesterday for the conclusion of the investigation.
    "Certain things have to be checked out but we hope to have this done and dusted by Wednesday," he said. "We have to establish the assailant's name officially -- we have it unofficially."
    - Colm Keys
    Irish Independent
    http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/hurleyattack-victim-barrett-insists-final-whistle-not-yet-blown-on-career-2143846.html





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    The person should go to prison for that,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭UpTheSlashers


    Prison and a life ban from attending and playing gaa, disgraceful, there are nice people in carrick, but I'm not surprised it was someone from there who did this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭tippspur


    pure tramp for doing a thin like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    From looking at that clip and its only a clip, it seems that the 'supporter' didn't come down from the crowd as he was on the sideline - wearing a tracksuit, possibly football boots on him and with a hurl in his hand.

    He mightn't be a paid up member of the club (which means nothing) but he appears to have been on the sideline and it appears that no one went up to him from his club as he walked back off the pitch and melted into the crowd.

    Lifetime ban for him and the club too if he was on the sideline in my opinion. If he had drink taken why leave him into the sideline? Its about time the GAA came down heavy on people for this nonsense.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Who'd be a ref?
    I've thought about becoming a ref myself but things like this really deter me. Seriously hope that guy gets sent to prison for that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    chinguetti wrote: »
    Lifetime ban for him and the club too if he was on the sideline in my opinion. If he had drink taken why leave him into the sideline? Its about time the GAA came down heavy on people for this nonsense.

    Would be a bit harsh to ban the club for life don't you think? According to the report there is no fence/barrier at this ground so access in from the sideline is easy. We don't know yet who this guy is. Is he officially involved with the club or just some random idiot? Wait and see before making hasty judgements.

    I do hope the guy gets charged with assault for that though, but it may depend whether the ref in question wants to press charges.

    I also think he deserves a long ban from anything GAA related.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,460 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    If a English football supporter did that we be harping on about those "scum" like no tomorrow.

    Ban this fecker for life. No sympathy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭JamieK


    Okay just getting it out there first...I'm a player and avid follower of the Rivals of the Davin Club...Carrick Swans...so if I was to be biased in anyway...it would be against the Davins! :p
    chinguetti wrote: »
    From looking at that clip and its only a clip, it seems that the 'supporter' didn't come down from the crowd as he was on the sideline - wearing a tracksuit, possibly football boots on him and with a hurl in his hand.

    He mightn't be a paid up member of the club (which means nothing) but he appears to have been on the sideline and it appears that no one went up to him from his club as he walked back off the pitch and melted into the crowd.

    Lifetime ban for him and the club too if he was on the sideline in my opinion. If he had drink taken why leave him into the sideline? Its about time the GAA came down heavy on people for this nonsense.

    Banning the club for one lunatic who could not have been stopped from doing this horrible thing is ludicrous...if that was the case someone could just don the colours of a rival club and do some serious damage! This Davin team has fought for 10 years to return senior and their first championship match was abandoned because of one "supporter" had a moment of madness...there are morons like him in every other club in the country...the genuine players should not have to suffer because of this. Why leave him onto the sideline?? Because that's where the supporters stand on this field in particular...there's no stands in the majority of south Tipp fields!! If you are trying to imply that he is a player it couldn't be further from the truth...tracksuit and a hoody is how the majority of people like him dress...24/7! :o The Davin players tried to stop him immediately you can see clearly in the clip...later that night an uncle of his gave him what he deserved too...a lot worse than what the ref got! A lifetime ban for the offender only would be appropriate but no ban or throwing the team out of the championship in my opinion would be the solution. The Davin club have said that they will comply fully with Gardai and Willie Barret...as I'm sure they are embarrassed of the shame this guy brought upon them.
    aidan24326 wrote: »
    We don't know yet who this guy is. Is he officially involved with the club or just some random idiot?

    This is just a random idiot who hangs around with a few of the wrong crew...think he played witht his club when he was younger...think I may have marked him once or twice...could be mistaken :p Just went to the game because the "bois" would be there...a good idea for a few cans I suppose he thought!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭toiletduck


    Scumbag. Lifetime ban definitely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    chinguetti wrote: »
    From looking at that clip and its only a clip, it seems that the 'supporter' didn't come down from the crowd as he was on the sideline - wearing a tracksuit, possibly football boots on him and with a hurl in his hand.

    He mightn't be a paid up member of the club (which means nothing) but he appears to have been on the sideline and it appears that no one went up to him from his club as he walked back off the pitch and melted into the crowd.

    Lifetime ban for him and the club too if he was on the sideline in my opinion. If he had drink taken why leave him into the sideline? Its about time the GAA came down heavy on people for this nonsense.

    that is fcuking ridiculous, what kind of tripe is that? by all means ban the person for life, but the club? wtf! :rolleyes: anybody could go in an masquerade as a club supporter and act the thug like that! ffs a bit of perspective here, clubs arent able to stop people doing what they want.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    aDeener wrote: »
    that is fcuking ridiculous, what kind of tripe is that? by all means ban the person for life, but the club? wtf! :rolleyes: anybody could go in an masquerade as a club supporter and act the thug like that! ffs a bit of perspective here, clubs arent able to stop people doing what they want.

    I'm pretty sure there was a similiar case in Leinster involving a ref being assaulted by a "supporter" and the club were banned for misconduct, so it is not tripe, there is a precedence there - the club are responsible for the people on their field. I agree that it would be harsh for the club to be thrown out because of it.

    All the pitches should be fenced, with only team mentors and the players allowed inside the fence - it would avoid this sort of thing happening again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭john__long


    Anyone know why the ref was attacked?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭Ddad


    Wow, I thought the lack of respect for authority in the GAA was bad but this is a new low. What an utter toerag that lad is. I don't know about a total ban on the club but a penalty must be forthcoming they have a responsibility to the ref to ensure his safety on their pitch. Its the basics of hospitality. IMHO the attitude to referees in the GAA is brutal anyway, with death threats and disrespect the GAA as a whole needs to have a hard look at how it protects and supports its officials.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    I'm pretty sure there was a similiar case in Leinster involving a ref being assaulted by a "supporter" and the club were banned for misconduct, so it is not tripe, there is a precedence there - the club are responsible for the people on their field. I agree that it would be harsh for the club to be thrown out because of it.

    All the pitches should be fenced, with only team mentors and the players allowed inside the fence - it would avoid this sort of thing happening again.

    "banned for life" i think not.

    please tell me, how a club is supposed to stop someone going onto the field to hit a ref? they cant, unless they have toweres in each corner with snipers in them :rolleyes:

    even if they were fenced, if someone really wanted to, they could still get in. sure look how many matches in various different sports around the world have streakers on the pitch, and them with a massive police presence! if they wanted to, they could attack the ref.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Ddad wrote: »
    Wow, I thought the lack of respect for authority in the GAA was bad but this is a new low. What an utter toerag that lad is. I don't know about a total ban on the club but a penalty must be forthcoming they have a responsibility to the ref to ensure his safety on their pitch. Its the basics of hospitality. IMHO the attitude to referees in the GAA is brutal anyway, with death threats and disrespect the GAA as a whole needs to have a hard look at how it protects and supports its officials.

    more shite. this is an isolated incident carried out by one thug, and has been condemned by all involved in the GAA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 165 ✭✭magicface1


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAGpFdogL8k
    here is the video I just seen on youtube. The f**k*r in the grey runs out from the sideline hurl in hand and hit Willie in the back while he had back turned to him. What a complete and spineless act. I really hope Willie presses charges because what happened there is something that should never happen on a playing field.. No matter how bad the ref is he doesnt deserve to get to belts while his back it turned...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    Thats a disgrace!
    That guy should be banned from attending or playing any GAA related game for life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭JamieK


    john__long wrote: »
    Anyone know why the ref was attacked?

    I can't really see any apparent reason for it...like the ref wasn't being unfair in any way towards either team. The Davins had a man sent off for a straight red card and deservedly so...they also had a man sent off for 2 yellows which was definitely merited also.

    What caused this small series of handbags was a dirty overhead pull by a Ballingarry player who was about to be sent off, everybody knew he was about to be sent off...yet this plank thought it suitable to cowardly assault the ref?!

    Funny thing is that free they just won would have levelled the match with 15 minutes to go... :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭JamieK




  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    aDeener wrote: »
    "banned for life" i think not.

    please tell me, how a club is supposed to stop someone going onto the field to hit a ref? they cant, unless they have toweres in each corner with snipers in them :rolleyes:

    even if they were fenced, if someone really wanted to, they could still get in. sure look how many matches in various different sports around the world have streakers on the pitch, and them with a massive police presence! if they wanted to, they could attack the ref.

    Banned for the year iirc

    Fences are a deterrent. More has to be done for the protection of refs, or else people won't do it - and that is coming from the top down. People complain about a lack of top referees, thats because you get arrogant f**kers on the sideline making a refs life hell, that happens enough times and the ref won't go back. Refs make mistakes, but they have to be allowed make those mistakes and learn from them to become top referees. Assaulting the ref, both verbally and physically has become way more common recently - and if that means clubs thrown out of competitions for it, then so be it. In this case, since the "supporter" was not a paid up member of the club then it would be very harsh for the club to be thrown out. The clubs are responsible for the people on their ground during a game

    At least with fences the "attacker" has another obstacle to overcome. There is a line between supporters and teams. I hope that guy is prosecuted to the full extent of the law


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭cargo


    i see that video clip has been deleted from youtube (the link above anyway). anyone know anywhere else it is available?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Zenga


    Lets not go too far here

    Even the referee said how disgusted carrig davins were about the incident. The person involved is going to be banned for life, in fact im sure carrick davins will probably make sure of it, the shame it brings on his own club will be enough to ensure that.

    There are literally thousands of matches held every week in the GAA, I play both hurling and junior soccer myself, and there is very little abuse directed towards GAA refs compared to Junior Soccer. In my nearly twenty years of playing and attending GAA matches ive never once seen a ref assaulted physically, and its very rare to see one assualted verbally by a player or official.

    You will always get eejits in the crowd chanting "the referee's a w@nker" etc but they are by and large a small minority of the GAA supporting public.

    The GAA is a well ran voluntary organism of irish society at both local and national level, this is an isolated incident, if it were happening every other week (as it does in junior soccer in england) then we have a problem and steps would need to be taken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭JamieK


    Zenga wrote: »
    its very rare to see one assualted verbally by a player or official.

    Except of course for the inevitable... "G'WAY outta tha' ref!" :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    Sorry folks but i still stand by the fact that the club should get a ban too. The words 'isolated incidents' were mentioned earlier but wasn't there a story a couple of years back of a ref been locked in a boot, of a ref having to be protected by gardai around the same time and a match last year where stewards had to keep the crowd back from the ref. I'm not going to name counties as i might get one wrong.

    I'm sure that if i did a bit of searching on the internet i would find more incidents so its not isolated. Its not the fault of the GAA but society has become very aggresive in the last decade.

    The only way that people/supporters/clubs/officials will ever take notice of discipline is that clubs get a ban for a year from anyone attacking a ref, linesman or umpire. As the clubs will never vote for this and the CCCC and DCC and whatever other bodies the GAA appoint, it will never happen and we'll again be listening to an 'isolated incident' before the year is out. I hope i'm wrong.

    And by the way, i'm a GAA fan and have been going to matches as long as i can remember and will be doing so again this Saturday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 165 ✭✭magicface1


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAGpFdogL8k

    watch the pr**k in bottom left hand corner of the screen at about 12/13 seconds thats the fellow to watch...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭EKRIUQ




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭cri


    chinguetti wrote: »
    Sorry folks but i still stand by the fact that the club should get a ban too. The words 'isolated incidents' were mentioned earlier but wasn't there a story a couple of years back of a ref been locked in a boot, of a ref having to be protected by gardai around the same time and a match last year where stewards had to keep the crowd back from the ref. I'm not going to name counties as i might get one wrong.

    I'm sure that if i did a bit of searching on the internet i would find more incidents so its not isolated. Its not the fault of the GAA but society has become very aggresive in the last decade.

    The only way that people/supporters/clubs/officials will ever take notice of discipline is that clubs get a ban for a year from anyone attacking a ref, linesman or umpire. As the clubs will never vote for this and the CCCC and DCC and whatever other bodies the GAA appoint, it will never happen and we'll again be listening to an 'isolated incident' before the year is out. I hope i'm wrong.

    And by the way, i'm a GAA fan and have been going to matches as long as i can remember and will be doing so again this Saturday

    Not only should the club get a ban but Croke Park should also sanction the county, make them play all games away or something to hit them in the pocket because this is not the first time Tipp have done this and obviously little was done previously.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 175 ✭✭kildare9


    Are the two teams swans and davins or am I mistaken? sick stuff altogther, that lad should be locked up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    A filthy Scumbag.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭Stevecw


    chinguetti wrote: »
    Sorry folks but i still stand by the fact that the club should get a ban too. The words 'isolated incidents' were mentioned earlier but wasn't there a story a couple of years back of a ref been locked in a boot, of a ref having to be protected by gardai around the same time and a match last year where stewards had to keep the crowd back from the ref. I'm not going to name counties as i might get one wrong.

    I'm sure that if i did a bit of searching on the internet i would find more incidents so its not isolated. Its not the fault of the GAA but society has become very aggresive in the last decade.

    The only way that people/supporters/clubs/officials will ever take notice of discipline is that clubs get a ban for a year from anyone attacking a ref, linesman or umpire. As the clubs will never vote for this and the CCCC and DCC and whatever other bodies the GAA appoint, it will never happen and we'll again be listening to an 'isolated incident' before the year is out. I hope i'm wrong.

    And by the way, i'm a GAA fan and have been going to matches as long as i can remember and will be doing so again this Saturday

    There is no way that could work. How the hell can you punish a whole club, just because of 1 mad "supporter". No chance that they can ban the club, that would be madness. All the players on all teams at the club, plus the managers, selectors and not forgetting the real supporters all have to endure a 1 year ban all because of 1 lunatic??!!! How can you possibly think that makes sense.

    Yes of course it was horrible what happened, but it was 1 person, obviously a bit mad and he did what he did. Its him and only him that should be punished, the poor club have nothing to do with this at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭An Citeog


    chinguetti wrote: »
    Sorry folks but i still stand by the fact that the club should get a ban too. The words 'isolated incidents' were mentioned earlier but wasn't there a story a couple of years back of a ref been locked in a boot, of a ref having to be protected by gardai around the same time and a match last year where stewards had to keep the crowd back from the ref. I'm not going to name counties as i might get one wrong.

    I'm sure that if i did a bit of searching on the internet i would find more incidents so its not isolated. Its not the fault of the GAA but society has become very aggresive in the last decade.

    The only way that people/supporters/clubs/officials will ever take notice of discipline is that clubs get a ban for a year from anyone attacking a ref, linesman or umpire. As the clubs will never vote for this and the CCCC and DCC and whatever other bodies the GAA appoint, it will never happen and we'll again be listening to an 'isolated incident' before the year is out. I hope i'm wrong.

    And by the way, i'm a GAA fan and have been going to matches as long as i can remember and will be doing so again this Saturday

    If it was one of the players, I could maybe understand your logic. What could the club have done differently to prevent this from happening? The guy that did this should be banned for life and face criminal charges, end of imho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭MrsJohnMurphy


    It seems to me that GAA players and fans love the fights and recriminations that go on during matches and see it as a intergal part of the game and the top brass while they have to be seen to be supposed to be doing something are happy to in effect turn a blind eye and let it continue.

    Thats why there are so many incidents being reported these days of refs being attacked, fistfights and mass brawls, games being abandoned, refs requiring garda protection at the end of games, players recieving broken jaws in the off the ball incidents etc. This is just the latest example.

    The fella who done this should be charged and locked up, simple as!

    I am surprised the usual "we are waiting for the referees report and can't comment till then" excuse hasnt been trotted out by some official yet! :rolleyes:

    mjm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭miseeire


    skelliser wrote: »
    Thats a disgrace!
    That guy should be banned from attending or playing any GAA related game for life.

    Couldn't agree with you more but that's not enough.I read alcohol may have played a part but most of us drink and don't like what we see but still have control.I hope this individual is named and shamed.I believe jail would not serve any purpose.I wonder has he apologised for his actions.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    I am surprised the usual "we are waiting for the referees report and can't comment till then" excuse hasnt been trotted out by some official yet! :rolleyes:

    mjm

    Thats not an excuse - the relevant board has to receive the refs report before they can act on anything. Thats the procedure, and has been always - it is not an excuse


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭JamieK


    kildare9 wrote: »
    Are the two teams swans and davins or am I mistaken? sick stuff altogther, that lad should be locked up.

    Carrick Davins...the team in red against Ballingarry! Jesus don't be bringing us into it at all! :p
    miseeire wrote: »
    I hope this individual is named and shamed.I believe jail would not serve any purpose.I wonder has he apologised for his actions.

    It is known around here who the guy is...can't be named really until it's officialy released I'm guessing. I seriously doubt this is the kind of guy who would apologize... :cool:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    chinguetti wrote: »
    Sorry folks but i still stand by the fact that the club should get a ban too. The words 'isolated incidents' were mentioned earlier but wasn't there a story a couple of years back of a ref been locked in a boot, of a ref having to be protected by gardai around the same time and a match last year where stewards had to keep the crowd back from the ref. I'm not going to name counties as i might get one wrong.

    I'm sure that if i did a bit of searching on the internet i would find more incidents so its not isolated. Its not the fault of the GAA but society has become very aggresive in the last decade.

    The only way that people/supporters/clubs/officials will ever take notice of discipline is that clubs get a ban for a year from anyone attacking a ref, linesman or umpire. As the clubs will never vote for this and the CCCC and DCC and whatever other bodies the GAA appoint, it will never happen and we'll again be listening to an 'isolated incident' before the year is out. I hope i'm wrong.

    And by the way, i'm a GAA fan and have been going to matches as long as i can remember and will be doing so again this Saturday

    exactly, a couple of years back :rolleyes: ffs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭UpTheSlashers


    cri wrote: »
    Not only should the club get a ban but Croke Park should also sanction the county, make them play all games away or something to hit them in the pocket because this is not the first time Tipp have done this and obviously little was done previously.
    What :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Grudaire


    The club should have sanctions put against it. Put simply they are the only ones who could have done anything. It's quite clear the guy is a nut case, I don't see how the GAA or the Referee is to know that. If the club knows that they've got some fella who tags along to the games, then it should be up to them to deal with it.

    Just because he isn't a 'member' of the club it is no get out clause. This still has to be stopped from happening again, and as I said the clubs are the only ones who can do that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭JamieK


    Cliste wrote: »
    If the club knows that they've got some fella who tags along to the games, then it should be up to them to deal with it.

    Just because he isn't a 'member' of the club it is no get out clause. This still has to be stopped from happening again, and as I said the clubs are the only ones who can do that.

    So you're trying to say that a guy that had no history in the GAA of misconduct prior to this should have been stopped going to matches just on the off chance that he might decide to initiate his vendettas against referees? And how exactly would they have stopped him going to a public event like this? It isn't as if you need an invitation to attend a hurling match like?!

    On the Tipp hurling forum people are saying that the Davins are to remain in the championship...and their match against Ballingarry is to be replayed... :) ...can't exactly find an official source but everyone seems to be accepting that as the truth...and rightly so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Grudaire


    JamieK wrote: »
    So you're trying to say that a guy that had no history in the GAA of misconduct prior to this should have been stopped going to matches just on the off chance that he might decide to initiate his vendettas against referees? And how exactly would they have stopped him going to a public event like this? It isn't as if you need an invitation to attend a hurling match like?!

    You may notice I didn't mention stopping him from attending. I just feel that if anyone could have stopped it it is the club itself. Normally that should mean just telling them to stop shouting/cursing at the ref (People aren't told to shut up half enough on the sidelines). In this case it would be not letting him run at the referee with a hurl.

    It doesn't matter about historys of misconduct, or how many red cards they got while playing - what does matter is their temperment. It didn't just happen, normal calm people don't just decide to attack a referee with a hurl regardless of the situation.

    The logical solution to stop this happening again is that the clubs themselves clamp down on this internally and informally.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Cliste wrote: »
    The club should have sanctions put against it. Put simply they are the only ones who could have done anything. It's quite clear the guy is a nut case, I don't see how the GAA or the Referee is to know that. If the club knows that they've got some fella who tags along to the games, then it should be up to them to deal with it.

    Just because he isn't a 'member' of the club it is no get out clause. This still has to be stopped from happening again, and as I said the clubs are the only ones who can do that.

    with a post like that, your username could not be more inappropriate.

    with that kind of logic, you would be of the belief that if i masqueraded as a kerry supporter for a game (and was seen and presumed by all to be a kerry supporter) and assaulted a ref, kerry county board should be punished.

    unbelievable


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Stevecw wrote: »
    There is no way that could work. How the hell can you punish a whole club, just because of 1 mad "supporter". No chance that they can ban the club, that would be madness. All the players on all teams at the club, plus the managers, selectors and not forgetting the real supporters all have to endure a 1 year ban all because of 1 lunatic??!!! How can you possibly think that makes sense.

    Yes of course it was horrible what happened, but it was 1 person, obviously a bit mad and he did what he did. Its him and only him that should be punished, the poor club have nothing to do with this at all.

    exactly. its like deporting all muslims or treating them like scum because of the taliban

    EDIT: or to a more local extent, me or you ordinary joe irishman or woman getting treated like s*it everywhere we go in the world because of the IRA


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    cri wrote: »
    Not only should the club get a ban but Croke Park should also sanction the county, make them play all games away or something to hit them in the pocket because this is not the first time Tipp have done this and obviously little was done previously.

    What breed of gobs*ite are you to suggest that this is a trait of the people of tipperary? ignorant idiocy at its finest! :mad:

    Tipperary has a population of 150k people and is 1,661 sq miles. Because of one moron in this 150k you are suggesting we should be kicked out of everything? who is to say the assailant was even from tipp?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Grudaire


    aDeener, Tóg go bog é firstly. I'm not here to have an argument over the shape of my username.
    aDeener wrote: »
    with that kind of logic, you would be of the belief that if i masqueraded as a kerry supporter for a game (and was seen and presumed by all to be a kerry supporter) and assaulted a ref, kerry county board should be punished.

    Right, to re-explain my point a second time (I'm really not good with words):

    What happened: Referee attacked

    What I want: For this to not happen again

    The way I see it being stopped from happening again: All clubs have followers/ associates/taggers along, who have a shorter than ideal fuse, and it should be the onus of individual clubs to make sure that nobody from the club (or associated/shows up) gets out of hand.


    Now clearly there are exceptions to every rule, and I don't see how a county could be expected to keep tabs on everyone, however this 'Not a member' get out clause will not stop it from happening again. To counter your Kerry county board example I've seen the 'not a member' trotted out at an U10's game. A man on the sideline basically began tearing into the referee 5 minutes in (And this is Go Games tiny pitch).
    Referee has a chat with him which was the referee asking him to stop, and the man sending every curse in the English language at him. Not one of his own club told him to shut up. Quite obvious that he was one of the parents, but the management accepted no responsibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭cornerboy


    I must say I find it unusual that a senior hurling championship match would be played in an unfenced ground. Im not sure I ever remember seeing that happen in Waterford though it does lead to the over use of the county grounds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭UpTheSlashers


    cornerboy wrote: »
    I must say I find it unusual that a senior hurling championship match would be played in an unfenced ground. Im not sure I ever remember seeing that happen in Waterford though it does lead to the over use of the county grounds.
    Many of the pitches are unfenced around here and it would have been complicated enough to determine a neutral venue that didnt clash with other fixtures, let alone trying to foresee this incident


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Grudaire


    cornerboy wrote: »
    I must say I find it unusual that a senior hurling championship match would be played in an unfenced ground. Im not sure I ever remember seeing that happen in Waterford though it does lead to the over use of the county grounds.

    Sure Parnell Park is unfenced! If fences are needed to keep control of GAA crowds it's a very bad sign.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭sonic boom


    it is inaporpriate to blame the whole county for the actions of 1 drink fuelled loony in an isolated incident in a club game. it is not something tipperary people are known for as if it was it would have happened to the now disgraced diramuid kirwan after his well known hatred of tipp was shamefully illustrated during the last all ireland final


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭JamieK


    €1500 fine for the club...the match being replayed! :eek:

    Nothing about the individual yet though! :o


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