McCarthy Must step down...

CyberDave

Watching the Limerick/Dublin game today on TG4, I couldn't but feel sorry for Limerick. Dublin are on the up, but there is no way they would beat a full strength Limerick team that much. Surely McCarthy must be ousted after this. I cannot understand how he has been given support to stay on. Is it not a little coincidental that Waterford wanted him out as well? Counties like Limerick need to be at full strength, for hurling. It's not much fun seeming a proud hurling county like Limerick be humilated because of the stubborness of one man.

redcat

I have to agree,if he has any interest in the future of Limerick Hurling Justin will walk away now before he does anymore damage.I dont know what the County Board or Clubs think they are doing but its not worth destroying Limerick Hurling for.Two county panels cant be all wrong!

existential

I agree with all the above. McCarthys position is untenable now. He must be removed from the job.

He is responsible for one of Limericks most humiliating defeats of all time today and relegating us without a win.

Irregardless of the players vs management fiasco and the rights and wrongs of the involved parties, McCarthy is toxic for Limerick hurling.

rebel girl 15

Didn't the county board back him again recently enough?

I watched that game as well, thought McCarthy was smirking/smiling after the game, anyone else notice it?

I agree, he needs to go, it is destroying Limerick hurling

Orizio

As usual, people (the elite of Limerick GAA) want to put this down to right/wrong and damn the consquences in the process, which is extremely irresponsible. One may be morally right but practically wrong, as in this case Justin, the club delegates and the LCB.

Limerick will be a mediocre Div 2 team - the only reason they didn't get more hammerings like yesterday is because Dublin were the only team to take them seriously. If it was Laois or Carlow playing Dublin yesterday (nevermind Clare or Wexford) the result would have been a ****load closer.

Also, I wonder where premierview, Daysha, and all the other people who applauded the LCB's absurd decision to back Justin weeks ago have gone.

Spiritoftheseventies

Do you think Justin has a hope of keeping his job after this. Havent seen game but can only guess from scoreline he isnt getting proper response from player. That is one hell of a hammering by any stretch of the imagination.

aidan24326

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Didn't the county board back him again recently enough?
I watched that game as well, thought McCarthy was smirking/smiling after the game, anyone else notice it?

I agree, he needs to go, it is destroying Limerick hurling

They did, though it's hard to know why. It seems to be a similiar problem to what happened in Cork, a sort of power struggle between the players and the County Board. And like what happened in Cork I can only see one solution, and that's for the manager to step aside. If he doesn't, Limerick will probably take a major trouncing in the championship, and I don't see what good that's going to do anyone. I know you can't have players dictating everything, but at the same time I don't see the point in keeping on a manager when almost the entire first-team squad don't want him there.

Peace

I would think that either McCarthy or the players (or both) should budge from the stalemate that they are at now. its already cost them a year of Div1 hurling and it looks like its going to be a short summer for Limerick hurling if things continue as they are now.

Als even though a number of first team players are missing i would think that the 15 players on the field should have put up more of a challenge to Dublin yesterday. I think the issues run deeper in Limerick hurling that just a few fellas on strike. There are issues with the playing team as well as the striking team.

aidan24326

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Do you think Justin has a hope of keeping his job after this. Havent seen game but can only guess from scoreline he isnt getting proper response from player. That is one hell of a hammering by any stretch of the imagination.

What you have is a bunch of decent club hurlers disguised as a county team, so regardless of what response he's getting I don't think they're good enough anyway. They conceded 20 points in the first half alone.

beautifulmind

Of course McCarthy should leave as manager. They have been a shadow of themselves since Tipp handed out a hammering to them in the semi last year and in my opinion nothing has changed since but more trouble and hardship for players and fans alike. He should go and let someone else in to bring limerick hurling back to what it was.

rebel girl 15

aidan24326 wrote: »

What you have is a bunch of decent club hurlers disguised as a county team, so regardless of what response he's getting I don't think they're good enough anyway. They conceded 20 points in the first half alone.

20 points to 8 @ HT

6-30 to 2-10 @ full time

One of those Limerick goals should have been stopped, Dublin ran through them on the second half. 4 Limerick scores in the second half.

I agree with your first sentence, thats what they looked like yesterday, sometimes average hurlers, not being able to pick up the ball first time, basic stuff

Spiritoftheseventies

aidan24326 wrote: »

What you have is a bunch of decent club hurlers disguised as a county team, so regardless of what response he's getting I don't think they're good enough anyway. They conceded 20 points in the first half alone.

Was at the game down in Thurles last year and Limerick played us perfectly. What has gone wrong in the meantime.

Gingy

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Was at the game down in Thurles last year and Limerick played us perfectly. What has gone wrong in the meantime.

Those players have left. I picked up the program yesterday and only recognised 3 of the Limerick team.

Justin should go in fairness, I know he's technically in the right and has the support of the clubs, but surely he can see that Limerick hurling is going the wrong direction and he's central to their downfall. Look at Brendan Hackett over the weekend, he gracefully bowed out after he lost the dressingroom and McCarthy should now swallow some pride and do the same.

pajoguy

Emergency County Board meeting tonight apparently.

Orizio

pajoguy wrote: »

Emergency County Board meeting tonight apparently.

Any news?

pajoguy

There doesnt appear to be any mention in the news. Either way 2010 a complete goner. Probably take a few years to recover

Browney7

CyberDave wrote: »

Watching the Limerick/Dublin game today on TG4, I couldn't but feel sorry for Limerick. Dublin are on the up, but there is no way they would beat a full strength Limerick team that much. Surely McCarthy must be ousted after this. I cannot understand how he has been given support to stay on. Is it not a little coincidental that Waterford wanted him out as well? Counties like Limerick need to be at full strength, for hurling. It's not much fun seeming a proud hurling county like Limerick be humilated because of the stubborness of one man.

Its not just Justin who's Stubborn. The players on strike aren't exactly budging are they.

There's no guarantee the players will come back either though. They could well give the 2 fingers to the board and the clubs who backed JMC.

He probably will go now though but the strikers will have to do some serious training if they come back. It's a mess.

Spiritoftheseventies

Hard to believe that Justin who did such a great job with Waterford has now fallen so far from grace.

willietherock

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Hard to believe that Justin who did such a great job with Waterford has now fallen so far from grace.

He was ran out of Waterford in the end. His failure to get that side into an All Ire final seems to have been forgotten.It worked for a while given the talent available but went sour v quickly. Davy Fitz, however limited he is,got a much inferior side to the final.
There was serious issues wrt to his training methods in Waterford particularily wrt to physical conditioning. The players had to kick up a stink to introduce a physical trainer. Man management was also v poor with a no. of v poorly handled situations, the Alan Kirwan situation springs to mind. A no. of organisational cock ups along the way wrt to travel arrangments to Croke Pk.He was v poor on the line to react to game flow and tactically naive.
Their are many in Waterford not surprised how it's ended up in Limerick.

rebel girl 15

willietherock wrote: »

He was ran out of Waterford in the end. His failure to get that side into an All Ire final seems to have been forgotten.It worked for a while given the talent available but went sour v quickly. Davy Fitz, however limited he is,got a much inferior side to the final.
There was serious issues wrt to his training methods in Waterford particularily wrt to physical conditioning. The players had to kick up a stink to introduce a physical trainer. Man management was also v poor with a no. of v poorly handled situations, the Alan Kirwan situation springs to mind. A no. of organisational cock ups along the way wrt to travel arrangments to Croke Pk.He was v poor on the line to react to game flow and tactically naive.
Their are many in Waterford not surprised how it's ended up in Limerick.

Extremely poor man management has caused the problem in Limerick - dropping 12 players by text message is very poor form.

willietherock

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Extremely poor man management has caused the problem in Limerick - dropping 12 players by text message is very poor form.

If he had been cute he could have dropped them a few at a time during training / the league.

rebel girl 15

willietherock wrote: »

If he had been cute he could have dropped them a few at a time during training / the league.

thats not being cute, thats the way it should be done - Donal O Grady the Cork manager came out with something like that. At least give them the courtesy of a face to face meeting and explain why they are being dropped, but I don't think you can drop that many players without an impact.

Orizio

willietherock wrote: »

If he had been cute he could have dropped them a few at a time during training / the league.

Donal O'Grady's words a few weeks back.

Floppybits

Orizio wrote: »

Donal O'Grady's words a few weeks back.

I thought in most counties that extended squads are named for the cup and league games and then at the end of the league the squad is then reduced for the championship. Surely McCarthy could have done as O'Grady said and cut the players through the league campaign. As others have said it seems that McCarthy is making the same mistakes that he made in Waterford before being run out and hasn't learned any lessons.

This is a shame for Limerick hurling and I can't understand why the County Board have not or will not step and sort it out, I thought the County Boards where suppose to look after the progress of Gaelic Games in their counties, I am beginning to think that this is not the case is a lot of counties.

TheWarrior

Floppybits wrote: »

I thought in most counties that extended squads are named for the cup and league games and then at the end of the league the squad is then reduced for the championship. Surely McCarthy could have done as O'Grady said and cut the players through the league campaign. As others have said it seems that McCarthy is making the same mistakes that he made in Waterford before being run out and hasn't learned any lessons.

This is a shame for Limerick hurling and I can't understand why the County Board have not or will not step and sort it out, I thought the County Boards where suppose to look after the progress of Gaelic Games in their counties, I am beginning to think that this is not the case is a lot of counties.

I was a bit on the fence at first about this, there were fellas that had no future as they were the wrong side of 30 & it was time to give youth its head in that regard; but when the quality young players pulled out of the panel I knew we would have a desperate season.
The problem as I see it is that the beatings that were anticipated didn't come early enough in the league. If cork, Tipp, Galway had all dropped the hammer and were wining by 30 + points McCarthy wouldn't have survived the votes. Instead the beatings weren't too bad & people thought maybe this is the way to proceed. Now when reality has kicked in & McCarthy has survived 2 votes we are where we are. Nobody will want the job at this stage, players wouldn't be up to speed in 8 weeks. We are on a hiding to nothing. The best Limerick can hope for this year is good underage results & the right man in place for next season.

patmac

TheWarrior wrote: »

I was a bit on the fence at first about this, there were fellas that had no future as they were the wrong side of 30 & it was time to give youth its head in that regard; but when the quality young players pulled out of the panel I knew we would have a desperate season.

I agree here, I too was neutral and admired McCarthy for his stance, but if Westmeath lost by 31 points to a Dublin side that took their foot of the pedal and emptied their sub bench I would be calling for the managers head. It seems he can't even get the best out of the players that are left. God help them when they meet Cork or Tipp in the championship.

jordainius

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Extremely poor man management has caused the problem in Limerick - dropping 12 players by text message is very poor form.

Incorrect, they didn't even get sent a text message. They weren't told at all.

Twelve players with a combined total of 267 championship appearances between them weren't deemed worthy of an explanation by Justin.

DylanS09

But even if we do get the players who WEREN'T dropped came back they're still not gonna win anything!
I agree what Justin did just not the way he did it!
He had the right idea in bringing in new, younger players.
Alot of the 09 team were on the wrong side of 30 and wern't what they used to be!
We need to start building foundations for the next 3/4 years and tbh this isn't the way to do it!
We do need some of last years panel to bring a bit of experience to the team.
And if Justin does go, I hope those who were dropped don't come back!

Now there I said it!Needed to get that off my chest!

grenache

I really do think that Limerick County Board should just pull the team out of this years championship. A hiding from Cork/Tipp in Munster followed by another one in the qualifiers serves absolutely no purpose. Justin McCarthy's only hope of staying on was to avoid a heavy defeat in the league (which he had managed to do up to last Sunday) but in the wake of Dublin's big win i think us as supporters are left with little option but to ask him to step down. We are going nowhere. I still believe a few of the players chopped should never play for Limerick again but we still need the majority of them back, especially the younger guys like O'Mahony and Hickey.