Another rules thread:

Tom Ghostwood

One of my playing partners today caught a chip fat but hit the ball with his follow through. He didnt hit the ball with his actual stroke as he took a large divot. Is this counted as one or two strokes?

f22

Two strokes, the first of which he made an attempt to hit the ball.

Daithio9

It's called a double hit and yes it counts as 2 strokes.
Any chance we can get a rules sticky mods?.

Sandwlch

Just to clarify further. The two strokes are made up of the stroke to hit the ball, and one penalty stroke - not two because he it it twice. If he touched the ball 3 or more times, it would still be just 1+1.

stockdam

The way I read the OP.......

He missed the ball with his swing and hit the ground. He then hit the ball with his follow through thus only hitting it once.

If so then I don't see a problem.........just a bad shot.

Tom Ghostwood

stockdam wrote: »

The way I read the OP.......

He missed the ball with his swing and hit the ground. He then hit the ball with his follow through thus only hitting it once.

If so then I don't see a problem.........just a bad shot.

Thats exactly what happened. Well, he moved the ball in to the air with the duff but tipped it in the air with his follow through. So no penalty then. Cool.

f22

Tom Ghostwood wrote: »

Thats exactly what happened. Well, he moved the ball in to the air with the duff but tipped it in the air with his follow through. So no penalty then. Cool.

It most definitely is a penalty, he caused the ball to move with the original stroke, and then hit the ball on the follow through.

FlutterinBantam

Tom Ghostwood wrote: »

Thats exactly what happened. Well, he moved the ball in to the air with the duff but tipped it in the air with his follow through. So no penalty then. Cool.

The fact that you don't actually make contact with the ball on the duff swing is irrelevant,the ball moved and a double hit ensued definte penalty situation.

As i see it he counts 1 for the duff 1 for the double hit + a penalty shot.

BigAl>>

stockdam wrote: »

The way I read the OP.......

He missed the ball with his swing and hit the ground. He then hit the ball with his follow through thus only hitting it once.

If so then I don't see a problem.........just a bad shot.

Isnt an attempt to strike the ball still counted as a shot even if you miss! So on that basis striking the ball on the follow through counts as a shot also:eek: which makes it 2 storkes ( as per wht F22 mentioned)

Daithio9

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

The fact that you don't actually make contact with the ball on the duff swing is irrelevant,the ball moved and a double hit ensued definte penalty situation.

As i see it he counts 1 for the duff 1 for the double hit + a penalty shot.

Penalty shot for what?, and can you quote the rule where you think this should be a penalty?.

Adiaga 2

I can see why stockdam said no penalty, because it wasn't too clear in the OP.

Tom Ghostwood wrote: »

Well, he moved the ball in to the air with the duff but tipped it in the air with his follow through.

This is crystal clear and as said above definitely a penalty.

Adiaga 2

Oops Daithi is right..

Rule 14-4 covers this situation, and states, "If a player's club strikes the ball more than once in the course of a stroke, the player shall count the stroke and add a penalty stroke, making two strokes in all." Notice that it is irrelevant how many times the player struck the ball, be it two, three, or more. The player is then required to play the ball as it lies.

Jasonw

Almost every situation you can think of where it's not specifically covered in the rules it is covered in the decisions on the rules of golf. You can find these on the R&A website www.randa.co.uk

In this case it's covered under decision 14-4/3

Question:
In playing a chip shot, a player’s club strikes the ground several inches behind the ball and does not come into contact with the ball. However, the ground is struck with enough force to cause the ball to move. The player’s club continues and strikes the ball while it is moving. What is the ruling?

Answer:
The player must count his stroke and add a penalty stroke under Rule 14-4.
Even though the club itself did not initially strike the ball, the ball was put into motion due to the stroke; therefore, Rule 14-4 applies.

So Tom. Penalty stroke for your 'friend'

Tom Ghostwood

Jasonw wrote: »

Almost every situation you can think of where it's not specifically covered in the rules it is covered in the decisions on the rules of golf. You can find these on the R&A website www.randa.co.uk

In this case it's covered under decision 14-4/3

Question:
In playing a chip shot, a player’s club strikes the ground several inches behind the ball and does not come into contact with the ball. However, the ground is struck with enough force to cause the ball to move. The player’s club continues and strikes the ball while it is moving. What is the ruling?

Answer:
The player must count his stroke and add a penalty stroke under Rule 14-4.
Even though the club itself did not initially strike the ball, the ball was put into motion due to the stroke; therefore, Rule 14-4 applies.

So Tom. Penalty stroke for your 'friend'

Thanks for clearing that up. And no need for this "friend" crap either. Its actually a very low hcapper in the club I was playing with. I didnt say anything as I was unsure of the rule & didnt rock the boat.

Jasonw

Tom Ghostwood wrote: »

Thanks for clearing that up. And no need for this "friend" crap either. Its actually a very low hcapper in the club I was playing with. I didnt say anything as I was unsure of the rule & didnt rock the boat.

Sorry. Should have put a

billy3sheets

Had one of these recently. I think I called it, then nobody knew the exact rule, so I punished myself an additional 2 strokes. So I was playing 3rd and next one I played was 6th

Interesting that it's only 2 shots that are counted. So theoretically, I could flip the ball up & 'solo' the whole way up a par 5 and it would only be 2 shots?:D

Sandwlch

By the decision, is every 'heavy' shot then theoretically a penalty situation? The ball is likely moving from the impact with the ground before the club strikes it directly - even if the time difference is very small, and not as obvious as the OPs situation, which is closer to the more straightforward 'double hit'?