The John Morrison Thread

mr.mayo

Morrison is one guy who is always being touted as a future main eventer, personally I can't see it happening but I'd like to know what the rest of you think. He has a number of things going for him - He has a great look and is very impressive in the ring but there are other things which I can see holding him back. First off, his mic skills, or lack of them, his promos are often cringeworthy and there doesn't seem to be any real invention or originality in them. He doesn't seem to have much charisma, maybe he does backstage but we certainly can't see it when he's on screen. When he was teaming with The Miz, 99% of people were calling him the Shawn Michaels of the the two while Miz was just the Marty Jannetty. How wrong they were, Miz's charisma and confidence on the mic has transformed him from a nobody to being a future champion. He is arguably the most entertaining guy on Raw and undoubtedly has big things in his future. Morrison meanwhile has gotten lost in Smackdown's mid-card. Last summer it seemed like he was going to be pushed as a main eventer when he twice beat CM Punk but was then dropped back down when Rey vacated the IC title. He had a forgettable reign, he had some good matches but the most notable part of his promos was the invention of "Mr.Ziggles", not exactly something to be proud of!
Since losing the belt to McIntyre he has done very little, he did however put in an impressive display in the Elimination Chamber so maybe there is some hope for him. Right now though, for me anyway, he is just another Marty Jannetty, that guy who used to team with Miz

What do the rest of you think - Is he a future champion or is he a mid-carder for life?

jaykhunter

He's horrible as a face but gets a good reception; and has learnt from the Miz on his heel promos; so I can definitely see him as a main-event heel 5 years down the line. Right now he's a few months solid build away from being champion.

WWE are on a huge youth-build at the moment so it's highly likely he'll lift the strap in the next few years. Thing is though, he's still just stringing moves together and doing showcase manoeuvres, not really any psychology....but he's years to learn that.

I'm also pretty sure he doesn't politik (and possibly openly doesn't like either Trips or Cena or both....and had beef with JBL aswell, got heat because Milena was a b!tch...) so that could slow things down......but much like CM Punk; you can't deny talent forever.

flahavaj

More likely to be mid-carder than a main eventer in the future IMO. He has a few nifty spots and a great look, alright I'll give him that.

But his promos are cat, especially as a face. His voice is hard to listen to, its like a fourteen year old on the verge of puberty. He's only slightly better as a heel. but still nowhere near the level needed to sell PPV's.

waltersobchak

Always thought WWE should have done something with him and HBK and had him lined up as "HBK's Protege" that would have been pretty cool. He's too boring as a face, as a heel he's slightly better, I'll always hear people comparing Morrison to AJ Styles but id say thats his lack of charisma more than in ring ability tbh

Bounty Hunter

waltersobchak wrote: »

Always thought WWE should have done something with him and HBK and had him lined up as "HBK's Protege" that would have been pretty cool. He's too boring as a face, as a heel he's slightly better, I'll always hear people comparing Morrison to AJ Styles but id say thats his lack of charisma more than in ring ability tbh

This made me think of a post from 2 years ago by bubs as part of an ATH game, so i went and found it. he was answering this question

ATH:Round 5
Q.If someone from the current WWE roster was to end the Undertakers undefeated streak at mania, who would you give the honour to? and how would you have it happen?


and here is how he answered it

Bubs101 wrote:

The man that I would have defeat the streak is John Morrison. He is extremely talented in the ring and on the mic and has cut a great heel character since his emergence. He has succeeded with every bone the WWE has thrown him. MNM were great tag team champions and he was the clear standout. He made a fine transitional Intercontinental champ. When he benefited from the Benoit tragedy he did better than anybody ever expected him to do outshining CM Punk on a regular basis (while Kennedy floundered on Raw) until his suspension and ATM with the Miz he is the best thing going on ECW and Smackdown ATM. It is about time he was given a big Main Event push as he ha smore than proved himself in the midcards. He is also under 30 meaning the WWE could create a new superstar by giving him the Taker streak. I also feel that a match this big should definitly be for the title

I would do it the traditional way which is the Rumble. Taker would win his title back that night as Morrison wins the Royal Rumble throwing HBK out last. Him and HBK had entered at 12 and 13 respectively and had spent the majority of the Rumble trying to eliminate the other. Morrison would injure HBK when eliminating him. The next night on Raw, the rumble winner would do his usual speil about which champion to face when HBK interrupts him right before he makes the announcement. Morisson gets ready for a fight but HBK offers to shake his hand and tells him that he was very impressed and that Morrison reminds him of a young Shawn Micheals. He offers his services as a manager and Morrison accepts. HBK sets up a face vs. face programme with HHH for No Way Out for Morrison to prepare him for whichever champion he faces. Hunter and Morrison trade victories on Raw until No Way Out where, with the assistance of HBK, Morrison cheats Triple H out of a win using Hunter's own sledgehammer to turn the two of them into heels.

The final match of the night would see Taker retain against Edge. After the match Morrison rushes into the ring and delivers a savage beating on an already tired Taker while HBK grabs the mic announcing that Morrison will be challenging for the World Heavyweight Title. In the weeks before Wrestlemania, under the direction of HBK, Morrison conducts a number of Guerilla warfare assaults on Taker during his matches and evading his retaliation while beating the likes of Henry and Big Daddy V to continue his impressive wins over larger superstars building him up for Wrestlemania. On the Go Home show Taker finally gets close to Morrison but he just evades him. Taker however gets his hands on HBK and delivers a chilling message to Morrison one the eve of Wrestlemania.

The match would headline the PPV. Morrison would come down with a heavily bandaged HBK on crutches who would sit in with the commentators, kicking Adamle out of his seat. The match would start evenly enough but Taker would start to dominate after 5 minutes and would then get the chokeslam in. He goes for the pin and gets a close 3 count but is interrupted by HBK's crutch. The ref ejects HBK from ringside so Morisson must prove himself alone. Morrison gets the upper hand but as he tries to hit the moonlight drive Taker reverses into the Last Ride and goes for the pin but Morrison hits the ropes. Taker continues to dominate and goes for the Tombstone but Morrison reverses into a small package from behind and gets a close 3 count. The momnetum begins to shift and after Morrison hits his trademark moves he gets the Moonlight Drive in and hits the 3 count. Morisson celebrates beating the streak with the title when Taker offers him a handshake. Morrison accepts but then low blows Taker and hits the Moonlight Drive on Taker onto the title leaving a bloody Taker in the ring and cementing his place as one of the companies top heels and finally giving him the chance to be the next HBK

Jolt2007

Last summer he could do no wrong in the ring, it was getting almost ridiculous the amount of amazing matches he was having week in, week out, but since around the time he got the intercontinental belt he's dropped off quite a bit. On the mic I thought he was fine, even good on commentary on ECW but on Smackdown, woeful. If it was going to happen it would have last summer when Jeff was leaving and Smackdown was getting very low on main event level faces. Don't see him getting the title but I do hope I'm wrong, I got quite the man crush on his beautiful face and cheese grating abs.

waltersobchak

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

This made me think of a post from 2 years ago by bubs as part of an ATH game, so i went and found it. he was answering this question

ATH:Round 5
Q.If someone from the current WWE roster was to end the Undertakers undefeated streak at mania, who would you give the honour to? and how would you have it happen?


and here is how he answered it

We should rob that for nexts years BWE Royal Rumble:pac::pac::pac: *bang bang

D2D

waltersobchak wrote: »

We should rob that for nexts years BWE Royal Rumble:pac::pac::pac: *bang bang

Shhhhh!!!! Jeez man, Don't give away future plots (keep them PM's);):pac:

JP Liz V1

I might be the only one but i actually prefer Morrison to the Miz. While there is no doubt that the Miz is "awesome" on the mic I just fail to see his appeal in the ring maybe he just needs a good decent singles feud. He was squashed by Cena and his feud with MVP just stopped. Anyways back to Morrison he got a great crowd reaction on SD last week when he confronted Swagger and even his promo wasnt too bad. He seemed more comfortable on the mic. I think he needs to engage the crowd more when he is on the mic maybe. I do think he will be a future world champion if not this year then next no doubt.

jaykhunter

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I might be the only one but i actually prefer Morrison to the Miz. While there is no doubt that the Miz is "awesome" on the mic I just fail to see his appeal in the ring maybe he just needs a good decent singles feud. He was squashed by Cena and his feud with MVP just stopped. Anyways back to Morrison he got a great crowd reaction on SD last week when he confronted Swagger and even his promo wasnt too bad. He seemed more comfortable on the mic. I think he needs to engage the crowd more when he is on the mic maybe. I do think he will be a future world champion if not this year then next no doubt.

no-one remembers the excellent match he had with him on the RAW afterwards....put me down for June 29, 2009 RAW but ya, after about 2 months of build-up, Cena squashed him badly at the PPV :( you didn't mention Morrison's got the best abs in the business!

DM_7

Morrison and Melina were a fantastic duo and Morrison would be a great heel if he was left as one.

I really think he could still become a World champ if booked as a heel.

glenjamin

I like Morrison as a babyface and think he could be Smackdown's top face if Edge gets drafted to Raw.

I remember during an interview last year just after he turned face he was so bad. It was like he was reading it off a videprinters and at times got the words mixed up. I think he's improved a lot since then, both on the mic and most defintely in the ring. He was hugely impressive in the Chamber and I was hoping he'd get a spot in the Money in the Bank match but unfortuntly he got put in a tag match with R-Truth which they were guaranteed to lose as soon as the match was made.

I think there's still hope for him yet. Rumour has it Orton will get drafted to Smackdown and from what I've heard Orton and Morrison are quite good friends so it could be a similar case of Sheamus getting a push cos he's mates with Triple H. Whether this is true or not I don't know but I do know that for me Morrison is the most entertaining wrestler in ring in the WWE right now and I really hope he gets the push he truely deserves.

Ridley

Morrison could easily be Smackdown's world champion (so he'll get traded to Raw), he just needs a consistent push.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdtwqjExjc

It's not like Jeff Hardy was cheered for his mic skills.

Angron

glenjamin wrote: »

Rumour has it Orton will get drafted to Smackdown and from what I've heard Orton and Morrison are quite good friends so it could be a similar case of Sheamus getting a push cos he's mates with Triple H. Whether this is true or not I don't know but I do know that for me Morrison is the most entertaining wrestler in ring in the WWE right now and I really hope he gets the push he truely deserves.

I'm not too fond of backstage stuff like this, but I do like Morrisons in ring work, so I suppose I wouldn't be too put out if it got him a bit of a push.. Just as long as the WWE doesn't force him down our throats all at once.

DM_7

Ridley wrote: »

Morrison could easily be Smackdown's world champion (so he'll get traded to Raw), he just needs a consistent push

It's not like Jeff Hardy was cheered for his mic skills.

That is a very good point.

I dismissed his face run a bit soon.

One thing I would suggest is he loses the wavy hair and grunges it up like when he was nitro. I know it suited him to change his style when he changed his ring name but I think he could change his look up a bit now.

paddyismaddy

he is most definitely a future champion im my eyes and if orton comes to smackdwon with the title in the draft i think these two could work a decent feud for the title

Handsome Bob

I really think he's terrible on the mic, he just sounds so forced. You can tell that he's just learnt a script off by heart and is carefully and blandly going through it to ensure that he makes no mistakes. Compare him to his old mate The Miz and I can tell you who is going to reach the Main Event first; it's The Miz. It annoys me to see people refer to him as a young HBK as he's absolutely NO where near the level of Shawn Michaels.

He of course has the talent in the ring, Benoit and Jeff Hardy proved you can get a title run based on what you do in the ring, but is he ever going to be a bonafide top superstar? I don't think so.

As for who should end the Undertaker's streak, it should be CM Punk. The guy has been a revelation since he's turned heel. I only watch these days for him, the Miz and Jericho. If the Undertaker is retiring within the next year or two then Punk is the one who is in the right position right now to break the streak. Absolutely brilliant on the mic and because of this he is absolutely hated by the crowd (it's not X-Pac heat), but he hasn't had the right opportunity to truly cement himself in the the top league alongside Cena, HHH, Orton, Edge and Jericho. Defeating the Undertaker at WM will put him there.

Morrison on the other hand, if he was to take the streak next year or in 2012, taking into account the level that he's CURRENTLY at, it would be such a waste.

DM_7

Good points LZ5by5.

In the ring he perform well so I imagine that and his look is where the young HBK comes from but its not his mic work that gets him that comparison.

You are also right about hs mic work sounding forced these days. I don't think they sounded like that back in his ecw days or his nitro days, so I think its more to do with his natural abilities are better suited to heel work or maybe just the material he gets.

I mean look at punks promos when he was a face, they were **** too. Its no surprise all the guys you (and me too) like watching are heels as heels always get the best lines in wwe. The promos the faces get written are pretty lame most of the time. Even the miz would have what is great about him cut if he was a good guy.

The only guys who get decent face material are the experenced guys who can say what they like wothout coming off as heels as they are so over like HBK, Taker or HHH.

JP Liz V1

I'm going give this thread a bump instead of starting a new one (a mod can change if need be) but do you think Morrison is finally ready for the main event considering next week on Raw he has his title match with the Miz?

I think maybe a manager or valet could help him as he isnt great on the mic or cutting promos

thoughts and opinions welcome

Rjd2

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I'm going give this thread a bump instead of starting a new one (a mod can change if need be) but do you think Morrison is finally ready for the main event considering next week on Raw he has his title match with the Miz?

I think maybe a manager or valet could help him as he isnt great on the mic or cutting promos

thoughts and opinions welcome

He still sounds really forced when he speaks, the material for the most part has been weakish, but someone like Cena knows how to get whatever material no matter how bad it is over.

I don't think they really trust him yet, as they seem to be blowing off his title match on TV rather than PPV.He may still end up challenging Miz for a Title match at Mania but if he does expect to see Orton their to provide the star power.

Its debatable how over he is really, he gets pops but nothing that ever rivals the top guys, even someone like Kofi seems more over than him and he has been booked very ordinary in the last year or so.

Jazzy

morrison would grow as a heel. macho man was good but when he went heel it was "omfg" - there is no dramatic anymore. if JM was to do the dickmove and **** ppl over the yeah - sound. as it is he is just overhyped then undersold. WWE dropping the ball over ****ty writing... steph? talent yeah?

CMpunked

I really started to like morrison over the last few months.

He has great ring skills.
I think he is one of very few on the roster who could probably pull out a decent old school 60 minute iron man match.

But in saying that, i wish they would give him a little character. He has essentially none.
I would love it if he got back with melina, blossoming relationship and then some cheeky heel took her out. Punk maybe. Gave the audience something to root for him.
I always liked how the wwe gave something to the matt/jeff wm storyline.

yeah sure, matt burning down jeffs house was a little ridiculous but without that happening (for real) then wwe wouldve had nothing.

I think it could be the same for morrison at the moment.
he needs that something.

parker kent

I'd love to see Morrison as a heel somewhat akin to Shawn Michaels first solo run. Have him as the egotistic superstar often seen in sports movies with girls, money etc. And have him hire an agent to do the talking for him (somebody like Paul Heyman, not necessarily Heyman but that type of pushy character). It is not that different from his MNM character so it would hardly be a stretch.

DM_7

I think Morrison is doing well ad I hope he becomes a star.

As a face I agree with CMPunked, he is missing that thing to make people root for him. I also think he would be better if he was a bit edgier, start bringing back the wet hair look he used to have. I get it hard to take him seriously with the Blow dryed hair and fur coat!

I am also glad to see his starship pain move take a back seat to the knee across the face finisher. He kept messing up the top rope move and also his new finisher is more suitable for him if he does indeed go heel at some stage.

But I can't see him going heel for a while on RAW, Maybe post mania if he went to Smackdown it would work but at the moment RAW has enough heels.

He is the outstanding candidate for MITB this year I think.

Furious-Red

Yea as people are saying he really needs a proper character to work on. His feud with Sheamus was pretty good (bar his promo's) . Would love if they made a HHH/HBK feud out of Miz and Morrison leading to them having a match at WM with Morrison taking the belt , but only if they put a lot of effort into the feud just for something different

JP Liz V1

I'm going give this thread another bump (a mod can change and start new one if need be) but what needs to be done with Morrison to help get him over with fans and build him up or has Melina's antics damaged him beyond repair in the WWE?

I think a heel turn and a manager someone like Vickie Guerrero could help him

I would like to see him have a decent feud which I expected he would have with Truth but that didnt happen maybe one with Punk, Miz or Rey

Thoughts?

SlickRic

the only thing that can save him is a manager.

he is not over, will not get over, and never has a chance of getting over without a mouthpiece because he has the personality of a pen-lid.

chopperbyrne

They seem to be breaking up Ziggler and Vicki, but it's unclear as to who will turn face because of it.

If Vicki ends up going face with Swagger, they could put Morrison with her too.

Morrison works better as a heel though.

A heel stable of Ziggler, Swagger and Morrison managed by Vicki would be great.

JP Liz V1

chopperbyrne wrote: »

They seem to be breaking up Ziggler and Vicki, but it's unclear as to who will turn face because of it.

If Vicki ends up going face with Swagger, they could put Morrison with her too.

Morrison works better as a heel though.

A heel stable of Ziggler, Swagger and Morrison managed by Vicki would be great.

Vickie a face :eek: dont think that will happen more likely Dolph will turn but I do agree a heel stable with Vickie, Swagger, JoMo and maybe Drew and Reks would be great

steelcityblues

I don't dislike Jo Mo, but I have never seen a lot to suggest he's a sure fire main eventer either.

He has had some decent in ring performances with WWE, but none yet I would put in the 'classic' label. Also, it was obvious that Miz was the better talker of the two, when he was tag teaming with him.

Don't think it is going to happen for him now, anyway.

Rjd2

The major problem with Jo Mo is his voice sounds like that of a boy who has yet to hit puberty, its a killer sadly.

Anyways better times, he was on fire back in 2009....

Awesome world title match with Jeff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wVKV7Exoig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxArzvg4dwI

His 4 star TV match with Rey


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbobu8_ic-title-morrison-vs-mysterio-sd-09_sport

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xboc4d_ic-title-morrison-vs-mysterio-sd-09_sport

Cracking Superstars match with Jericho

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xavwjq_wwe-superstars-11-06-2009-chris-jer_sport

chopperbyrne

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Vickie a face :eek:

They seemed to be trying to make her seem sympathetic on RAW, getting shoved to the floor and then Swagger coming to check on her.

JP Liz V1

chopperbyrne wrote: »

They seemed to be trying to make her seem sympathetic on RAW, getting shoved to the floor and then Swagger coming to check on her.

I think that was more to show Swagger "caring" for her maybe so Vickie will screw Ziggler out of his title in a match with Swagger later down the road. I think she has so much heel heat I cant imagine her as a face.

grames_bond

If anything it would be pushing to a ziggler face turn! theres no way they can turn vickie face - she has white hot heat!