Talking About Your Dad....

Motley Crue

So, just wanted to put this here and see what everyone thinks, because we're coming to a situation here where we've quite a lot of second and third generation wrestlers in the WWE.

Over the last few years we've seen the likes of Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes, Ted Jnr, David "Hart Smith" and Jim Neidhart's daughter Natalya to name but several come into the ring. Some are just starting out where as others have managed to maintain a constant success rate in their short time here.

But what I'm wondering is, that for us older WWF/E fans (as in, those of us old enough to remember Jake Roberts in his prime and the time Okerlund danced with that Turkey) how do you feel watching the sons of former greats wrestle in the ring?

Would it be better if they weren't billed as the son of such and such a legend and they had another name attached or do you expect them to be exactly like their Dad (Hart Smith's vertical holding suplex for example is a homage to his Dad)...is this just a fad on the other hand and in a couple of years, most of these 2nd or 3rd generation wrestlers will be on the Independent circuits and most of us will have forgotten them?

What is your opinion

flahavaj

Motley Crue wrote: »

So, just wanted to put this here and see what everyone thinks, because we're coming to a situation here where we've quite a lot of second and third generation wrestlers in the WWE.

Over the last few years we've seen the likes of Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes, Ted Jnr, David "Hart Smith" and Jim Neidhart's daughter Natalya to name but several come into the ring. Some are just starting out where as others have managed to maintain a constant success rate in their short time here.

But what I'm wondering is, that for us older WWF/E fans (as in, those of us old enough to remember Jake Roberts in his prime and the time Okerlund danced with that Turkey) how do you feel watching the sons of former greats wrestle in the ring?

Would it be better if they weren't billed as the son of such and such a legend and they had another name attached or do you expect them to be exactly like their Dad (Hart Smith's vertical holding suplex for example is a homage to his Dad)...is this just a fad on the other hand and in a couple of years, most of these 2nd or 3rd generation wrestlers will be on the Independent circuits and most of us will have forgotten them?

What is your opinion

I only want to see these guys working for WWE if they show that they have the talent to do so and the appetite for the business to go with it.

In fairness if guys don't have the stuff to make it in the big leagues and are there on the back of their name only, they'l get found out very very quickly. See examples like David Flair and Horace Hogan.

And in fairness to the 2nd/3rd gen talent that has made it to TV in the last few years, they've all proven themselves more than capable workers. Guys like DiBiase Jr, Cody and Smith are more than capable workers and could be something more if used correctly, while guys like Randy Orton are just brilliant. Certainly I doubt any of them will be banished to the indies.

I kinda like that they're using their family background as a hook to get them over initially. So many guys debut without any gimmick or direction (even Cena at the start for example) so they might as well use their real life circumstances as a way to get them over initially. If they have genuine talent like Orton or the Rock, their family background will soon become secondary to their unbelievable natural talents which will shine through anyway.

Its the guys that are stil relying on their family name 5 years into their career as their sole means of standing out from the crowd that I'd be most worried about.

Bounty Hunter

i thought this a while ago when this was posted but was too lazy to go through it all just yet... then flah did so um what he said.

flahavaj wrote: »

I only want to see these guys working for WWE if they show that they have the talent to do so and the appetite for the business to go with it.

In fairness if guys don't have the stuff to make it in the big leagues and are there on the back of their name only, they'l get found out very very quickly. See examples like David Flair and Horace Hogan.

And in fairness to the 2nd/3rd gen talent that has made it to TV in the last few years, they've all proven themselves more than capable workers. Guys like DiBiase Jr, Cody and Smith are more than capable workers and could be something more if used correctly, while guys like Randy Orton are just brilliant. Certainly I doubt any of them will be banished to the indies.

I kinda like that they're using their family background as a hook to get them over initially. So many guys debut without any gimmick or direction (even Cena at the start for example) so they might as well use their real life circumstances as a way to get them over initially. If they have genuine talent like Orton or the Rock, their family background will soon become secondary to their unbelievable natural talents which will shine through anyway.

Its the guys that are stil relying on their family name 5 years into their career as their sole means of standing out from the crowd that I'd be most worried about.

Tricity Bendix

Its certainly not a fad. Wrestling is and always has been a family business. Jake Roberts followed his dad into wrestling 40 odd years ago.

Being someone's son or daughter offers several advantages, such as a good idea about the mental strain and the dedication needed to succeed, a wealth of connections, and an immediate connection with the fans. Also, being immersed in wrestling from a young age should mean a high degree of mat sense and ring psychology, but this is not always the case (I'm looking at you, Lacey Von Erich).

Bounty Hunter

Tricity Bendix wrote: »

Its certainly not a fad. Wrestling is and always has been a family business. Jake Roberts followed his dad into wrestling 40 odd years ago.

Being someone's son or daughter offers several advantages, such as a good idea about the mental strain and the dedication needed to succeed, a wealth of connections, and an immediate connection with the fans. Also, being immersed in wrestling from a young age should mean a high degree of mat sense and ring psychology, but this is not always the case (I'm looking at you, Lacey Von Erich).

Yeah but she's hot... and with her family behind her and training her up she could be a real asset to the BWA roster :pac:

tbh talent wise the next generation of WWF kids have deserved the spot they have achieved imo. Not all attained the heights of The Rock or Orton but not many have the natural talent to ever get to that height. No matter how many David Flairs there are there are more people who have been good additions to my wrestling viewing than not out of this bunch.

I think Flah's point about them after a few years needing to be known as something other than someone son or daughter is important though, the ones who dont will be forgotten but hell even Lacey is probably more well known as a member of the beautiful people than being a Von Erich by the masses.

Tricity Bendix

Yeah, I'd agree that the current crop of WWE 2nd/3rd generation stars are of a pretty high quality. Now that Sim Snuka and that Samoan dude are gone, at least.

Its a shame that Nattie, one of the most talented women on the WWE roster, never gets a chance to wrestle.

As for making their own name, I was shocked when I first learnt Goldust was Dusty Rhodes' son.

Bounty Hunter

Tricity Bendix wrote: »

Its a shame that Nattie, one of the most talented women on the WWE roster, never gets a chance to wrestle.

Ive a feeling she will get a womens title push soon, id say it would be part of Brets return that the Hart Dynasty get pushed, first only by association as the focus is on Bret then with a tag push where she accompanies DH & Tyson,then she will get a solo push (well most likely solo as she doesent need backup with the Divas but they may accompany her).

D2D

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Ive a feeling she will get a womens title push soon, id say it would be part of Brets return that the Hart Dynasty get pushed, first only by association as the focus is on Bret then with a tag push where she accompanies DH & Tyson,then she will get a solo push (well most likely solo as she doesent need backup with the Divas but they may accompany her).

Nattie should be pushed like she is in this.;):):pac:

*Bang bang*