Not happy...'E'

alpina

Tyres without the 'E' mark.:mad::mad:
Have an NCT next month & just realised my tyres do not have the 'E' mark.
They are a set of Pirelli P6000 Sport Veloce in almost new condition. Car is an '81 BMW 6 series which only comes out with the sun, last year car only did 320 miles all year! & much the same year before hence the near perfect tyres. I have gone through my records & the car has covered 2, 150 miles in five years. So now presumably these should just go in the skip & I go buy four new ones, well unfortunately I'm just not loaded & could not justify throwing away perfect tyres. Between tax out at month end @ €1, 200 & approx €400 for new tyres it's looking a bit pricey for a w/end run about..
Well that's my little rant over, just feels like every which way one turns there is a hand out for €€€€

Cheers..

hi5

Brand new Coopers(US) on my Mustang and on my pickup truck.No E marks on either.
Mustang is exempt and the pickup is DOE,so I might be ok.

no1beemerfan

alpina wrote: »

Tyres without the 'E' mark.:mad::mad:
Have an NCT next month & just realised my tyres do not have the 'E' mark.
They are a set of Pirelli P6000 Sport Veloce in almost new condition. Car is an '81 BMW 6 series which only comes out with the sun, last year car only did 320 miles all year! & much the same year before hence the near perfect tyres. I have gone through my records & the car has covered 2, 150 miles in five years. So now presumably these should just go in the skip & I go buy four new ones, well unfortunately I'm just not loaded & could not justify throwing away perfect tyres. Between tax out at month end @ €1, 200 & approx €400 for new tyres it's looking a bit pricey for a w/end run about..
Well that's my little rant over, just feels like every which way one turns there is a hand out for €€€€

Cheers..

Are you sure yours has no E mark? I've the Pirelli P5000's on my car and they have the E mark. And the P6000's replaced the P5000's so I can't see why they wouldn't have the E mark.

ianobrien

Could you "borrow" wheels and tyres?;)

alpina

no1beemerfan wrote: »

Are you sure yours has no E mark? I've the Pirelli P5000's on my car and they have the E mark. And the P6000's replaced the P5000's so I can't see why they wouldn't have the E mark.

Believe me I've checked, inside/outside wall..

Could you "borrow" wheels and tyres?;)

Don't know anyone else with E12/E34 & anyhow with the new 01.01.80 NCT regulation have to NCT annualy from now on, will have to sort out at some stage..

:rolleyes:

unkel

Where did you source the tyres?

Anyway, isn't it a good idea to change tyres after 5 years or so even if they still look perfect and have very low mileage on them? Rubber deteriorates over time, same reason why cambelts usually need changing every 5 years or thereabouts.

But sorry it's gonna cost ya

macplaxton

Regardless of use, tyres degrade over time.

Going on the date code, I wouldn't fit anything older than 6 years and bin them at around 10.


But I'm still puzzled there's no E-mark on them ???

JohnDigital

The Sport Veloce seems to be an American market tyre according to this article below. Did you buy them here?

It is this clear characterisation of Powergy – as well as the
development, for the American market, of the all-season ” P6000
Sport Veloce” – which enables the P6000 ” family” to continue to be
today a global point of reference for the world’s car makers.

Taken from about half way though this page http://www.pirellityre.com/news/1999/page/2/

alpina

unkel wrote: »

Where did you source the tyres?

Anyway, isn't it a good idea to change tyres after 5 years or so even if they still look perfect and have very low mileage on them? Rubber deteriorates over time, same reason why cambelts usually need changing every 5 years or thereabouts.

But sorry it's gonna cost ya

They were on the rims when I got them, from a little research they are Australian based, but as of the climate difference they have different spec/requirements, hence the different coding on the tyres that makes no sense to me, but do not comply to the 'E' mark.

vw4life

I wouldn't be too worried,I had a car pass last week and one tyre had no E mark

atlantean

unkel wrote: »

Anyway, isn't it a good idea to change tyres after 5 years or so even if they still look perfect and have very low mileage on them? Rubber deteriorates over time,

Got to agree with this.

hankw

I have two Pirelli P6000s on my Peugeot 406 Coupe, which us goiing for the NCT very soon, and one of the Pirellis has the E mark, but the other one doesn't. Both tyres were made in Germany. The front two tyres are Dunlop and these are E marked.

Hank

spooky donkey

Yes put the car in you might get away with it. The NCT is not an exact sience for every thing. Under the new rules you fail for a bad bulb on your reg. I failed for this 5 years ago and when I said it to an NCT man recently he said they make mistakes all the time.

mate of mine had a good busniess plan set up a company that rents out sets of wheeles for NCT. Should put the premisis right next to the NCT center and all just to take the piss further....

This E mark thinkg worries me really where do they stop with it.... Could we see in a few years time that cars Built out side the EU will fail also? It sounds like a steping stone to getting us to pay even more money or only buy within the EU.

mustang68

spooky donkey wrote: »

This E mark thinkg worries me really where do they stop with it.... Could we see in a few years time that cars Built out side the EU will fail also? It sounds like a steping stone to getting us to pay even more money or only buy within the EU.

No, the E mark is so that your tyres, which are the most important part of your car, conform to regulations set down by the EU regarding, manufacturing, specifications and performance of your tyre as detailed in this large pdf: http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r030r3e.pdf

Car tyres with the E mark do not have to be made in the EU and the E mark has been in place since 2007.

galwaytt

mustang68 wrote: »

No, the E mark is so that your tyres, which are the most important part of your car, conform to regulations set down by the EU regarding, manufacturing, specifications and performance of your tyre as detailed in this large pdf: http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r030r3e.pdf

Car tyres with the E mark do not have to be made in the EU and the E mark has been in place since 2007.

Sorry, but I don't agree with that, for several reasons:

1. The absence of the E mark does not mean the tyre is inferior. It is conceivable in fact, that it is superior, in some respect. All the lack of an E mark tells us is that the mfr did not pay for the particular test to allow the tyre to carry it.
2. E mark has absolutely nothing to do with point of manufacture. E marked Toyo's are made in Japan. So what ?
3. When certain models of tyre go end-of life, and the new tyre is E-marked, but is not approved for your vehicle (Porsche N-rated would be an example), what do you do ?
4. As someone pointed out, what about a non-EU model vehicle, for which no such E-marked tyre exists ?

Yep, I see a rent-a-wheel service about to come up.

mustang68

1. The absence of the E mark does not mean the tyre is inferior. It is conceivable in fact, that it is superior, in some respect. All the lack of an E mark tells us is that the mfr did not pay for the particular test to allow the tyre to carry it.

You're quite correct, it just says it conforms to the specification set out in the documentation and displayed on the tyre.

2. E mark has absolutely nothing to do with point of manufacture. E marked Toyo's are made in Japan. So what ?

Right again, they can be made anywhere and have the E mark. Like the ce mark on consumer electronics or the British Safety Kite.

3. When certain models of tyre go end-of life, and the new tyre is E-marked, but is not approved for your vehicle (Porsche N-rated would be an example), what do you do ?

So the new tyre to replace the older one is E marked but not approved for the car?

4. As someone pointed out, what about a non-EU model vehicle, for which no such E-marked tyre exists ?

I would say that this won't be an issue. Tyre makers will want to cover all their bases (US makers apparently have the E mark on some of their tyres).

Yep, I see a rent-a-wheel service about to come up.

I do too, I'd be angry if I had to get four new tyres because some garage I bought hadn't been bothered to get E marked tyres.

antodeco

Ill have to check mine. I have a set of Eagle F1s at €160 per corner, and no way in hell am I replacing them! They are only about 6 months old too. Sure worst case scenario, I do have have other wheels!