Right turn onto Auburn Ave...on the never never

athtrasna

Far from being a two week closure as the initial signs promised...the turn is currently closed until further notice...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055862398

heffomike54

Wonder will it ever be re-opened?:(

Random

It's not that bad really going up and down the slip at the train station. The only problem is sometimes the lights can be a complete pain when they get out of sequence.

athtrasna

Random wrote: »

It's not that bad really going up and down the slip at the train station. The only problem is sometimes the lights can be a complete pain when they get out of sequence.

The problem is the extra volume on the N3 and in Castleknock these days. Even last week it was taking 10-15 mins to get from the Bell to the Park.

heffomike54

Random wrote: »

It's not that bad really going up and down the slip at the train station. The only problem is sometimes the lights can be a complete pain when they get out of sequence.

Fail to see when traffic lights where put in here anyway. Two roundabouts would surely have been cheaper and more effective.

Gaspode

heffomike54 wrote: »

Fail to see when traffic lights where put in here anyway. Two roundabouts would surely have been cheaper and more effective.

Roundabouts would be effective if anyone knew how or had the manners to use them properly. The previous roundabout was a disaster.

Random

If it's a choice between signal junction or signal roundabout I'll take junction anyday. The road is far too busy for a roundabout.

They should of course have an overpass / underpass but alas .. this is Ireland.

TskTsk

heffomike54 wrote: »

Fail to see when traffic lights where put in here anyway. Two roundabouts would surely have been cheaper and more effective.

Roundabouts do not work well

a. in close proximity to eachother,
b. where traffic flows at each entrance are not rougly equal, and
c. where their flow is halted by traffic lights

BostonB

Also where the number of lanes changes as you go around it.

littlebitdull

Random wrote: »

It's not that bad really going up and down the slip at the train station. The only problem is sometimes the lights can be a complete pain when they get out of sequence.

Your kidding me? For me coming from the river road - I used to go straight across and now I have to drive down the N3 - often hitting trafic - then across the bridge where only three cars at a time go through the lights - then back down the N3 - again hitting trafic.

So I don't get how you say its not bad really :rolleyes:

Or in the afternoon I have to come from work via the M50 ... and I really hit the sh1te traffic on the N3 then ....

ParkRunner

heffomike54 wrote: »

Fail to see when traffic lights where put in here anyway. Two roundabouts would surely have been cheaper and more effective.

I agree there is no real need to have the lights there as the volume of traffic is usually very light. Personally I usually take the risk and just ignore those lights as the visibility is fine, although I know someday an unmarked police car will see me doing it.

Random

traffic from river road and auburn would never get onto the n3 at peak times had there not been traffic lights in place ef. i'm not sure what you mean exactly?

littlebitdull - would rarely go down the river road so didn't take that side of things into account either i guess.

ParkRunner

Random wrote: »

traffic from river road and auburn would never get onto the n3 at peak times had there not been traffic lights in place ef. i'm not sure what you mean exactly?

I was talking about the traffic lights at the phoenix park train station so we may not be singing from the same hymn sheet.

Anytime I have used that train station I have been left sitting there for a good while at a red light with clearly no sign of traffic coming up the sliproad to my left or exiting the train station opposite, so I personally think they could remove the lights altogether at the entrance and exit to the train station and just let the traffic come to its own arrangement.

Random

sorry, think we're all on a different page. traffic lights beat roundabout at auburn / river road. as for the train station ... sensors on the lights or 2 mini roundabouts i guess would work better. as we have the lights there now i'll take sensors that work.

athtrasna

According to the radio this morning the right turn from the N3 inbound to Auburn Avenue will NOT be re-instated :mad:

sesna

heffomike54 wrote: »

Wonder will it ever be re-opened?:(

Temporary becomes permanent

BostonB

The whole Blanch N3/M50 junction is a disaster. I've been avoiding it for years. The only time I'll go near it is when its really off peak.

Gaspode

I though that the plan was if you're coming from M50 direction, take the slip road off to the left, under the new bridge, and emerge on New Dunsink Lane in front of the original gates to Little Chef. Turn right down the hill, and then straight through to Auburn avenue.
This at least means you're not sitting on a very busy road waiting to turn right (or get creamed from behind, whichever comes first).
The road markings and traffic lights are all in place there now, it looks very close to being ready to open up that junction again.

TheChrisD

Gaspode wrote: »

I though that the plan was if you're coming from M50 direction, take the slip road off to the left, under the new bridge, and emerge on New Dunsink Lane in front of the original gates to Little Chef. Turn right down the hill, and then straight through to Auburn avenue.

Yea, I think that's the plan as well. Although it does make me wonder a bit more what you're meant to do if coming from the N3. Are they expecting you to come off at Blanch and then go through the M50 roundabout to get to that slip road?

Pat Dunne

Hey folks just saw the following on Joan Burton's website.
http://www.joanburton.ie/?postid=1379

Joan Burton TD welcomes the opening of the next phase of the M50 N3 upgrade.

Regular users of the N3 Navan Road have become accustomed to the road works that have been part of the M50 and Auburn Ave upgrade over the last two years will be delighted to hear that from next Tuesday 13th July, the Auburn Avenue Junction will be re-opened in full when the new traffic lights signals and junction lay-out comes into operation.

The following day Wednesday 14th at 06:00am a significant inbound section of the M50 intersection (Dublin City direction) will be opened to motorists, I have included a map which you can download to see the operation of the new intersection lay out in full.

daymobrew

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Hey folks just saw the following on Joan Burton's website.
http://www.joanburton.ie/?postid=1379

It still looks like you cannot turn right onto Auburn Ave (see yellow route in map)

Pat Dunne

daymobrew wrote: »

It still looks like you cannot turn right onto Auburn Ave (see yellow route in map)

The Auburn junction is a complete dogs dinner, even after the upgrade. If Fingal Co. Co. had their act together they would have upgraded the Auburn Ave junction to include a fly over and slip roads so that the junction would be free flow and not dependent on traffic lights.

Gaspode

daymobrew wrote: »

It still looks like you cannot turn right onto Auburn Ave (see yellow route in map)

you can if you are coming off the current M50 roundabout - by going up the new road I mentioned a couple of posts back.
However, if you are fed onto the new underpass (which you will be if you are coming from further away than the scotts junction, you miss that little road and have to go up via the railway station.

jack presley

Gaspode wrote: »

you can if you are coming off the current M50 roundabout - by going up the new road I mentioned a couple of posts back.
However, if you are fed onto the new underpass (which you will be if you are coming from further away than the scotts junction, you miss that little road and have to go up via the railway station.

On the flyers they're handing out at the junction this evening, they still have you going up to the train station to come back down the other side to get from the N3 inbound to Auburn Avenue.

athtrasna

Changes due tomorrow delayed due to unforeseen circumstances according to Live Drive this evening on DCFM

Random

www.aaroadwatch.ie have confirmed the same athtrasna. they say they expect it done by weeks end.

LostinBlanch

athtrasna wrote: »

Changes due tomorrow delayed due to unforeseen circumstances according to Live Drive this evening on DCFM

Well I passed through the junction last night and later on this afternoon and didn't think it was anywhere near ready for opening by tomorrow morning. So it looks like it's going to be more delays for a couple of days at least.

blondie7

the new road is open and i think its great, it took me 15 minutes to get from Warrenstown to the Phoenix park this morning instead of the usual 40 minutes. Long may this continue

littlebitdull

Well I have to add that I too am delighted with the new junction. I am coming from the river road direction, and to get to my child's school I want to be able to go straight and so am glad to see we can.

I guess if your coming from blanch its a little more messy, but you just have to remember to head off on the new slip road to 'dunsink' then you can turn right at the end of that and go straight. its just gonna be a case of getting into a new habit.

Gaspode

I went by the junction on the 39 twice yesterday between 4 and 6:30pm, and on each occasion there were at least 3 cars queuing to turn right onto Auburn avenue despite the bloody big no right turn sign!

There were others doing the less dangerous but still not ideal thing of turning left onto New Dunsink Lane, and doing a U-turn immediately so that they could then drive straight across onto Auburn Avenue.

Could be messy here for a while.

BostonB

I don't use these major junctions that often. But always wondered why these new junctions are often not intuitive. Then it clicked today. A lot of the time, they've put the exit to go left on the right and the exit to go left on the right. It also means because the lanes then have to cross each other than one has to be elevated or dropped a lot more than you'd expect.

athtrasna

The N3 doesn't make a lot of sense at the moment that's for sure. As someone who approaches from the Snugborough Road slip I then have to try to cross to the far right lane (from the slip which is far left) in order to go straight on!! September will be a nightmare!

jack presley

athtrasna wrote: »

The N3 doesn't make a lot of sense at the moment that's for sure. As someone who approaches from the Snugborough Road slip I then have to try to cross to the far right lane (from the slip which is far left) in order to go straight on!! September will be a nightmare!

By September hopefully the whole junction will be open so you'll only have to get to the middle lane. The right lane will be for going on the M50S

Random

i like it how it is without the right turn inbound to auburn. i've used it a few times via travellodge and i think it works pretty well.

the main concern i'd have is the delays outbound which seem to be there everytime i look.

Heroditas

Random wrote: »

i like it how it is without the right turn inbound to auburn. i've used it a few times via travellodge and i think it works pretty well.

the main concern i'd have is the delays outbound which seem to be there everytime i look.

The main cause of the delay outbound now appears to be the way the lanes literally "shift right" after where Scott's Roundabout used to be. Very few people seem capable of following the lanes and insetad they slam on the brakes, causing delays all the way back to Auburn Avenue.

Hopefully with a lot of the northbound and southbound traffic on the M50 now bypassing the area of Scott's Roundabout when they join the N3, outbound traffic from Ashtown should have little trouble joining the main corridor of the N3 up by Blanchardstown.

Random

there's also an issue of lanes merging together just after the auburn lights northbound. more ****ing stupid road markings and cones which seem to be there just to annoy and confuse idiots.

BostonB

In fairness you've got to allow for people who only use those junctions rarely, and perhaps only once in a blue moon. For those people its a nighmare because it not very logical.

Being Irish you expect the signs to be wrong half the time. I don't entirely trsut them, and usually I'm right not to.

LittleLiam

I noticed there was a collision at the Auburn Avenue on Weds evening. Looked as though a car had been trying to make a right turn and an army truck had rammed into the back of it. Didn't look too clever. The first of many i'm sure!

Gaspode

LittleLiam wrote: »

I noticed there was a collision at the Auburn Avenue on Weds evening. Looked as though a car had been trying to make a right turn and an army truck had rammed into the back of it. Didn't look too clever. The first of many i'm sure!

Yeah, saw that. Army truck was always going to win that one!

It does highlight why the right turn was taken away; with that many lanes of traffic behind you, especially coming downhill off the overpass, you dont want to be stopped waiting to go right.

I would suggest more signage is needed, but people just ignore them anyway. Presumably they feel the signs dont apply to them as they are more important than the rest of us mere mortals.

BostonB

... or past experience has shown them that the signs are usually wrong. Which is my own experience of signs in Ireland. In this case, I wouldn't be expecting to go far left to make a right turn, and by the time you see that sign you're past it.

They need to direct people via a detour over the Pheonix park over pass under a no right turn sign. If the truck wasn't able to stop, thats the trucks fault. Doesn't help anyone hurt in an accident though.