Ireland 2010: applying for jobs which don't exist

Dionysus

Am I alone in being so pissed off at this?

It's incessant and worse than ever in the past year or so. For years recruitment companies have been advertising positions which don't exist just as a means to get more curricula vitae in/make themselves look busier than they are - and a visit to Loadzajobs, Irishjobs, jobs.ie or the rest confirms this.

Another tactic is to leave a genuine job up on one of these type of sites for ages after it has been filled in order to give the impression that there are more jobs out there than there actually are and give the sites in question more visits.

How am I to know which is a genuine advert and which is not, though, so I apply for it. After I go to the trouble of applying for it - and most jobs are looking for a lot of position-unique information (not just a general cv) - I get a polite response saying the position has already been filled (as happened in the past hour to an application I made two hours ago).

And then there's a third type of advertised job which doesn't exist: the public service one which is in reality going to be given to a friend of the person placing the job advert but for legal reasons all such jobs must be advertised. So, you put a load of time into applying for a job that you are not going to get no matter how good your CV is.


It's completely fúcked-up that in this economic environment we have this confederacy of jobs' websites, employers and recruitment firms intentionally wasting the time of thousands of job applicants every day and disillusioning them in the process. It's crap that these tactics are allowed to continue. There should be a means to at least blacklist as many of these organisations/people as possible.

/ rant over! :mad:

James Forde

i can haz job?

artanevilla

Try applying for jobs that DO exist?

bazmaiden

there were jobs and "dey took them"

squod

It's a fuhken headwrecker OP. I've even rung a few and got the ''whah johb''. Like they were snowed under. Muppets.

chopperbyrne

It's so annoying when you find a good job and apply for it and then a recruiter rings you back and asks you "So what kind of work are you looking for?"

The kind I just applied for jackass!

Dionysus

artanevilla wrote: »

Try applying for jobs that DO exist?

Try reading.

Kevin Bacon

"Its not what you know, its who you know"

Always been the problem in Ireland for job hunting, ain't ever gonna change.

nucking futs

Don't let dylano_k see this thread

Sheeps

There's loads of IT jobs out there, if you're not in IT then haahahhahahahaah.

Mister men

It's a well known recruitment ploy. My friends wife works for one of the main recruitment sites and she say's 70-80% of the jobs advertised out there are bogus including the ones advertised in her company. Disgusting wasting peoples time who are genuinely at their wits end.

alias141282

The whole situation at the moment is a fcuking joke.

For Forks Sake

Mister men wrote: »

It's a well known recruitment ploy. My friends wife works for one of the main recruitment sites and she say's 70-80% of the jobs advertised out there are bogus including the ones advertised in her company. Disgusting wasting peoples time who are genuinely at their wits end.

"Recruitment Consultants" will be first in line for shooting after my glorious revolution

Sheeps

alias141282 wrote: »

The whole situation at the moment is a fcuking joke.

Not really. I've been offered three pretty decent jobs ranging from €35k - €45k and I don't even graduate for another month and a half. Hell, I hadn't even started looking for a job yet. Heh, sucks to be you.

showboat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI

Dionysus

showboat wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI

That was original. Congratulations.:rolleyes:

Counter

Mister men wrote: »

It's a well known recruitment ploy. My friends wife works for one of the main recruitment sites and she say's 70-80% of the jobs advertised out there are bogus including the ones advertised in her company. Disgusting wasting peoples time who are genuinely at their wits end.

That's false advertising in a sense...

ejmaztec

There are some real jobs, but unfortunately, you have to work for feck all. Someone asked me for a reference last week for this one.

http://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=41947_5&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=71&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

Augmerson

Well, we did vote for Lisbon.

Job's should be along any minute now.

Yep.

Any minute now.

Dionysus

Speaking of conjobs I got a phonecall two days ago from a woman with an African accent. The first thing she said was that she saw my advert on Gumtree and she wants me to send her my cv straight away.

Yes, dodgy or what. Nobody ever asked me for that before and my advert is not exactly "cv-seeking" material. Anyway, I asked her which ad was she talking about and she said she'd have to check it and get back to me. I never received a call back. But I did contact Gumtree to let them know and gave them her (UK) phone number.

bonerm

The now famous clip....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf31q4TC790

Truth be told there was no job. I just put that flyer up there so I'd have something interesting to film with my expensive new digital camera.

Rented Mule

Augmerson wrote: »

Well, we did vote for Lisbon.

Herbal Deity

Sheeps wrote: »

Not really. I've been offered three pretty decent jobs ranging from €35k - €45k and I don't even graduate for another month and a half. Hell, I hadn't even started looking for a job yet. Heh, sucks to be you.

I must say, as an undergrad in a computing course, with the amount of paid internships on offer for this summer, it's hard to believe that we're in the middle of a recession sometimes.

It is quite nice, isn't it?

Son Of A Vidic

I hear ya OP, I've been down that road in the past. Now if this was the Ranting and Raving Forum I'd seriously let rip on this Thread. The dirty lying fcuking 8astards with their fake bullsh1t jobs that don't exist, the stupid cnuts.

gingelion

Yeah, its annoying, but i dont see how applying for a job is a load of hassle. Ya ring someone, ya type something, ya email someone. Its hardly ****in rocket science. And before anyone asks, i too, am jobless,

Jesus Wept

Same bullsh1t happens with letting agents using daft.
Leaving filled properties up in order to find people seeking accomodation.

ynotdu

gingelion wrote: »

Yeah, its annoying, but i dont see how applying for a job is a load of hassle. Ya ring someone, ya type something, ya email someone. Its hardly ****in rocket science. And before anyone asks, i too, am jobless,

OP You are speaking the truth!Why You are being attacked by response's like the above is beyond Me

I thought Lisbon voted for us{with a gun to our head by our EU 'partners'}

and was'nt it the Nice Treaty that expanded the amount of EU States?

I suppose to be fair some of these Job agencies staff get up to their 'tricks' in desperate attempts to keep their own tenious jobs.

K-9

Augmerson wrote: »

Well, we did vote for Lisbon.

Job's should be along any minute now.

Yep.

Any minute now.

Did you not apply for the EU Army and the abortion clinics?

€4 an hour too, none of this €1.84 crap.

Mister men

For Forks Sake wrote: »

"Recruitment Consultants" will be first in line for shooting after my glorious revolution

You'd be doing me a favour by shooting her. Nasty piece of work she is.:)

Fratton Fred

Herbal Deity wrote: »

I must say, as an undergrad in a computing course, with the amount of paid internships on offer for this summer, it's hard to believe that we're in the middle of a recession sometimes.

It is quite nice, isn't it?

That's it though. They will take people on on an internship and pay them a small amount, rather than take someone on permanent who they are then stuck with.

I searched on Irishjobs for a job and it came up with 26 in the whole country. As most of the agencies had the same job, there were really only about 12 roles, of which about 10 were earning around half of what I need to earn.

I applied for three roles, one of which doesn't exist and the other two were already filled.

ArseBurger

In Soviet Russia, job applies for you.

CreepingDeath

Herbal Deity wrote: »

I must say, as an undergrad in a computing course, with the amount of paid internships on offer for this summer, it's hard to believe that we're in the middle of a recession sometimes.

It is quite nice, isn't it?

Well as it says in the bible, the geeks shall inherit the earth.

bonerm

ArseBurger wrote: »

In Soviet Russia, job applies for you.

In capitalist Russia truth no longer rule.

Fuhrer

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That's it though. They will take people on on an internship and pay them a small amount, rather than take someone on permanent who they are then stuck with.

I searched on Irishjobs for a job and it came up with 26 in the whole country. As most of the agencies had the same job, there were really only about 12 roles, of which about 10 were earning around half of what I need to earn.

I applied for three roles, one of which doesn't exist and the other two were already filled.

Its great to watch though, "Well, they hired me on a temporay basis and a low wage to do pick up all the slack with the express understanding that I was out the door in a few months with no benefits, There must be loads of jobs then!"

Dionysus

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That's it though. They will take people on on an internship and pay them a small amount, rather than take someone on permanent who they are then stuck with.

Nail on the head there.

For Forks Sake

Mister men wrote: »

You'd be doing me a favour by shooting her. Nasty piece of work she is.:)

I'll make sure her name is on the list of Enemies Of The State

humanji

Dionysus wrote: »

Try reading.

Wow, first the housing bubble bursts, then the jobs disappear. Now people are taking posts in AH seriously. The country must really be f*cked.

Dionysus

gingelion wrote: »

Yeah, its annoying, but i dont see how applying for a job is a load of hassle. Ya ring someone, ya type something, ya email someone. Its hardly ****in rocket science. And before anyone asks, i too, am jobless,

From the OP: 'most jobs are looking for a lot of position-unique information (not just a general cv)'

Nobody is saying it's "rocket science" but when you're applying for jobs which demand unique answers - e.g. what would you do in situation X; how would you manage in circumstance Y, and so forth - it's definitely very time-consuming. And then there are the uniquely tailored, although less time-consuming, covering letters on top of each of these.

Sending off a cv and changing a line or two on it beforehand is not the problem.

starfish12

if the job was advertised on a site like recruit ireland or irish jobs try reporting the recruitment agency to irish jobs, ive done it in the past...they certainly used to claim that they would freeze any agencies account for posting multiple job ads for the same job, so might apply if you can prove (with the rejection email they send you saying its filled) that the ad is still there even tho the agency is claiming its a 'real job'

speedboatchase

Do NOT go to a recruitment agency - that's the advice of someone lucky enough to get a job a month ago. All the agencies (4) I went to all mentioned the main job they wanted to put me forward for - it was the same job! And other places I had applied rang me up to tell me about hte role - exact same job. Thank god you can "exclude agencies" in these websites because they're all talking out their hole right now

laoisman11

bonerm wrote: »

The now famous clip....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf31q4TC790

Truth be told there was no job. I just put that flyer up there so I'd have something interesting to film with my expensive new digital camera.

Took me a while to realise they were queuing for the building next to the shop.....What were they actually queuing for?

TitoPuente

Recruitment agents are parasites. Why are they even necessary? Companies and their HR departments will be more than happy to tell you what positions they have open at any given time, so just go directly to them and cut out the middleman.

Dudess

In the case of jobs advertised that mention the name of the company/you can guess what company they're talking about, just ring the companies directly, don't bother with recruiters - they were handy two years ago, absolutely no use to you now.

General Zod

laoisman11 wrote: »

Took me a while to realise they were queuing for the building next to the shop.....What were they actually queuing for?

The building next door is Spar's headquarters, and they were applying for jobs in Spars all over the city.

Recruitment Agencies did brilliant for me.. I sent my cv directly to the company I work for now and got no reply. Got the job through cpl then Even got the girl in there a bottle of wine.

NothingMan

I went from leaving cert to college while having a part time job throughout then a week after I finished my final exams I went to an agency, she set me up for 2 interviews and I got offered the first job a few hours after my second interview. Still here 4 years later.

All this would be great except every 2nd thread on AH is about recession and unemployment and I just feel so left out. Spare a moment for the emplyed people of AH and how in a nation full of begrudgery we have very little to begrudge.

Well... At least there's the Public Sector threads, lazy bastards.

ya-ba-da-ba-doo

I remember my uncle laughing when he saw his own position advertised in the paper knowing that it was just his company doing it just to look busy. Pretty pathetic on the company's part really.

BigEejit

ynotdu wrote: »

I suppose to be fair some of these Job agencies staff get up to their 'tricks' in desperate attempts to keep their own tenious jobs.

Yeah saw that over here in the UK recently. A small agency I passed on my way to the train station had a window full of jobs every time I passed it (every couple of days). It went out of business about a month ago ... and it still had all those ads in the window....

Dionysus

Detukerjabs! wrote: »

DEY TUK ER JABS!
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::P:pac:

Idiot.