HDip in education, business

Cheers!

Hi all,

I'm looking for some advice, I'd like to go back to college to become a secondary school teacher.

I'm a UL graduate in Business Studies but I'm worried my grades won't be good enough as I got a 2.2 degree. However I'm hoping my saving grace will be that I should have my chartered accounting exams finished by the time I apply in December 2010.

I willing to go to the UK but would prefer Ireland, I would go anywhere in the country.

I assume I'll be better going for a college that does interviews as my grades won't cut the points process? Or would my chartered accounting qualification get me points?

Also I'm over 23 so I'm just wondering what I'd need to qualify for the grant?

Thanks a million to anyone with information!!

pathway33

UL and Trinity are your interview based Hdips (PGDEs). Tha accounting exams will stand to you in an interview as they would be regarded as being at masters level but PAC still wouldn't give you the 6 points for the masters.

GTTR is the website for UK applications. A lot of irish seem to do the business studies PGCE in Edge Hill which is near enough to Liverpool

EDIT: DCU do the part-time 2 year hdip. Interview too

Cheers!

pathway33 wrote: »

UL and Trinity are your interview based Hdips (PGDEs). Tha accounting exams will stand to you in an interview as they would be regarded as being at masters level but PAC still wouldn't give you the 6 points for the masters.

GTTR is the website for UK applications. A lot of irish seem to do the business studies PGCE in Edge Hill which is near enough to Liverpool

EDIT: DCU do the part-time 2 year hdip. Interview too

Ok thnx a mil for the info, would I have no hope with the points system so no?!
I know they're popular courses and so many people are applying!

pathway33

Cheers! wrote: »

Ok thnx a mil for the info, would I have no hope with the points system so no?!
I know they're popular courses and so many people are applying!

With a 2.2 according to http://www.pac.ie/pgdeinfo/PointsCalc.php?inst=pe you have 41 points max. For business this year according to this http://www.pac.ie/pgdeinfo/points.php?inst=pe you need 49 points. However the points may be lower next year as current applicants have been able to add between 1 and 8 points for teaching hours gained. That is being done away with next year.

Also you are probably ACA but CIMA have recently had their qualification recognised as being at masters level. There used to be a thesis available in the UK a few years ago whereby ACCA affiliates could gain a masters just by doing it.

There some college in france handing out masters to accounting affiliates after a short period but no idea of the name. They are connected to one of the accounting bodies though.

In a nutshell see if there is an easy way to get the 6 extra points. Might be enough to get you in next year. Otherwise you'll have no problem getting into the uk.

Cheers!

'Otherwise you'll have no problem getting into the uk.'

I can't thank you enough for the info! Ya I am doing chartered so its ICAI alright.

Can I just clarify, you are saying its easier to get in2 the UK? I won't have to worry about my degree results? Also I heard there was a quota of business teachers in the Uk?

Thanks again!

Miss Lockhart

pathway33 wrote: »

With a 2.2 according to http://www.pac.ie/pgdeinfo/PointsCalc.php?inst=pe you have 41 points max. For business this year according to this http://www.pac.ie/pgdeinfo/points.php?inst=pe you need 49 points.

Don't you need the exact percentage to work out the points?

For most courses a 2.2 is between 50 and 59% - so that could be anwhere from 37 to 41 points (if it is an honours degree, which i assume it is).

Edit: Sorry, just noticed the word "max" there for the first time. So, yes 41 max but could be down to 37.

Good luck Cheers! - it is tough for Business grads at the moment here.

pathway33

Cheers! wrote: »

Can I just clarify, you are saying its easier to get in2 the UK? I won't have to worry about my degree results? Also I heard there was a quota of business teachers in the Uk?

Thanks again!

It's true that things are more competitive for business teachers than say maths teachers in the UK but your qualifications and even with no experience you would get into the PGCE in the UK 'no problem' unless you turn into a complete mess during your 5 minute presentation at the interview.

If you weren't fussy where you went in the UK you may still get in for starting in september 2010

Also theres the flexible PGCE option where you could do some study from home in ireland and hop over for the 8 or 10 week school placements (24 weeks in total i think but spread out if on the flexible route)

Cheers!

Your help has ben super lads tnx a mil!! I can't go to bed here with the excitement of it all! I'd have no bother going to the UK so mayb its the way to go! Tnx again!

Plumella

Hi OP

I am a qualified chartered accountant and this was recognised by PAC this year when I applied although I am not sure how many points were given for it. I have been lucky enough to get the course in UCD.

Maybe try and get some teaching experiance which will help your Trinity/ UL application.

patann

Well done Plumella,

How many points do you think you might have got for it, I would imagina at least masters levels points if not more since they are difficult external exams.

Do you know if the department of education recognise it at masters level on the teaching pay scale? Hope they do for you after all that work.

Pat