Holywood blast; an admission of defeat already.

gerajella

The bomb blast at Holywood barracks by republican dissidents last night, hould be condemned without equivocation, as i do now by writing this. It's an effective admission by it's perpetratrators of their failure to convince anyone of their ends. It's cowardice of a pure form and will not get them a single inch forward in their aims..

McNulty32

Regardless of opinion, it proved that republicans were able to create, transport and detonate a powerful bomb outside the Brits most functional and active bases in the North of Ireland, a successful outcome for those who carried it out I'd reckon.

As Pearse said 'Ireland unfree will never be at peace', he wasnt wrong

Jaap

McNulty32 wrote: »

Regardless of opinion, it proved that republicans were able to create, transport and detonate a powerful bomb outside the Brits most functional and active bases in the North of Ireland, a successful outcome for those who carried it out I'd reckon.

As Pearse said 'Ireland unfree will never be at peace', he wasnt wrong

Yeah...these dissident republicans are great...and hard at that...making a taxi driver transport the bomb to Palace Barracks!
They always hide behind innocent people like the the taxi driver or darkness!
As for Pearse's statement...the people of the Republic and Northern Ireland are free...they haven't had it as good!..even with the recession!
Maybe his saying should have been "Ireland will always have numpties out there willing to bomb and kill who will never listen to democracy and the people's wishes!"

Tea drinker

It's great that these guys were so on the ball to protest us from the greatest treason this state has faced.

These bombers they are not acting in the best wishes of the Irish people, so they should keep out of our business

Anyway the politics of the gun is irrelevant, just like voters.
The gap between true patriots and the morally and financially corrupt "Royal Family" and hangers on is immense. These guys are just a manic sideshow on our topsy turvy path to a real, grown up state.

moonpurple

a blast from the past, from those living in a past that never existed,

yes there are lots of rira and cira people, they are in every country in europe...except there they are known by the traditional name in those countries: criminals

McNulty32

moonpurple wrote: »

a blast from the past, from those living in a past that never existed,

yes there are lots of rira and cira people, they are in every country in europe...except there they are known by the traditional name in those countries: criminals

Yes much like De Valera, Michael Collins, Sean Lemass and most of the others who founded this state, by your logic criminals because they were involved in armed insurgency

bmaxi

I've often wondered if, should Sinn Fein ever secure the majority vote in N. Ireland and decide they didn't want the bunch of crooks running this state to be involved in running that one. Would the CIRA or RIRA or whatever bunch of thugs is around at the time, still be running around blowing things up.
My guess is yes, Irish freedom is only on their terms.

Dannyboy83

McNulty32 wrote: »

Regardless of opinion, it proved that republicans were able to create, transport and detonate a powerful bomb outside the Brits most functional and active bases in the North of Ireland, a successful outcome for those who carried it out I'd reckon.

As Pearse said 'Ireland unfree will never be at peace', he wasnt wrong

McNulty32 wrote: »

Yes much like De Valera, Michael Collins, Sean Lemass and most of the others who founded this state, by your logic criminals because they were involved in armed insurgency

Didn't they recently issue death threats against Gerry Adams?

Liam Byrne

The people of Ireland are free to choose who rules them.....unfortunately not frequently enough, but I guess we can't have everything.

So those thugs that decided to do this disagree with who's running the country ? I can think of lots of people who think the same in this country!

So am I entitled to plant a bomb somewhere ?

ANSWER : Absolutely not!

Zambia

McNulty32 wrote: »

Yes much like De Valera, Michael Collins, Sean Lemass and most of the others who founded this state, by your logic criminals because they were involved in armed insurgency

Yes by the laws of ireland at the time those men where criminals. However the cause they supported over time gathered people around them and became popular. In a democracy the will of the majority becomes law, hence they where able to live freely (and rule) as the majority followed them.

However in the case of the north over the last 40 years the cause these yahoos have been fighting for has never been close the the same level of support.

FFS give it up...the horse is dead stop flogging the f**king thing.

Stinicker

As long as our Northern corner is under British rule then there will never be an end to violence against the establishment, the forces of occupation deserve what they get and are legitimate targets in a fight for freedom. Now killing a bunch of Catholic civilians is another story all together.

If Irish people were as gutless and as self centred in the early part of the 20th century as they are today then we would all still be under british rule, they won't even rebel against the forces of Fianna Fail corruption now in the south and yet the liberal ignoramuses condemn those fighting for freedom and democracy in the North... Hypocrites.

ktc1

Stinicker wrote: »

As long as our Northern corner is under British rule then there will never be an end to violence against the establishment, the forces of occupation deserve what they get and are legitimate targets in a fight for freedom. Now killing a bunch of Catholic civilians is another story all together.
If Irish people were as gutless and as self centred in the early part of the 20th century as they are today then we would all still be under british rule, they won't even rebel against the forces of Fianna Fail corruption now in the south and yet the liberal ignoramuses condemn those fighting for freedom and democracy in the North... Hypocrites.

How about a bunch of Protestant civilians, no problems with that then, feck 'em they're not part of any democracy ? And "fighting for demoocracy", thanks for the laugh. Do you seriously believe that a majority of the Nationalist community support these lunatics? If I recall correctly an overwhelming majority of the Nationalist community supported the Good Friday Agreement, democracy in action a chara.

McNulty32

ktc1 wrote: »

How about a bunch of Protestant civilians, no problems with that then, feck 'em they're not part of any democracy ? And "fighting for demoocracy", thanks for the laugh. Do you seriously believe that a majority of the Nationalist community support these lunatics? If I recall correctly an overwhelming majority of the Nationalist community supported the Good Friday Agreement, democracy in action a chara.

The republican cause is not a religous nor sectarian one, it has absolutely nothing to do with religion, it just so happens that those that vehemently support British rule on this Island are of the Protestant faith, and they are as much a victim in all this as their nationalist neighbors, as they are used as scapegoats by the British government to bolster the Unionist veto and extreme religous sects that abuse their fears and prejudices to keep their churches full.

Traditional republicanism was founded mainly by those of the Protestant faith, Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmet, Henry Joy McCraken, it would be hypocritical of a republican to be sectarian when you consider this, republicanism is about establishing a Republic that will allow true freedom for the Irish people regardless of their religion or creed, and forcing a British withdrawal from this Island is pivotal in establishing that republic, now if those of the Protestant faith facilitate British rule and pose a threat to the Irish people, then they are our enemies and legitimate targets, the same would go for a Catholic, Muslim or Jew.

And by the way the GFA was a lemon that was sold to people, it has nothing to national sovereignty, it was merely a sectarian headcount to make way for other sectarian headcounts, it did nothing for the people of this island, infact most people would regret even considering voting yes for the GFA now after all the problems it has caused.

moonpurple

GFA? does that mean 'greedy feckin animals',

wrapping our tricolour around tax free criminal lifestyles such as smuggling tobacco?

or does it refer to the Good Friday Agreement which is always worth a wiki search

the rira and cira are all over the world, bitter feuding small minded people, living in a permanent ice age of spite and sneakiness

other examples of the cira and rira would be the KKK, the nazi brownshirts, the Italian blackshirts, eugene terreblanche and his buddies,

bigots, sectarian, as relevant to our society as the y2k bug

the courageous people you mention above are as close to the cira and rira as this planet is to mars

It wasn't me!

McNulty32 wrote: »

now if those of the Protestant faith facilitate British rule and pose a threat to the Irish people, then they are our enemies and legitimate targets, the same would go for a Catholic, Muslim or Jew.

Now, by this logic, anyone who votes for a pro-union party in the Northern Assembly or ideologically supports the retention of British rule in Northern Ireland is a legitimate target. Be very, very clear an unequivocal when I ask you, do you think voters are legitimate targets if they vote for a cause you do not support?

ktc1

McNulty32 wrote: »

The republican cause is not a religous nor sectarian one, it has absolutely nothing to do with religion, it just so happens that those that vehemently support British rule on this Island are of the Protestant faith, and they are as much a victim in all this as their nationalist neighbors, as they are used as scapegoats by the British government to bolster the Unionist veto and extreme religous sects that abuse their fears and prejudices to keep their churches full.

Traditional republicanism was founded mainly by those of the Protestant faith, Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmet, Henry Joy McCraken, it would be hypocritical of a republican to be sectarian when you consider this, republicanism is about establishing a Republic that will allow true freedom for the Irish people regardless of their religion or creed, and forcing a British withdrawal from this Island is pivotal in establishing that republic, now if those of the Protestant faith facilitate British rule and pose a threat to the Irish people, then they are our enemies and legitimate targets, the same would go for a Catholic, Muslim or Jew.

And by the way the GFA was a lemon that was sold to people, it has nothing to national sovereignty, it was merely a sectarian headcount to make way for other sectarian headcounts, it did nothing for the people of this island, infact most people would regret even considering voting yes for the GFA now after all the problems it has caused.

What mandate does CIRA or RIRA have today for any ongoing violence?
What proof do you have for your assertion about "in fact" most people regretting voting for the GFA?

In case you need any help the answer to both questions is "none whatsoever"

You want a 32 county republic and believe that violence is justified in achieving those means. The overwhelming majority of people north and south do not accept your war and have voted accordingly. You refuse to accept the will of the people of today's Ireland unless it accords with your own world view which appears to be based on the Ireland of 1918. There may well be a 32 county republic in the next few generations but it will be by consent.

Bottle_of_Smoke

ktc1 wrote: »

What proof do you have for your assertion about "in fact" most people regretting voting for the GFA?

Have a cousin involved in Sinn Fein. During the MEP election campaigns a lot of people from nationalist areas accused them of selling them out when they called to the door.

It was sold as a stepping stone to the reunification of Ireland. Its beginning to dawn on people that the demographics of the six counties mean the GFA cannot possibly lead to reunification.

ktc1

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Have a cousin involved in Sinn Fein. During the MEP election campaigns a lot of people from nationalist areas accused them of selling them out when they called to the door.

It was sold as a stepping stone to the reunification of Ireland. Its beginning to dawn on people that the demographics of the six counties mean the GFA cannot possibly lead to reunification.

Anecodatal evidence of some voter discontent does not constitute proof that the majority regret their vote.

It wasn't sold like that to the Unionist community It enshrined the principle of consent. If demographics change in the north and if (and even then that's a big if) the majority want reunification it will happen.

Bottle_of_Smoke

ktc1 wrote: »

Anecodatal evidence of some voter discontent does not constitute proof that the majority regret their vote.

It wasn't sold like that to the Unionist community It enshrined the principle of consent. If demographics change in the north and if (and even then that's a big if) the majority want reunification it will happen.

What the f*ck do you want? A scientific study? Its a discussion board for crying out loud I was just trying to show you where the poster was coming from.

moonpurple

DECLARATION OF SUPPORT
1. We, the participants in the multi-party negotiations, believe that the
agreement we have negotiated offers a truly historic opportunity for a new
beginning.
2. The tragedies of the past have left a deep and profoundly regrettable
legacy of suffering. We must never forget those who have died or been
injured, and their families. But we can best honour them through a fresh
start, in which we firmly dedicate ourselves to the achievement of
reconciliation, tolerance, and mutual trust, and to the protection and
vindication of the human rights of all.
3. We are committed to partnership, equality and mutual respect as the
basis of relationships within Northern Ireland, between North and South,
and between these islands.
4. We reaffirm our total and absolute commitment to exclusively
democratic and peaceful means of resolving differences on political
issues, and our opposition to any use or threat of force by others for any
political purpose, whether in regard to this agreement or otherwise

Poccington

McNulty32 wrote: »

Regardless of opinion, it proved that republicans were able to create, transport and detonate a powerful bomb outside the Brits most functional and active bases in the North of Ireland, a successful outcome for those who carried it out I'd reckon.

As Pearse said 'Ireland unfree will never be at peace', he wasnt wrong

Yeah, so powerful that the only person injured by the bombing was an innocent, elderly man.

Way to stick it to the Brits.

Amhran Nua

One of the very few areas where the current and previous governments did a decent job was with the North - we need to be able to show that the Republic is welcoming to all traditions, and the scars of the past can be let go by everyone concerned. Those responsible for this attack have done nothing but set back the goal of a brighter common future for North and South, so I don't know what or who they think they represent.

LordSutch

I presume the scumbags that planted that bomb are the same scumbags that murdered a policeman & two soldiers last year? if so, I hope & pray that when the police catch them, they lock em up & throw away the keys (hunger strike, or no hunger strike).

Dannyboy83

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Now, by this logic, anyone who votes for a pro-union party in the Northern Assembly or ideologically supports the retention of British rule in Northern Ireland is a legitimate target. Be very, very clear an unequivocal when I ask you, do you think voters are legitimate targets if they vote for a cause you do not support?

Any chance of an answer to this McNulty32

McNulty32

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Any chance of an answer to this McNulty32

No I dont, legitimate targets are obvious, those that vote in elections are hardly legitimate

Dannyboy83

McNulty32 wrote: »

No I dont, legitimate targets are obvious, those that vote in elections are hardly legitimate

Can you clarify what legitimate targets are?

Obviously, British troops, bases and intelligence are considered legitimate.

What else?
PSNI?
Sinn Fein?

casey junior

McNulty32 wrote: »

The republican cause is not a religous nor sectarian one, it has absolutely nothing to do with religion, it just so happens that those that vehemently support British rule on this Island are of the Protestant faith, and they are as much a victim in all this as their nationalist neighbors, as they are used as scapegoats by the British government to bolster the Unionist veto and extreme religous sects that abuse their fears and prejudices to keep their churches full.

Traditional republicanism was founded mainly by those of the Protestant faith, Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmet, Henry Joy McCraken, it would be hypocritical of a republican to be sectarian when you consider this, republicanism is about establishing a Republic that will allow true freedom for the Irish people regardless of their religion or creed, and forcing a British withdrawal from this Island is pivotal in establishing that republic, now if those of the Protestant faith facilitate British rule and pose a threat to the Irish people, then they are our enemies and legitimate targets, the same would go for a Catholic, Muslim or Jew.

And by the way the GFA was a lemon that was sold to people, it has nothing to national sovereignty, it was merely a sectarian headcount to make way for other sectarian headcounts, it did nothing for the people of this island, infact most people would regret even considering voting yes for the GFA now after all the problems it has caused.

God help Ireland with neanderthals like you around.
Ireland unfree of Bigots shall never be at peace and shall never deserve to be.

Morpheus

McNulty32 wrote: »

No I dont, legitimate targets are obvious, those that vote in elections are hardly legitimate

So, do you condone their use of an innocent taxi driver to drive the bomb to its location under the threat of being shot by security forces or blown up if the bomb went off prematurely?

Do you also condone the injuries an elderly man recieved walking past as these scumbags and traitors to their own community set the bomb off with very little warning?

Dont skirt around these questions... answer them please.... :mad:

ktc1

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

What the f*ck do you want? A scientific study? Its a discussion board for crying out loud I was just trying to show you where the poster was coming from.

Yes I do. The poster made a completely false assertion that he couldn't back up. I called him out on it. Your anecdotal post doesn't change that. I wasn't taking a swipe at you, I was pointing out that he is "coming from" a place of ignorance and wilful misrepresentation to try and justify mindless violence.

FTA69

Using a civilian to transport explosives is a f*cking disaster waiting to happen, did they forget the damage that the Patsy Quinn incident did to Irish Republicanism like?

That having been said, for all the talk of "evil murderers" it's worth mentioning the organisation within that building are responsible for the death of countless Irish civilians north and south of the border and have been implicated in sponsoring death squads.