Wikileaks to release new video showing murder of scores of Afghan civilians

digme

Seems wikileaks is the only news site you should trust these days to do honest journalism.

What the US were saying when the news broke last year of the casualties:
“We do everything we can to avoid civilian casualties. When the insurgents embed themselves amongst the population, this makes it very difficult. But we ask our commanders to use proportionality and restraint, especially among the populated areas and consider other options.”

When this video comes out in a day or 2 they won't have a leg to stand on,about time someone showed who the real terrorists are.

This is the report of the bombardment.

Wikileaks Video to be added soon.

dvpower

The Irish Times had an article at the weekend flagging this.

On March 23rd, tweets from the WikiLeaks account included some alarming messages: “WikiLeaks is currently under an aggressive US and Icelandic surveillance operation. Following/photographing/ filming/detaining”; and “If anything happens to us, you know why: it is our Apr 5 film. And you know who is responsible.”

Manic Moran

Wikileaks Video to be added soon.

Can't wait to see the bias-free editorialising at the beginning, if the reuters one is anything to go by.

(I will retract that statement if the editorialising was done by 'collateralmurder.com')

NTM

northwest100

Manic Moran wrote:

Can't wait to see the bias-free editorialising at the beginning...

Doesn't seem to matter how many innocent civilians get murdered over there by the military industrial complex, we'll always have people like you trying to justify and belittle the loss of life.

Manic Moran

I'm not belittling the loss of life. I'm belittling the manner in which the last video was released to great fanfare, and two or three minutes of blatant emotionalism before we got to the actual facts.

The facts are neutral. It's how you present them that can draw scorn.

NTM

anymore

northwest100 wrote: »

Doesn't seem to matter how many innocent civilians get murdered over there by the military industrial complex, we'll always have people like you trying to justify and belittle the loss of life.

I dont wish to defend US atrocities in any way, but for the sake of balance, by far the biggest number of murders of inncoent civilians have been committed by the Shiite and Sunny militias. It was ethnic cleansing and not US atrocities that has been the biggest killer in Iraq in recent years. The reason for going to war in Iraq were dishonest, the post war planning almost non existent, but the years of inter communal warfare resulted from inside Iraq.

SLUSK

For anyone Irish it should be obvious that the British and American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan is a modern day reincarnation of the "Black and tans".

northwest100

anymore wrote:

I dont wish to defend US atrocities in any way, but for the sake of balance, by far the biggest number of murders of inncoent civilians have been committed by the Shiite and Sunny militias.It was ethnic cleansing and not US atrocities that has been the biggest killer in Iraq in recent years.

The current sectarian tensions within Iraq can be attributed to the military's Divide and conquer strategy, which helps keep Iraq weak and dependant upon the US to provide security.

More instability helps the US argue their indefinite military occupation and control over the country's valuable resources. (specifically oil..what else?)

Instability was caused in a number of ways.

Disbanding the Iraqi military but still allow soldiers access to stockpiles of weaponry.
Disbanding the police which allowed mass looting and destruction of property by the local population.
Disbanding the border guards allowing influx of potential insurgents and free movement of drug / human traffickers.

Basically dissolving the structures which kept law and order resulting in total anarchy.

Other examples are often considered conspiracy theories, but can hardly be dismissed given past revelations.

Consider driving around disguised as a Sunni planting car bombs in Shiite areas...not such a bad technique for causing problems either, is it?

So while baghdad was being looted and reduced to rubble with no police or army left...what were the US military busy doing?

God only knows..maybe searching for chemical weapons?

No, they were protecting the ministry for oil of course, what else?
It was practically the only thing untouched..

The reason for going to war in Iraq were dishonest, the post war planning almost non existent, but the years of inter communal warfare resulted from inside Iraq.

For me, everything about the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions were dishonest..

It's fair to say current inter communal conflict within Iraq has resulted mainly from the 2003 invasion.
Even though it existed before..it was nowhere near the level it is now, not even close.

Would you not agree this is all really just a war for energy in that region while they continue to tell us it's a war on terror?

And remember, this whole so-called war isn't in anyway for your benefit, it's for the benefit of the companies involved making profits off it.

blinding

Killing people does not seem a good way to make alliances and friends.

I am just an ordinary guy though so what would I know ?

iceage

SLUSK wrote: »

For anyone Irish it should be obvious that the British and American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan is a modern day reincarnation of the "Black and tans".

How for the love of Larry did you come to that conclusion? I have to say the ability to drag an International incident in particular the war in Iraq and Afghanistan off topic and back to the dark days of the black n tans in Ireland is some achievement. Well done, take the rest of the day off.

SLUSK

iceage wrote: »

How for the love of Larry did you come to that conclusion? I have to say the ability to drag an International incident in particular the war in Iraq and Afghanistan off topic and back to the dark days of the black n tans in Ireland is some achievement. Well done, take the rest of the day off.

Killing civilisans with impunity like they do in Afghanistan and Iraq is what the Black and Tans did. Given the history of the Irish you people should be opposed of these wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

iceage

SLUSK wrote: »

Killing civilisans with impunity like they do in Afghanistan and Iraq is what the Black and Tans did. Given the history of the Irish you people should be opposed of these wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Again with the assumptions and generalisations. "You people" an assumption that I'm Irish. As to tarring people with the same brush, I take it then that you believe that all the other member states of ISAF fall into the same category as the black n tans along with the Brits and the Septics then?

My ancestors were raping and pillaging long before the black and tans became a problem in Ireland but I don't take every opportunity to drag that up into discussions that have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Jonny7

anymore wrote: »

I dont wish to defend US atrocities in any way, but for the sake of balance, by far the biggest number of murders of inncoent civilians have been committed by the Shiite and Sunny militias. It was ethnic cleansing and not US atrocities that has been the biggest killer in Iraq in recent years. The reason for going to war in Iraq were dishonest, the post war planning almost non existent, but the years of inter communal warfare resulted from inside Iraq.

There was always tension between Sunni and Shiite, the US exploited it to a lesser extent against mainly Sunni insurgency. Al Qaeda and foreigh groups exploited it to a huge extent against both sides to create as much chaos in the country as possible.

A lot of government infrastructure was ripped out directly after the 2003 invasion, yet Sunni and Shia did not instantly go at each other, far from it. Then, mainly Baathist loyalists using a combination of their own and foreign funding (and fighters) cause the first ripples of intercommunity tension with their insurgency against the US/Coalition.. then alliances began.. foreigners poured in.. doing the most damage.. a civil war being most advantageous to them, in order to harm the US/Coalition "liberation" attempt and ultimately the goal of creating a fundamentalist Islamic state to arise out of the ashes.

To put it in layman terms, a few foreign bombs planted in Northern Ireland could easily kick off a full return to the sectarian violence. This just happened to a larger scale in Iraq.