.270 bullet

mayoman24

i have got some remington .270 express rifle 100 grains bullets i was told they are good for most deer but not on red deer. has any one used then on deer? what were the results?

jwshooter

mayoman24 wrote: »

i have got some remington .270 express rifle 100 grains bullets i was told they are good for most deer but not on red deer. has any one used then on deer? what were the results?

i used them and loaded them over the years .

there ok if you place your shot .i would not shoot a mature male sika or fallow on the shoulder with them .

behind the elbow or neck you should be ok . i only used them for hinds/calfs ,foxes vermin .

they will kick off fairly quick once they hit resistance .

also if you shoot a deer in the face ,you will not kill it .it will expand before it gets into the brain .a shot that should not be taken any way.

Deise Musashi

I would feel 100 gr. a bit light for Deer coming at the speed a .270 sends them, bar they were loaded for the purpose by hand.

I'd use that type of round on fox. Fast expansion (depending on the head design?) and high speed usually gives very good kills on light animals.

Lightest I've used on Deer were 130gr. RWS T-Mantel, which I know are very good for penetrating and expanding usually without exiting. I've also used 150gr. RWS Cone Points and found them to really suit my .270 in accuracy and effectiveness.

I did start off with 180gr. Sierra boat tails, heavy enough recoil and only satisfactory results on game.

Deer stalking isn't bunny bashing, if you get one shot you are doing well. Use the best ammo for the job and zero and practice with that ammo as well! It costs a bit, but the return per shot completed is also much higher.

Saying that, I always use the best ammo available for bunnies too. They deserve it as much as the Stag does.

noodle650

have seen many deer (Roe)shot with .223 soft points (not here of course), IMO it is more affective than .243 or .270.
as the bullet pretty much explodes, so when taking Neckshots you are guaranteed a kill, there none of this "deer running into cover on adrenaline cr*p"! i tihnk our law for minimum calibre should be changed!

FISMA

Overall, the speed of the bullet matters more than the mass.

It's a Kinetic Energy kill. KE depends on mass and speed squared.

Thus, the greater dependence on speed.

In general, it will do just fine. However, for the big boys - like those red's you really should step up to something likely to drop it 30-06 at the very least. IMHO the proper round would be 300 Win Mag - if you can get it.

jwshooter

noodle650 wrote: »

have seen many deer shot with .223 soft points (not here of course), IMO it is more affective than .243 or .270.
as the bullet pretty much explodes, so when taking Neckshots you are guaranteed a kill, there none of this "deer running into cover on adrenaline cr*p"! i tihnk our law for minimum calibre should be changed!

"so taking neckshots you are guaranteed a kill"

if you want a guarantee buy a toaster .


possibly one of the worse informed post ,i have ever read on boards .

Tackleberrywho

FISMA wrote: »

Overall, the speed of the bullet matters more than the mass.

It's a Kinetic Energy kill. KE depends on mass and speed squared.

Thus, the greater dependence on speed.

In general, it will do just fine. However, for the big boys - like those red's you really should step up to something likely to drop it 30-06 at the very least. IMHO the proper round would be 300 Win Mag - if you can get it.

A friend of mine has been shooting deer with a .270 for the past 20 years
He shoots Every deer in the head as he eats the animal. He never shoots them in the shoulder as you just mush the fore quarters.

These magnum rounds are not necessary if you go for head shots. What is important is that your rifle is accurate to ensure shot placement.

At the end of the day if you saw what kills Cattle in a slaughter house you would realise that Head shots kills the best.
An animal shot in the head where bullet hits and destroys brain matter is dead Dead Dead.
A lung shot brings an animal down so does a heart or spine. But This guy I know who shoots a lot of deer as they roam his own land in the mountains shoots all head shots, And yes he is a crack shot he can shoot as good with open sights as some can do with Telescopic!

noodle650

jwshooter wrote: »

"so taking neckshots you are guaranteed a kill"

if you want a guarantee buy a toaster .


possibly one of the worse informed post ,i have ever read on boards .

well you deer hunters always emphasise so much on shot palcement, sever the spinal chord and it is not going to run away

Jonty

noodle650 wrote: »

i tihnk our law for minimum calibre should be changed!

I have to agree with this one. it should be revised up.

Hezz700

Also in total agreement.

I shot some Roe up in Dumfries and Galloway with .223 Accu tips and thay all dropped immediately, i also shot some down in Lyme Regis in Devon with a 6.5 and had to use dogs to find them.

tomcat220t

Deer were shot with .22magums and .22 hornets years ago with clean kills and bows and arrows before that ....Does that mean they were suitable ??Dont think so.Bullet placement is no compensation for the correct size calibre.Was talking to a gun dealer last night and said he had a good few .22-250 deer applications turned down this season as unsuitable minimum calibre .Go figure???

jwshooter

there is a lot of ,i saw ,he says,i know ....very little first hand experience he boys.

Tackleberrywho

jwshooter wrote: »

there is a lot of ,i saw ,he says,i know ....very little first hand experience he boys.

Veni Vedi Vici!

I'm just after filling out this years permit. There was a section for Munjac returns.
The .223 BT or soft nose would be a candidate for these boyo's in an energy to weight ratio. IMHO

The chief asked me why I wanted a .308 not a .270 or a 6.5x55?
I stated simply, all of the rounds would kill fallow. But I preferred the .308 as the rifle I wanted was chambered in that size, I told him as for deer legally anything from .22/250 with a 55 grain head or higher would take fallow.
I just wanted scope to travel to Europe to shoot boar or deer etc.

The American Chuck Hawkes said that the swedes were shooting mouse sized deer with a 6.5x55SE, he qualified his statement by the fact that the deer never asked the just dropped !

So there is some experience and some experience from others, Plato did say; If I see further than you , it is because I am standing on the shoulders of giants;)

jwshooter

personally i would not have a 308 or a 6.5 but each to there own .

i have never shot muntjac with a 223 so i cant comment .

hubertus posted some time back that 223 was not a good cal for them it just did not knock them ,he uses his 270.
i would listen to him he has shot many many muntjac and has decades of stalking experience .

something that does not come with the Hcap manual .

Tackleberrywho

jwshooter wrote: »

personally i would not have a 308 or a 6.5 but each to there own .

i have never shot muntjac with a 223 so i cant comment .

hubertus posted some time back that 223 was not a good cal for them it just did not knock them ,he uses his 270.
i would listen to him he has shot many many muntjac and has decades of stalking experience .

something that does not come with the Hcap manual .

I'd have to trust you on the Manual as I never read it, I was schooled in the art of hunting as a child through adult.
But as I have never shot a Muntjac I will retract the comment on them, I did say it was only My opinion and I have lots of opinions which are often ignored by many.

I would be more interested in learning how they came into the country!

jwshooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I'd have to trust you on the Manual as I never read it, I was schooled in the art of hunting as a child through adult.
But as I have never shot a Muntjac I will retract the comment on them, I did say it was only My opinion and I have lots of opinions which are often ignored by many.

I would be more interested in learning how they came into the country!

any way back to the 270 .;)

Tackleberrywho

jwshooter wrote: »

any way back to the 270 .;)

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Funny they are all on the east cost!

i fired a mates .270 years ago when i was considering buying it. baikal, and I could taste the blood in my mouth after my teeth stopped rattling.

Thank god for modern rifle design.
A little bird told me that the 30/06 shooters will only shoot a few good groups before they start flinching from the recoil too!

Thats why I love my .223 remmy as there is no felt recoil. And my .308 is manageable.
I do wonder will rifle barrels become dampened in years to come

But that is another thread!;)

patsat

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Funny they are all on the east cost!

i fired a mates .270 years ago when i was considering buying it. baikal, and I could taste the blood in my mouth after my teeth stopped rattling.

Thank god for modern rifle design.
A little bird told me that the 30/06 shooters will only shoot a few good groups before they start flinching from the recoil too!

Thats why I love my .223 remmy as there is no felt recoil. And my .308 is manageable.
I do wonder will rifle barrels become dampened in years to come

But that is another thread!;)

i thought the same until i collected my own .270 two weeks ago! Recoil is very manageable even without a mod!

jwshooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Funny they are all on the east cost!

i fired a mates .270 years ago when i was considering buying it. baikal, and I could taste the blood in my mouth after my teeth stopped rattling.

Thank god for modern rifle design.
A little bird told me that the 30/06 shooters will only shoot a few good groups before they start flinching from the recoil too!

Thats why I love my .223 remmy as there is no felt recoil. And my .308 is manageable.
I do wonder will rifle barrels become dampened in years to come

But that is another thread!;)

tac ,the trick with any biggish cal is not to over shoot it ,even at the start of the clay season i do notice the recoil .

It wasn't me!

The .270 and the .30-06 are not big kickers. Sure, fire a few boxes a day under a tin covered firing point in a tshirt and no ear protection and you're going to get twitchy (and poor!) but if you practise sensibly, half a box here, half a box there, with a coat, outdoors, with ear protection, then you won't. Can't understand where you get the idea that .30-06 shooters can only shoot a few good groups. It's not a difficult round to shoot well. I'm still considering a lightweight .300 win mag, see how many good groups get shot with that!

Tackleberrywho

It wasn't me! wrote: »

The .270 and the .30-06 are not big kickers. Sure, fire a few boxes a day under a tin covered firing point in a tshirt and no ear protection and you're going to get twitchy (and poor!) but if you practise sensibly, half a box here, half a box there, with a coat, outdoors, with ear protection, then you won't. Can't understand where you get the idea that .30-06 shooters can only shoot a few good groups. It's not a difficult round to shoot well. I'm still considering a lightweight .300 win mag, see how many good groups get shot with that!

As I said a little bird told me about the groups getting worse as the day went on, and I can't give any clues because everybody would know who he was.:D:D

What I can say he knows his stuff about large rifle calibres.........;);)
Most wildlife rangers use .25/06 for deer reds and sika included it was a wildlife ranger told me that, But He could be telling Porkies:D

I'm beginning to notice if I say anything I get a lot of comments. I must secretly be Eamon Dunphy lol

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

..........I'm beginning to notice if I say anything I get a lot of comments. I must secretly be Eamon Dunphy lol

You've noticed :P I can't think why :pac:

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

You've noticed :P I can't think why :pac:

ok I admit it I am Eamon Dunphy!!
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Good to see others hang on every word I say even the boys in the d oh jay

PS I love Ronaldo!:D