Hibernia for Secondary Teaching

wanttoteach

Hi all,

I somehow heard that Hibernia were going to start a course for secondary teaching, but this was some time ago, maybe a year or two ago. Does anyone know if it will go ahead...if so when?

Thanks

byhookorbycrook

Hard to imagine that it would, seeing as arts degrees are v often the degree people use when entering Hibernia.

implausible

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Hard to imagine that it would, seeing as arts degrees are v often the degree people use when entering Hibernia.

What do you mean?

Haven't heard anything. Hard to imagine the Govt sanctioning more teaching graduates coming on stream, just as they're trying to cut more jobs and resources from the system. There are enough colleges offering the PGDE, as well as DCU's part-time one.

pathway33

wanttoteach wrote: »

Hi all,

I somehow heard that Hibernia were going to start a course for secondary teaching, but this was some time ago, maybe a year or two ago. Does anyone know if it will go ahead...if so when?

Thanks

I heard that too. I hope it goes ahead. It will bring more mature people into the profession. Give the yung uns a run for their money

wanttoteach

deemark, that's what I was thinking too. I think that hibernia was making plans for the course but perhaps it won't be approved until the jobs situation improves significantly. on the other hand, it would attract a different type of candidate as you say pathway33...people with real-world experience in the field of their subject and I believe that is worthwhile.

On the hibernia website under careers section it says it is still looking for post-primary teachers to join a panel of experts in the development of the course, but that could mean nothing.

Well, I've decided to apply for Sept 2011 entry one way or the other. If hibernia's not starting an online course, Maynooth will be my first choice.

patann

I have to disagree with you there. Plenty of people doing the post graduate diploma in education (secondary) as indeed with the primary post graduate diploma, already have experience of the world of work or may be changing careers.

The post graduate diploma in primary education was only supposed to be on a temporary basis when it was first allowed to go ahead in the teacher training colleges. It was in response to the shortage of primary teachers at the time. There was no guarantee that it would go ahead ever 18 months at all. There still isn't I think. Similar then when hibernia introduced theirs.

I do not see any necessity in introducing any more secondary teacher training courses. The market is already glutted with qualified teachers looking for jobs and many more working in areas unrelated to teaching as they couldnt get a job in teaching. It would be irresponsible and unfair on job seekers to allow the introduction of another course as indeed it would be to potential students giving them false hope of a job.

Pat

tangerinepuppet

pathway33 wrote: »

I heard that too. I hope it goes ahead. It will bring more mature people into the profession. Give the yung uns a run for their money

Is the point of this that 'mature' people are more likely to do the course because they can work around family and work commitments? I can tell you most of the people I know on the PGDE course I'm doing this year are committed enough that they have taken it on despite such obstacles. 'Young uns' straight out of undergrads and with no teaching experience are definitely in the minority.

pathway33

tangerinepuppet wrote: »

Is the point of this that 'mature' people are more likely to do the course because they can work around family and work commitments?

Yes

pathway33

tangerinepuppet wrote: »

most of the people I know on the PGDE course I'm doing this year are committed enough that they have taken it on despite such obstacles. 'Young uns' straight out of undergrads and with no teaching experience are definitely in the minority.

That's very surprising but very good to hear. I knew there had been an increase in 'mature' undergrads but didn't realise they constituted the majority of PGDE students. Fair play to them for their commitment. However I still think it's unfair to people currently working full-time to be excluded.

I suppose they could always go the Open University flexible route if Hibernia doesn't happen

Toto Wolfcastle

When I started my dip I was 21. I was definitely in the minority. In fact, they read out the number of students in each age group and the vast majority of students were in their late 20s and 30s. Very few people were of an age where they would have come from their undergrad straight to the dip.

I actually thought that this was common enough but I'm obviously wrong.

I don't know if and when Hibernia are starting a secondary teaching course but I really hope it does not go ahead. There are far too many qualified teachers out there with no jobs and there are already far too many PGDE places available.