Ball under tree

'scorthy · 07-04-2010 8:53pm #1

I'm always caught out on this one; does the player (a) on identify the ball drop 1 club length from the position of the ball 9even if 1 club length is not sufficient to allow a swing) (b) go as far back in line to where the ball entered the tree or (c) nearest point of relief not nearer hole? Happened this evening so I said I'd ask while it was still fresh in my mind.

Mr. Larson · 07-04-2010 9:04pm

'scorthy wrote: »

I'm always caught out on this one; does the player (a) on identify the ball drop 1 club length from the position of the ball 9even if 1 club length is not sufficient to allow a swing) (b) go as far back in line to where the ball entered the tree or (c) nearest point of relief not nearer hole? Happened this evening so I said I'd ask while it was still fresh in my mind.

Oh! oh! oh! oh! - I know this one!

Normally I am a bit vague on rules... but staked tree is not nearer the hole 1 club length from your nearest point of relief. So find your nearest point of relief then you have your clublength from there, nearest point of relief.

Any other tree is tough titty obviously.

heavyballs · 07-04-2010 9:10pm

Jabberwocky wrote: »

Oh! oh! oh! oh! - I know this one!

Normally I am a bit vague on rules... but staked tree is not nearer the hole 1 club length from your nearest point of relief. So find your nearest point of relief then you have your clublength from there, nearest point of relief.

Any other tree is tough titty obviously.

correct,
a lot of people seem to think they can decide where the nearest point of relief is,take it the other side of staked tree and they may have a clear passage with no tree in your way,i think it's the most common cheat out there
i once told my ex captain he had taken an improper drop,his ball was on a road,slightly right of centre,he decided to drop on the Lhs of road(not in the deep rough on RHS),he was not best pleased with the penalty,i think it was 1 shot as i told him b4 he hit his shot

f22 · 07-04-2010 9:12pm

Or take a drop as far back as you like taking a line between your ball and the hole

heavyballs · 07-04-2010 9:14pm

f22 wrote: »

Or take a drop as far back as you like taking a line between your ball and the hole

no,not on the staked tree rule i don't think?

Mr. Larson · 07-04-2010 9:16pm

heavyballs wrote: »

no,not on the staked tree rule i don't think?

I didn't think so either.

heavyballs · 07-04-2010 9:18pm

too lazy to check the rule out also

colmsix · 07-04-2010 9:21pm

subscribe to this and you will never have any problems on a ruling . barry just did ball in/under tree with pics last week and he mails you every week with different rulings. http://www.barryrhodes.com/

heavyballs · 07-04-2010 9:26pm

colmsix wrote: »

subscribe to this and you will never have any problems on a ruling . barry just did ball in/under tree with pics last week and he mails you every week with different rulings. http://www.barryrhodes.com/

Barry could do with some sort of search term on his blog to make it easy to find rules quickly,looks a bit messy to me but will have another goo at it later

colmsix · 07-04-2010 9:40pm

may be but if you cant find it email him and he 'll sort you out

'scorthy · 07-04-2010 9:53pm

Thanks Guys, tree wasn't staked and was not in line with the hole (he shanked :eek::eek::eek:)!

Kace · 07-04-2010 10:04pm

'scorthy wrote: »

Thanks Guys, tree wasn't staked and was not in line with the hole (he shanked :eek::eek::eek:)!

So the tree wasn't staked so no relief of any sort granted. Did he try to claim relief ?

heavyballs · 07-04-2010 10:27pm

'scorthy wrote: »

Thanks Guys, tree wasn't staked and was not in line with the hole (he shanked :eek::eek::eek:)!

if it wasn't staked what does it matter if it was in line with the hole or not,

,unless he claimed the tree was acting as an advertising hourding for the green party,
was it an evergreen?:P

'scorthy · 07-04-2010 10:28pm

Kace wrote: »

So the tree wasn't staked so no relief of any sort granted. Did he try to claim relief ?

Yes; he took the one club length option and penalised himself one shot. (General stableford competition if that makes any difference).

Sandwlch · 07-04-2010 10:29pm

BTW : the rules of golf give you NO relief from staked trees.

'scorthy · 07-04-2010 10:31pm

heavyballs wrote: »

if it wasn't staked what does it matter if it was in line with the hole or not,,unless he claimed the tree was acting as an advertising hourding for the green party,
was it an evergreen?:P

Was actually

. Yeah; the point on the staked tree is a local ruling...isn't it?

heavyballs · 07-04-2010 10:34pm

'scorthy wrote: »

Was actually . Yeah; the point on the staked tree is a local ruling...isn't it?

no it's a universal ruling,staked tree you must take free relief,no choice once you have reason to beleive it interferes with stance or swing

Miley Byrne · 07-04-2010 10:39pm

heavyballs wrote: »

no it's a universal ruling,staked tree you must take free relief,no choice once you have reason to beleive it interferes with stance or swing

I thought it had to be on the card of the course you're playing. Plus, you don't have to take relief as far as I know. Some cards make no mention of staked trees on the local rules section so play as it lies or take a penalty drop was my understanding.

heavyballs · 07-04-2010 10:47pm

i've yet to see a card that didn't have it listed on the card,personally no matter where i'm playing and whether or not it says it on the card if a tree is staked i'm taking relief,

Unglika Norse · 07-04-2010 11:11pm

personally no matter where i'm playing and whether or not it says it on the card if a tree is staked i'm taking relief,[/QUOTE]

Then treat yourself to a penalty as well, because if it dont state it as a local rule you dont have relief, simples

heavyballs · 07-04-2010 11:20pm

Unglika Norse wrote: »

personally no matter where i'm playing and whether or not it says it on the card if a tree is staked i'm taking relief,

Then treat yourself to a penalty as well, because if it dont state it as a local rule you dont have relief, simples[/QUOTE]

na you're alright i'll take my chances and let the comp secretary decide whether it's a penalty or not,
why bother staking a tree,it's a matter of preserving the young tree's

Unglika Norse · 07-04-2010 11:28pm

Its not up to him to decide he can only decide on the conditions of the competition, it is either a local rule allowing relief and therefore a free drop or its not a local rule allowing relief and then its a penalty but should you choose not to apply the penalty if there is no local rule then thats a matter for yourself or indeed your playing partners

heavyballs · 07-04-2010 11:35pm

Unglika Norse wrote: »

Its not up to him to decide he can only decide on the conditions of the competition, it is either a local rule allowing relief and therefore a free drop or its not a local rule allowing relief and then its a penalty but should you choose not to apply the penalty if there is no local rule then thats a matter for yourself or indeed your playing partners

thanks for repeating what i just stated,btw this is not a rule where you're partners can decide whether relief can be taken or not
anyway b4 i go out i always check conditions,there's not a course in the country that will tell you that you don't get a drop from staked tree's if you ask b4 going out

Unglika Norse · 07-04-2010 11:52pm

I must not be making the point clear, a local rule must be posted on the notice board or printed on the card, to ask somone if there is relief does not suffice, now as you usually like to have the last word, I'll leave it to you and say goodnight.

heavyballs · 07-04-2010 11:55pm

Unglika Norse wrote: »

I must not be making the point clear, a local rule must be posted on the notice board or printed on the card, to ask somone if there is relief does not suffice, now as you usually like to have the last word, I'll leave it to you and say goodnight.

sleep tight

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