New hip roof on my shed?

ste15

Hello, dont know if hip is the right term for what I want but I need some advice on materials. At the moment I have a block built shed with a flat roof on it, 12 foot by 15 foot. It has a slight fall on it so its too low in the back and the rain water pools on it. I want to put an A shape roof on because I am converting the shed into a room and I dont want to be repairing a flat roof every ten years. The inside of the roof will look like an 'A' because I need the little bit of extra head height, (I need planning permission if I go above 4 metres finished height).
I need some advice please on the following;
How to estimate how much timber I need and what sort?
Tiles/slates/corrugated metal/felt, whats best to finish with?

I also have a question heating wise, I will be running water out to the shed for a toilet and sink. Should I put in a boiler with a couple of radiators? Havent a clue what type of boiler to get for such a small room. I could take a t off the gas line feeding the boiler in the house and run a line out there too( I would get someone to do that, I am handy with plumbing but I dont mess with gas or electricity!).

Any help or advice is gratefully accepted. Thanks in advance.

Mellor

ste15 wrote: »

Hello, dont know if hip is the right term for what I want but I need some advice on materials. At the moment I have a block built shed with a flat roof on it, 12 foot by 15 foot. It has a slight fall on it so its too low in the back and the rain water pools on it. I want to put an A shape roof on because I am converting the shed into a room and I dont want to be repairing a flat roof every ten years. The inside of the roof will look like an 'A' because I need the little bit of extra head height, (I need planning permission if I go above 4 metres finished height).

You'll need planning regardless as you are converting it into a habitable space.

ste15

I spoke to the local council on planning permission and he said 'habitable' meant if I was putting a bed in it, as I plan to use it for a workshop and storage with toilet he said it would be considered just an out-house and the only constriction would be roof height, 3 metres for a flat roof, 4 metres for an A frame. Was he wrong in telling me this? I dont want grief from neighbours.

Admitadly, it will be a very comfortable workshop with the insulation and heating, but I am a bookbinder so its a fairly clean trade, and I want to be comfortable because I will be in there for long periods of time working.

muffler

ste15 wrote: »

he said 'habitable' meant if I was putting a bed in it, as I plan to use it for a workshop and storage................but I am a bookbinder so its a fairly clean trade.

There you said it yourself - "Trade"

You are carrying out a business in it and as Mellor said you will require planning permission for change of use from domestic to commercial use. The roof height is not your main concern.

ste15

The county council never raised any of this with me, I went through what my intentions are and he didnt have any problem with it. He actually said it would fit in the bracket of an outside toilet or an outhouse or a barn. Allot of my neighbours already have put A frame roofs on their sheds and nobody has a problem with it.
I dont plan on running a business or using it for commercial purposes or making money at all. I work as a bookbinder, in full time employment, for a commercial print company, my workshop will be used for traditional hand bookbinding as a hobby for myself and family.
It will also be remaining as a shed for storage for lawn mower etc. I am not being smart but if you read my first post I am looking for help and advice on materials not planning. As for 'habiting' I dont plan on living in my shed, and as for 'commercial use' I am not going to be running a business.
Put it this way, whats the difference between me making model aeroplanes in my cold leaky shed today and me making model aeroplanes in my warm dry shed tomorrow?
The county council are happy enough with my plans so thankyou for your responses but I think maybe I will move this thread elsewhere to avoid any more confusion.

Mellor

I'm sorry but the confusion is coming from yourself.

In the first post you said you were converting it into a "room". Without explaining further. A room is generally taken a bedroom. So I pointed out you need PP for this. In actual fact you aren't making it into anything. It's currently a shed, your are leaving it as a shed.


In your next post you said it was used for trade. Trade would be assumed to be commercial. Muffler pointed out that this needs PP. Again, you never explain that it was non-commercial and just a hobby, which is fine.


I don't see how we are expected to read your mind. You left out vital pieces of information and then got offended when the replies were at odds with what the council said.
As it stands, changing the roof (as long as its under 4m) and adding heating and a toiler doesn't require planning, unless there is something else you have left out. Now, what do you want to know about materials.

observer2u

Surely if he states that he is merely using it for "storage" then there is no issues with change of use. OP - is this book binding your main business? are you in there working everyday. if not i don't see that you need planning for a change of use.

I regularly do work from at my kitchen table - i don't think i need to get a change of use for my kitchen. Were the work you do to potentially cause any inconvienence / harm to those around you (i.e noise, waste pollution) then yes of course you'd need planning. Its a judgement call for yourself.
The two posters are correct if you follow the letter of the law but in that case anyone who paints their front door needs planning!

But of more concern to me is that if this shed is attached to the side of your house will you not need planning permission as you will be changing the front elevation?

btw i'm assuming it is attached to the side of your home.

ste15

Mellor, you are making allot of assumptions and reading what you want I think, like I said, 'I am not being smart', I am sure you know a hell of allot more than I do about planning permission, but read my first post carefully.
I dont ask a single question about PP. I am asking how to estimate quantity of materials for a roof for a shed 15footx12foot, and what materials to actually use.
I deliberately left out information about what my use for the room will be because it is irrelevant to the question I am asking. I posted in this forum as it is called 'construction & planning'. It is construction my question is aimed towards.
Like I said, 'thankyou for your responses but I think maybe I will move this thread elsewhere to avoid any more confusion'. I posted this up in the DIY forum already.
Oh, and I was not offended about any replies, I suggest you read every word I wrote again. I have been nothing but polite in asking for advice here, but because I posted in a forum where planning is discussed my post was misinterpretated, no confusion my end on the topic.

Observer2u, also many thanks for your reply, the shed is at the end of my back garden, completely invisible from the front elevation of my home.

I have moved my post to DIY, I appreciate all replies given here, and appologise for possibly posting in the wrong forum.

muffler

Move along please. Nothing more to see here

Thread locked as its in the DIY forum.

Mellor

ste15 wrote: »

Mellor, you are making allot of assumptions and reading what you want I think, like I said, 'I am not being smart', I am sure you know a hell of allot more than I do about planning permission, but read my first post carefully.
I dont ask a single question about PP. I am asking how to estimate quantity of materials for a roof for a shed 15footx12foot, and what materials to actually use.
I deliberately left out information about what my use for the room will be because it is irrelevant to the question I am asking.

Just because you didn't ask, doesn't mean you may not of needed it. This is common here, people aren't aware and it is pointed out, 99.9% its a help. After the extra info you don't need PP

As for leaving out info, there is no point. It wasn't relevant to the question you asked, but it painted a different picture of the intended work. It should be clear why this was foolish.

You would of gotten the answer here, most of our posts are related to materials, not planning. But since its on DIY, no point having two concurrent threads.



And to observer, please read my post before yours. Most of what you said it inaccurate.