The Irish Times Mon 5 April Toyosi story

mike rolite

The IT has been going downhill for a while but today's paper is the final straw for me. The story on the front page about the stabbing of the Nigerian boy was obviously written on Saturday. There is no mention whatsover of the arrests made yesterday- that info was on the radio yesterday at 4pm. Clearly the editor in charge either didnt think the story was important enough or wanted to get home to his or her Easter Eggs. I know there's cutbacks in the industry as there are everywhere but if they want people to buy their paper, it is surely their responsibility to make sure their news is new. Shameful.
Rant over.:mad:

rachel

see ''In Short'' on page 8 of paper- ''Two men appear in court over youth's death in Dublin suburb''

flogen

mike rolite wrote: »

Clearly the editor in charge either didnt think the story was important enough

Not important enough but still front-page worthy?

The piece on the front page was a colour piece about the local reaction to the murder. The writer and/or editor clearly felt the Garda investigation was for another article.

mike rolite

Yes, I stand corrected, apologies!- There was a small report on the arrests on page 8, mea culpa.
But there were large articles with photos on page 1 and on page 3 that didnt even mention the arrests.
The 'In Short' report was far more newsworthy than the article on the front page and the one on page 3. It was obviously hastily slotted in and should have been front page news.

IRE60

Very poor chief sub IMO, should have refferd it or included in in p1

flogen

mike rolite wrote: »

Yes, I stand corrected, apologies!- There was a small report on the arrests on page 8, mea culpa.
But there were large articles with photos on page 1 and on page 3 that didnt even mention the arrests.
The 'In Short' report was far more newsworthy than the article on the front page and the one on page 3. It was obviously hastily slotted in and should have been front page news.

There is an argument to be had as to whether there should be anything other than news on the front page of a newspaper - generally it is all that's put on one in Ireland.

IRE60 is right too - there should have been a reference to the other piece - even if it was an 'In Short' - at the end of the piece.

Jip

The entire Irish media have to take a look at themselves over the coverage over what was indeed a shocking story.

The main point is that the attack was not a racist attack but it has not stopped one single paper or radio station approaching this story as if it was one, they then claim there's now a lot of tension in the area as a result and insinuate it's always been underlying.

This is all bull**** and irresponsible to try chase an angle that's simply not there, it's almost as if they're hoping they can stoke the non existent fires looking for a story to break out.

The whole lot of them were down in the gutter with each other over the weekend.

IRE60

Where are you going Jip!!

It's not "a racist attack" - are you well.

[mod edit - comment based on rumour]

A Garda spokesperson said "This is certainly an incident which we are addressing from the point of view of is it racist based."

eh, did you miss all this?

Jip

I have missed nothing but you seem to have completely missed what has happened in the area.

The gardai have subsequently come out and acknowledged it had nothing to do with racism, way too late imo as people like yourself have somehow managed to get the wrong end of a one ended stick.

And you are so far off the mark for the reason that this tragic event happened. In fact you are are perfect example of why the press need to take a look at themselves for putting bull**** stories out there as people like yourself go running with it and take it as gospel.

Or have I just hit a raw nerve with yourself, I suspect you either work in or are heavily involved in the media in some form or another.

IRE60

Can you give me a link/source for this:


The gardai have subsequently come out and acknowledged it had nothing to do with racism

If so i'd be delighted to stand corrected

Jip

The gardai had a couple of meeting with locals over the past days and it was acknowledged then.

IRE60

so, its local hearsay?

Not in a press release to the media.

You would think that if the Gardi had made a statement on Friday and their comments widely reported in all the media Saturday, that they believed it was a it racially motivated crime as i quoted before - then, if further information comes to hand that could 'calm' the situation, that they should report it to the same audience as opposed to in a huddle somewhere?

Jip

It's not hearsay when it was said by a garda. What you've said is complete hearsay though.

There are a number of stories around the area of why this happened, many of them similar, and not one of them is to do with racism, it was the media that first brought this up.

You say you'd be delighted to be corrected on this but yet you are so keen for that not to happen aren't you ? As I alluded to before, do you work in the media ? You only seem to post on media issues so I'm assuming you do or have a very keen interest professionally in it.

IRE60

Jip, that's misguided and what I have said is not 'hearsay'. Is that your only retort as you can't source the reason for your theory. You are listening to local gossip 'in the area'.

"it was the media that first brought this up" - on the back of a statement by the garda - when will that sink in to you.

If you have a grievance it should be directed at the body that made the statement in Friday - not the media that quoted it. If the cops said on Friday it was racially motivated - what do you expect the media to report.

For me that the end of this idle speculation and the opinions of the 'locals'

Jip

Again you avoid my direct question to you about your media involvement.

And again I tell you it's not idle gossip, what you said about the flashpoint to this incident is though.

It's the last I have to say on this issue as apparently you have no interest in fully understanding what happened in the area and prefer to go down the tabloid route of what make's a juicy story, not letting facts get in the way of it.

When you live in the area and don't get all your facts from dubious media sources you may have some weight in this discussion.

flogen

OK lads; you're both going back and forth and getting nowhere but I'd like to remind you that there is an investigation ongoing and there's the potential for charges soon too - so I will be reading any posts on this thread carefully and deleting anything that I feel is based on rumour, hear-say or guess-work.

Madworld

Jip wrote: »

Again you avoid my direct question to you about your media involvement.

And again I tell you it's not idle gossip, what you said about the flashpoint to this incident is though.

It's the last I have to say on this issue as apparently you have no interest in fully understanding what happened in the area and prefer to go down the tabloid route of what make's a juicy story, not letting facts get in the way of it.

When you live in the area and don't get all your facts from dubious media sources you may have some weight in this discussion.

So was this just a coincidence?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-charged-with-hatred-in-racist-attack-on-father-son-345834.html

IRE60

thats a very strange one.

Although its a particularity curios one, and one in which i'd love to explore, seriously, i'd park that here as we could do untold damage to an ongoing case.

MagicSean

Madworld wrote: »

So was this just a coincidence?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-charged-with-hatred-in-racist-attack-on-father-son-345834.html

That was 10 years ago and refers to a fight in which someone used the n-word. It's hardly proof as to the current incident.

IRE60 wrote: »

Where are you going Jip!!

It's not "a racist attack" - are you well.

[mod edit - comment based on rumour]

A Garda spokesperson said "This is certainly an incident which we are addressing from the point of view of is it racist based."

eh, did you miss all this?

You've asked Jip to quote his source. Can you quote yours? I can't find anything on the garda press releases about this being a racist attack. The only reference is to the racial and intercultural officer being involved but that is not unusual when when there is a possability of racism. It doesn't actually confirm anything.

IRE60

If I have to do this for you - Par 5 and 6

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/racism-probe-after-teenager-stabbed-2124457.html

And seriously, I am not going to discuss that article from Madworld (no offence Madworld!)

MagicSean

IRE60 wrote: »

If I have to do this for you - Par 5 and 6

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/racism-probe-after-teenager-stabbed-2124457.html

And seriously, I am not going to discuss that article from Madworld (no offence Madworld!)

You've quoted the independent not the gardaí. The independent is about as trustworthy as our government. If you read the comment it obviously has been edited badly. It's not even a proper sentance. What the Gardaí said was that they would be looking at wether it was racist. That would be because they have to investigate all angles.

I'm glad you aren't going to discuss the other article. You obviously agree it has no relevance.

IRE60

Yes! I quoted the Indo, who quoted the Gardi, my original point

Seriously - are you going to read the article

A garda spokesman said: "I don't think anyone went out there to kill anyone. But things got out of hand and then someone was killed. This is certainly an incident which we are addressing from the point of view of is it racist based."

So, the Garda said on Good Friday that "...we are addressing from the point of view of is it racist based."

QED

MagicSean

IRE60 wrote: »

Yes! I quoted the Indo, who quoted the Gardi, my original point

Seriously - are you going to read the article

A garda spokesman said: "I don't think anyone went out there to kill anyone. But things got out of hand and then someone was killed. This is certainly an incident which we are addressing from the point of view of is it racist based."

So, the Garda said on Good Friday that "...we are addressing from the point of view of is it racist based."

QED

I have underlined the part that you seem to be missing. It was a question he said they'd be looking at.