Trial Period?

Counter

Anyone come across the practice of hiring people on a 'trial period' for maybe a week and then letting them go without pay.

I keep hearing about this from foreign nationals, I presume it's completely illegal and employers are taking advantage of people who may not be aware of workers rights?

Anyone else come across this, I've heard happing in a wide range of businesses from pubs to chippers to franchised restaurants in major shopping centres.

Biggins

I hope you report such places, I would.
(Reporting them is not saying they are guilty. Its saying its a possibility it might be happening!)

brummytom

Isn't this common?

Counter

This hasn't happened to me personally, I have just heard this from friends. But it does need to be addressed as it is clearly taking advantage of people who are not aware of their rights

orourkeda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls

Stench Blossoms

It would be a good idea if they were being paid as it could both the employee and employer an idea if they are suitable for the job.

Sea Sharp

That's well dodgey. A trial-period for employment is OK but refusing to pay people stinks of slave labor.

TheZohanS

Counter wrote: »

This hasn't happened to me personally, I have just heard this from friends. But it does need to be addressed as it is clearly taking advantage of people who are not aware of their rights

It sure does, you've come to the right place.

Rabies

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

That's well dodgey. A trial-period for employment is OK but refusing to pay people stinks of slave labor.

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/6/4/633797434430730695-slavelabour.jpg

Counter

TheZohan wrote: »

It sure does, you've come to the right place.

I was just hoping I could substantiate these claims with other peoples experiences before I start bringing down the system.:cool:

Biggins

Rabies wrote: »

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/6/4/633797434430730695-slavelabour.jpg

*cough*

http://www.archaeologydaily.com/news/201001113026/Egypt-tombs-suggest-pyramids-not-built-by-slaves.html

http://www.ablogabouthistory.com/2010/01/11/free-men-built-the-pyramids-not-slaves/

minidazzler

Biggins wrote: »

*cough*

http://www.archaeologydaily.com/news/201001113026/Egypt-tombs-suggest-pyramids-not-built-by-slaves.html

http://www.ablogabouthistory.com/2010/01/11/free-men-built-the-pyramids-not-slaves/

Aw, I was gonna post that! It's one of my fun facts to pull out when people talk about slavery.

Biggins

minidazzler wrote: »

Aw, I was gonna post that! It's one of my fun facts to pull out when people talk about slavery.

We'll share the credit.

Seeing as I'm nearly a part of history (probably being one of the older ones here) I do be interested in such ancient stuff. :cool:

billymitchell

Did Joe Duffy do a bit on this a few months back!!

--LOS--

Counter wrote: »

Anyone come across the practice of hiring people on a 'trial period' for maybe a week and then letting them go without pay.

Yes but I would never do it not even for a day, it just supports slave labour.

I know someone who took up a trial day in just a local cafe, worked to the bone all day without breaks and pay, no job at the end of it, now unless you were a total monkey, after getting through the application process it'd be pretty hard to fuk it up on a trial day in a place like this.

Who's to know whether this is an ongoing thing in these places, theyre obviously not places you'd want to work for anyways.

mikom

I had a trial period once......... bloody awful, I don't know how you women do it.

--LOS--

nice edit

mikom

--LOS-- wrote: »

nice edit

Just makin' it easier for the kids.

Rabies

Biggins wrote: »

*cough*

http://www.archaeologydaily.com/news/201001113026/Egypt-tombs-suggest-pyramids-not-built-by-slaves.html

http://www.ablogabouthistory.com/2010/01/11/free-men-built-the-pyramids-not-slaves/

First piece of historical propaganda ever

Biggins

Rabies wrote: »

First piece of historical propaganda ever

:eek:

:pac:

Their well, well dead. I don't think they are too worried about propaganda. :pac:

kandsfarrell

Counter wrote: »

Anyone come across the practice of hiring people on a 'trial period' for maybe a week and then letting them go without pay.

I have come across somthing that I find wrong in the last week regarding the above.......My son has gone and done a trial shift in a local bar/pub/restaurant.....he started at 4pm and finished at 1am.....they told him that they would be in touch......they didnt......when he rings they tell him that they are continuing with other trial shifts and they will be in touch etc etc etc..........He wasnt paid for it and he wasnt allowed keep his tips of €60....he was told that all tips should be handed in and they would be split at the end of the week.......

I am aware that my son should have asked many questions before agreeing to do this trial shift.....however he is 17....looking for his first partime job and is wet around the ears as most kids his age are....I have since learned that this has happened to other kids in other bar/pub/restaurants. It seems to me that its possible that kids of this age are being taken advantage of.......I can't imagine that this practice is legal

Anyone else out there with similiar experience

Shivers26

kandsfarrell wrote: »

I have come across somthing that I find wrong in the last week regarding the above.......My son has gone and done a trial shift in a local bar/pub/restaurant.....he started at 4pm and finished at 1am.....they told him that they would be in touch......they didnt......when he rings they tell him that they are continuing with other trial shifts and they will be in touch etc etc etc..........He wasnt paid for it and he wasnt allowed keep his tips of €60....he was told that all tips should be handed in and they would be split at the end of the week.......

I am aware that my son should have asked many questions before agreeing to do this trial shift.....however he is 17....looking for his first partime job and is wet around the ears as most kids his age are....I have since learned that this has happened to other kids in other bar/pub/restaurants. It seems to me that its possible that kids of this age are being taken advantage of.......I can't imagine that this practice is legal

Anyone else out there with similiar experience

That is a bloody disgrace and he should be ringing them daily looking for the money he earned. He must have been doing something right if he got €60 in tips.

I work in the service industry and we would never do this but we get in a lot of unsolicited CV's and a lot of them are now including a note saying they will work a trial period for free.

Sanjuro

And yay, after fourteen months, the thread did raise from the dead. And all looked upon it and were bored.

kandsfarrell

Shivers26 wrote: »

I work in the service industry and we would never do this but we get in a lot of unsolicited CV's and a lot of them are now including a note saying they will work a trial period for free.

I should say that he was told beforehand that he wouldnt be paid for his trial shift......however as I said it is his first experience of looking for partime work like many other kids of his age and so he thought this was normal practice....and maybe it is......but I cant see that its legal....because if it is...there is nothing to stop places like this using young kids to do trial shifts on busy days without paying them.

Sanjuro wrote: »

And yay, after fourteen months, the thread did raise from the dead. And all looked upon it and were bored.

If you have nothing to add......dont subtract

Mike 1972

AFaIK Its only legal if they call it "work experience" or an "internship"

AH Answer: Anyone know where I can hire a hooker on this basis ?

kandsfarrell

Mike 1972 wrote: »

AFaIK Its only legal if they call it "work experience" or an "internship"

AH Answer: Anyone know where I can hire a hooker on this basis ?

Well they are calling it trial shift....and it seems as though they have many many trial shifts....and again its 16,17 and 18 year olds that are being asked to do it.....it seems they are being told that they are doing a great job etc etc and that sombody will be in touch in the next few days etc etc

easyeason3

I find it hard to believe that this is widespread because even though working in a bar/ restaurant isn't exactly the hardest job to get or do, you do need a bit of cop on & would need to know the general workings of how things are done, where things are kept etc. Dropping someone in the deep end for a week & expecting them not to fcuk up ten times a day because they are not used to the place is just retarded.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but with those work placement programme thingys it should be less likely.

Anyway, if I went in to work on a trial period in any place & they treated me like that I'd report their asses.

marxcoo

I think it's getting more and more common in bars and restaraunts now. Although the trial is usually one shift not a week- that's definitely taking the piss. Chefs always do trials but I don't know if they are paid for them. They should at least get a token gesture.

kandsfarrell

marxcoo wrote: »

I think it's getting more and more common in bars and restaraunts now. Although the trial is usually one shift not a week- that's definitely taking the piss. Chefs always do trials but I don't know if they are paid for them. They should at least get a token gesture.

The peticular incident I am talking about was a one night trial......9 hrs in total.....no pay and didnt get to keep his tips (€60)

It seems like it is common practice from what I am getting in this forum and others......I just can't believe that it is legal practice....I have just found out that trials have been going on in the place my son went to for the last 4 weeks.....Wedneday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights...

marxcoo

kandsfarrell wrote: »

The peticular incident I am talking about was a one night trial......9 hrs in total.....no pay and didnt get to keep his tips (€60)

It seems like it is common practice from what I am getting in this forum and others......I just can't believe that it is legal practice....I have just found out that trials have been going on in the place my son went to for the last 4 weeks.....Wedneday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights...

Ya, well that's obviously just free labour, I'd imagine there's grounds to report the establishment. I don't know the law surrounding it but I'd imagine places are getting away with it because it's a "grey area"- like most things.

kandsfarrell

marxcoo wrote: »

Ya, well that's obviously just free labour, I'd imagine there's grounds to report the establishment. I don't know the law surrounding it but I'd imagine places are getting away with it because it's a "grey area"- like most things.

Yeah well thats what I am thinking and yeah I think I am going to report it.....I actually have a good mind to go to the papers about it......I think its a disgrace

yoshytoshy

I work in the gas installation game and we got a lot of offers from apprentices looking to work for free ,while on trial.

Tried a couple of them last year ,things didn't work out. But they still got readies for the work they done.

kandsfarrell

kandsfarrell wrote: »

Yeah well thats what I am thinking and yeah I think I am going to report it.....I actually have a good mind to go to the papers about it......I think its a disgrace

You should go to the papers. I have a friend working in a bar who tells me the same thing......that they hire people for 'trial' shifts when they have no intention of taking on new staff. It's disgraceful.

johnmcdnl

what's the difference between this and work experience???

bad form but your know your not getting paid for it...

kandsfarrell

johnmcdnl wrote: »

what's the difference between this and work experience???

bad form but your know your not getting paid for it...

This isnt my point.....my point is that businesses are getting young kids in to do trial work on a weekly basis without actually hiring anyone....if its work experience thats fine...but thats not what these kids are going in for...these kids are going in looking for a job....a job that knowbody gets.

johnmcdnl

kandsfarrell wrote: »

This isnt my point.....my point is that businesses are getting young kids in to do trial work on a weekly basis without actually hiring anyone....if its work experience thats fine...but thats not what these kids are going in for...these kids are going in looking for a job....a job that knowbody gets.

yeah I know exactly what you mean - it's really bad form on the employers behalf but I can't see how it'd be illegal... the kids are agreeing to work for free for a week knowing full well that they mightn't get the know... they might expect the job but legally they're not entitled to it....

really bad form and any employer that does it should be boycotted if possible because there nothing but cúnts - buy I can't see how they'd be actually breaking a law...

kandsfarrell

johnmcdnl wrote: »

yeah I know exactly what you mean - it's really bad form on the employers behalf but I can't see how it'd be illegal... the kids are agreeing to work for free for a week knowing full well that they mightn't get the know... they might expect the job but legally they're not entitled to it....

really bad form and any employer that does it should be boycotted if possible because there nothing but cúnts - buy I can't see how they'd be actually breaking a law...

The place in which I am talking about are advertising that there is partime jobs available.....they offer kids one nights work on a trial basis and then tell them that they will be in touch.....they dont get in touch....they dont pay them anything and in my sons case they wouldnt let him keep his tips of €60......Now I cant see how all this is legal

Mensch Maschine

There has to be some legallity they can get the guys on. If they never intend of giving anyone a job it's deceit and false information they handing out. Getting people to work under a false pretence is totally wrong.

I can imagine it being hard though to prove that the company never had any intent to hire anyone unless they get some testimonies from all the people that went on a trial there.

Keeping their tip money aswell. ****in' hell.

johnmcdnl

kandsfarrell wrote: »

The place in which I am talking about are advertising that there is partime jobs available.....they offer kids one nights work on a trial basis and then tell them that they will be in touch.....they dont get in touch....they dont pay them anything and in my sons case they wouldnt let him keep his tips of €60......Now I cant see how all this is legal

taking the tips probably is illegal - maybe get onto the legal discussion forum and ask them there - really can't see how that'd be legal... I don't agree with the one night trial idea but that's probably legal... but taking the tips is being a cúnt altogether... you should probably report that for definite but knowing the way this country is it wouldn't be a surprise to see that staff aren't allowed take tips or some ****e like that without declaring it for tax or something...

kandsfarrell

Thanks everyone for your imput......I am going to follow it up further....I thinks its a fkn disgrace to be honest....I thought maybe I was over reacting because it was my son and he got pretty down about it.....

The more I think about it the more it boils my blood.....I ran a company for 15 years before the slump and I would never have done this to anyone let alone kids

Thanks again for the imput.....I will post my findings as I go