The future?

eeloe

I god damn hope so....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHPLFPMintM

Speedy J and Chris Liebing-8 decks, 2 mashines.....(4 macbooks:( i'd love to have money)
I'm loving the fact that with Traktor, it's not just "playing" tracks....it's bringing a whole new realm of possibilitys.

I think someone mentioned here a few months back, that Hawtin isn't a DJ any more, he's a techno Musician.....that's the way it's going, and i for one LOVE it!

jtsuited

alright before i get started, apologies to anyone I offend in advance.

this whole thing is a joke. Have you actually heard anyone do these sets with the 8 decks going etc.? It sounds like crap. The endless looping. The butchering of the tracks.

It just about works for Hawtin playing all the minus stuff (which is pure and utter tripe imo) and Chris Liebing makes endless loopy stuff anywho.

What's worse than one done-to-death cold tech-house tool track being looped ad infinitum?

8 more on top.

And this whole new 'realm of possibilities' thing is utter horsesh1t. As I said in my thread about vinyl, I actually think Hawtin and Liebing etc., have shown that even in the hands of guys who are at the top of their game (and I admit they are at the top of their game) this technology is a completely empty promise.

2 years ago I think this thread would be in some way valid as there was the possibility of someone doing something cool with the technology, but right now I think everyone realises this fad is over.

And just so you know, I love Native Instruments as a company. I personally own a Mashine (favourite piece of gear ever!), Traktor pro, the audio 4 dj, FM8, absynth, reaktor, pro-53, pretty much everything they've ever made (excluding Kore).

I am a dyed in the wool NI fanboy. And I'm not even silly enough to believe this marketing stuff. And it's a bit old at this stage now. We had all this 'oh but the possibilities' stuff with Ableton years ago. And instead of Liebing and Hawtin, it was Sasha doing the endorsements.

Look, people like Liebing and Hawtin and Umek and i'm fairly sure Joris Voorn too, supplement their income with lucrative marketing deals by simply mentioning 'oh i use 4 decks etc, it's a whole new world of possibilities yadda yadda yadda'. And if I was them I'd do it too, but nobody really believes there's some massive revolution going on except for kids shelling out on new equipment (and apparently people posting on internet forums about 2 years too late).

b45

i hope not , id much rather watch someone play good music on two turntables than watch these two do their best to inject a bit of life into some dull mnml .

as far as hawtin goes all i can say is he was a much better dj 6 - 7 years ago than he is now . his sets are just annoying to listen to imo . he was always fx happy but it suited him much better when he had more limitations , played better music too .

seannash

eeloe wrote: »

I'm loving the fact that with Traktor, it's not just "playing" tracks....it's bringing a whole new realm of possibilitys.

I think someone mentioned here a few months back, that Hawtin isn't a DJ any more, he's a techno Musician.....that's the way it's going, and i for one LOVE it!

what eejit said hawtin was a techno musician?

seriously im glad people are realising that the fad is dying.the technology revolution isnt gonna take djing into any new direction.

people should continue to play good music and not **** it up with effects and glitching and layering it to ****e.

ill admit i fell for it too but got over it fairly fast.

i hope you dont see a vid for a lemur touchscreen controller now.you might just talk yourself into buying that unnecessary pile of crap too.

(just to add,ive fallen for the "technology is the future"thing in regards to djing so dont feel im completely picking on you)

jtsuited

yeah as did i. and ya feel like an awful eejit after your realise what a crock of sh1t it is.

b45

i think the real litmus test is to just listen back to a set that was played on 8 virtual decks or whatever in your house when youre not mesmerised by the 4 macbooks on show and make your mind up then .

eeloe

I personally see it as a way forward from the 1's and 2's!
I'm well aware traktor and ableton was available a few years ago, but the eqipment to control them(apart from a mouse and keyboard) was pretty damn expensive.

In the last 12-18 months things have become a bit more affordable(xone 3/4d's and the likes) so i think it's opening things up to another group of people who back then, didn't have enough money to shell out on cdjs and 1210's(along with the high price of vinyl)

jtsuited

eeloe wrote: »

I personally see it as a way forward from the 1's and 2's!
I'm well aware traktor and ableton was available a few years ago, but the eqipment to control them(apart from a mouse and keyboard) was pretty damn expensive.

nope. cheap midi controllers have been around longer.

ianuss

I just watched that clip - and whilst I do think the use of technology is impressive, I can't help wondering, instead of tinkering with 4, 5, or 8 decks or whatever, trying to add in bits and pieces of minimal tracks, why not just play 1 decent track that you don't have to do anything to????

billybigunz

ianuss wrote: »

I just watched that clip - and whilst I do think the use of technology is impressive, I can't help wondering, instead of tinkering with 4, 5, or 8 decks or whatever, trying to add in bits and pieces of minimal tracks, why not just play 1 decent track that you don't have to do anything to????

Fully agree. Any tinkering should be done in the studio in an effort to make a great track.

brianc27

id hardly consider it the future in fairness, speedy j & liebing have been using traktor for about 5 years now if not more, they've been playing traktor like that since they started playing out collabs 3000 years ago, ive a tutorial dvd i got with traktor 3 about 4 years ago with chris liebing talking through out most of it about the benefits of playing out on traktor

eeloe

I just think it's giving more scope, with the ability to use the Maschine along with your "typical" Dj set up!

Again, you may be right, i might be just caught up in all the media hype about it, but for me, at the moment, it seems like the best way to play!

jtsuited

eeloe wrote: »

I just think it's giving more scope, with the ability to use the Maschine along with your "typical" Dj set up!

ok sorry, just watched the video and i'm not gonna let ya off the hook with the maschine comment.

Do you know what maschine is?

I've watched that video closely, and what's actually going on is Chris Liebing is doing some messing in traktor and speedy j is just working the mixer. They both have the maschine controllers setup but neither are actually doing anything on the maschine itself apart from using it in midi-controller mode (if you're not sure what maschine is, you won't really know what i'm getting at here).

It's actually a bizarre video, because what they're doing is really really rudimentary stuff but it's being made out that it's all highly integrated. Speedy j's laptop has ableton open running the maschine software and nothing is happening in it (as in it's completely blank).

Executive Steve

To hell with the future man - two turntables and a microphone.

copeyhagen

ianuss wrote: »

I just watched that clip - and whilst I do think the use of technology is impressive, I can't help wondering, instead of tinkering with 4, 5, or 8 decks or whatever, trying to add in bits and pieces of minimal tracks, why not just play 1 decent track that you don't have to do anything to????

this isnt a live set, think theyre just showing the possibilites.

sounds ****e tbh.

do love my traktor and zone1d setup though

eeloe

I know what the maschine is, well, i think i do, as you say it can be used as a midi controller(to launch samples and fx in traktor) and it's also a "groovebox" which can be used as a production tool.

I don't actually think J actually touched the maschine over the whole video, and liebing only had some percussion bits layered over the whole thing!

jtsuited

eeloe wrote: »

I know what the maschine is, well, i think i do, as you say it can be used as a midi controller(to launch samples and fx in traktor) and it's also a "groovebox" which can be used as a production tool.

See the thing is that the main point of maschine is that it's a drum machine/sampler plugin. In fact you can use it perfectly without the hardware controller.

ok here's the huge flaw with that video. They obviously decided they couldn't just use the maschine as a midi controller so they got speedy j to set one up in ableton. but he never uses it. In fact he leaves it blank. Anyone have any idea why???
Because syncing traktor to any other application is a nightmare. It can be done but it's a pain in the ass. So they obviously just said 'oh let's make it look like we've done it, because most people won't have a clue'.

NI won't let you simply sync maschine with traktor on the same machine (check the NI forums for more info on this). You have to use a longwinded setup using two separate computers.

Maschine in that video is being used as nothing more than a midi controller. The reason I'm bringing this up is because basically they've just been really lazy with this marketing video. 2 big names, 2 maschines, a NI endorsed mixer, etc. going on about integration/possibilities/future of djing etc.

All doing what could be done on 1 computer and 1 mixer/controller. But NI are a very very clever company and judging by the OP, this video worked.

Zascar

I agree mostly, but I don't necessarily think its a bad thing that people like hawtin are doing this type of stuff. I've always been a fairly simple kind of DJ. I just like to mix good tunes and let the music (or my choice of music) speak for itself. When I first got traktor pro etc I had all great ambitions of playing 4 decks and getting really creative but I soon got bored and went back to fairly standard mixing. Don't even really do that much effects just a bit of looping but mainly just to make my mixing more fluid etc

I do however think its good to see people trying new things and experimenting - even if the end result is just something different to do - not necessarily 'revolutionising the industry'. For some its like like live ad-hoc production using many pieces of music to kinda make their own - and I appreciate the skill involved. I don't think everyone should be doing it nor do I want the industry to totally progress that way, but I don't think its a bad thing that some people are changing it up a bit

eeloe

Finally someone agrees with me, kinda!

I just like the fact you can do so much more if the options are there! As you can see in the video, on one of the 4 decks, speedy had a loop of a 303 playing, I like the idea of taking the baseline out of one track and bringing in a completely different one, thus creating a whole new sound!

ianuss

Meh........forget about all this technology nonsense.......Tiesto shows how it should be done. Just play great records and mix 'em. Simples!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjbvYJ45W84

Smyth

ianuss wrote: »

Meh........forget about all this technology nonsense.......Tiesto shows how it should be done. Just play great records and mix 'em. Simples!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjbvYJ45W84

Obviously dubbed, but sadly a lot of clubs in Ireland are like this.

billybigunz

Smyth wrote: »

Obviously dubbed.

Are you sure? Seems genuine to me.

EuskalHerria

billybigunz wrote: »

Are you sure? Seems genuine to me.

Its definitely dubbed over, I watched the first 5 seconds and realised that. Its from his Sensation white set in 2006.

Edit: The Tracklist to show no scatman made the final cut, thats not to say it wasn't considered though.

01. Kane - Rain Down On Me (Tiesto Remix)
02. Divini & Warning - 4LB
03. Supermode - Tell Me Why
04. Tiesto - Lethal Industry (Richard Durand Remix)
05. Fonzerelli - Moonlight Party
06. Tiesto Feat. Maxi Jazz - Dance4Life Anthem