Drugs in Irish Prisons

dimples06

How bad is the drug problem in Irish prisons? Since anyone employed by a prison seems to have their mouth shut by the prison service press office not much info can come out to the media.
Anyone been in prison-open or closed that can give their 2 cents? Open prisons are meant to be drug free.....is this really the case?

Biggins

dimples06 wrote: »

...Open prisons are meant to be drug free.....is this really the case?

You can't be that much in denial!
Of course they are present in ALL prisons.

Open or closed prison system, you want drugs, its possible to get them.
It all boils down to how much your willing to pay and have you got the cash?

nucking futs

Well drugs aren't allowed in prison...


...which means there's probably as much in there as there is on the streets

Duggy747

Drugs are rife in many prisons, either lobbed over the wall or squeezed up the arse!

If I ever wind up in prison nothing is going in my outbox :pac:

Smcgie

I have a relative that died in prison taking drugs, the drugs that he received in prison were 'supposedly' like sleeping tables that were passed around illegally via inmates for cash/favours. He took them to help him sleep and it cost him his life...

He was in prision for a very short scentence and wasn't in prison for drug related offences but he died inside because of them. The problems are there and they can affect all of us .

Duggy747

Smcgie wrote: »

I have a relative that died in prison taking drugs, the drugs that he received in prison were 'supposedly' like sleeping tables that were passed around illegally via inmates for cash/favours. He took them to help him sleep and it cost him his life...

He was in prision for a very short scentence and wasn't in prison for drug related offences but he died inside because of them. The problems are there and they can affect all of us .

Sorry to hear that, a guy I knew died recently in prison from a mixture of sleeping pills and other stuff, too.

It's insane how popular sleeping pills are like D10s.

easyeason3

Probably as easy to get them inside as it is on the street.
So while it shouldn't happen it's probably easier for prison authorities to allow a certain amount of it pass in, at least that way the inmates into it will have a greater chance of staying quiet, depending of course on the drug.
Every once in a while there's a story about drugs & phones being confiscated but I'd be of the opinion that it's to be seen cracking the whip once in a while rather actually trying to follow the rules.

dlofnep

I know a guy who went in as a pothead, and came out as a psychotic heroin addict.

Hagar

I'm all in favour of drugs in Irish prisons, provided they are the drugs below. I've got a PayPal account set up with $86.08 begging to be spent.

Texas Dept of Criminal Justice wrote:

Lethal Injection - Execution by lethal injection is the most common method used to put condemned inmates to death today. It is achieved by the intravenous delivery of a deadly quantity of three different drugs. The inmate is placed on a gurney and his ankles and wrists are restrained. A regular saline IV line is started in both arms. Upon the signal of the warden, a large dose of sodium thiopental (a common hospital anesthetic) is delivered, causing unconsciousness. This is followed by pancuronium bromide, which is a muscle-relaxer which paralyzes the lungs and diaphragm. This causes the inmate's respiration to slow significantly. Finally, potassium chloride is introduced into the IV, which causes a fatal cardiac arrest. Death usually occurs approximately 7 minutes after the lethal injection begins. According to the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, the cost for the drugs used in lethal injection is $86.08.

baltimore sun

1st wrote: »

I'm all in favour of drugs in Irish prisons, provided they are the drugs below. I've got a PayPal account set up with $86.08 begging to be spent.

go move to Texas so

annie.t

I knew a guy who went to pison with a Bachelor of marijuana, came out with a Doctorate of cocaine.

thebaz

if they removed the benzos, methadone and hash - there could be a riot

The Aussie

They have to do something to pass the time and make the other dude look half alright:pac:...

Duggy747

Duggy747 wrote: »

Sorry to hear that, a guy I knew died recently in prison from a mixture of sleeping pills and other stuff, too.

It's insane how popular sleeping pills are like D10s.

The more ya sleep, the shorter your sentence.

anto kerr

before i start i dont take drugs

drugs are all over the place in prison i was in prison mount joy for two days an i whitness'd drugs on many occasions coming over the wall and the prison officers would see this and do noting but find it funny every one diving on the drops when i ased i guy how come they dont stop it and he said could you imagine wha it would be like in here if the officers took the drugs there would be a riot an you wouldn wannabe the guy to take on a load a prisoners in a yard to take away there drugs and it keeps a lid on the place wen they have there drugs there does be peace and quiet at night time every one goin back to do there drugs for the night

dimples06

I'm doing a research project on drugs in open prisons but cant get anyone to talk to me!! anyone have anything they can help with!!

anto kerr

dimples06 wrote: »

I'm doing a research project on drugs in open prisons but cant get anyone to talk to me!! anyone have anything they can help with!!

iv said a good bit to get u on ur way in my last post ill answer any questions u got i can tell you what iv seen in there

Amhran Nua

I think its fair to say that the 19th century Irish prison system is a crashing failure in terms of preventing crime or acting as a deterrent for prisoners, we need to look at the bigger picture and see about ways we can improve that. Some fascinating work in the CONNECT program:

The Irish prison system originated from the 19th-century English penitentiary. system, which was based on the concept of solitary cells for all inmates. The open and semi-open locations were introduced to promote rehabilitation. and are regulated by the Prisons Act of 1970.

Under most circumstances, a person must be 18 or older to be incarcerated. However, courts may commit a juvenile age 15 to 17 to a prison sentence under provisions of the 1908 Children's Act for very serious offenses and if the court determines the circumstances warrant it. Sixty-three percent of the system's offenders are age 21 to 40, with 29 the average age at time of commitment. Although 61 percent of those in prison are sentenced to more than two years, most serve less time; the average length is 11 months.

...

According to O'Donoghue, "The main result from the first stage of the CONNECT Project was the creation of a process which could clearly benefit prisoners in their preparation for employment after release. There also were some interesting facts and figures: 174 prisoners, both men and women, participated in the first stage (as of Nov. 1, 2000); of those, 76 have been released. Of the 76 who were released: 26 percent started jobs immediately, 7 percent had further training, 5 percent received residential drug treatment and 58 percent lost contact with the (prison) service. Most remarkably, of the 76 who were released, only 4 percent have been returned to prison. This needs to be set against a national pattern of 70 percent recidivism in the (Irish) prison system."

I've no idea where it is at this stage.

MaybeLogic

If one thing underlines the stupidity and futility of the "War on Drugs" it's this, that in what are supposed to be most secure buildings on the planet a constant and steady supply of illegal drugs can be maintained.
And our very own Mountjoy et al. is part of the reason for the spread of heroin throughout the country, with criminals from places outside the capital becoming hooked inside and then going on to sell the drug on their release in order to facilitate their own addictions, thus contributing to the spread of drug-related crime throughout the land.
What a fucking joke.

rgt320q

I seem to remember Red offering to get Andy a bag of reefer. So yeah, I'd imagine drugs are available in all prisons.

My name is URL

CONVICTED criminals have better technology and equipment behind bars than investigating gardai, it was claimed yesterday.

Yeah, it's a real story :pac:

Drugs are everywhere. They're in your mammy's purse, in the shop, in the bathroom, on the streets, in the pubs and clubs and especially in the prisons.

Is anyone surprised? I'm certainly not.

Does anyone care? I certainly don't.

You lock up people for possession of a drug and then it's a huge shock that the prisons you send them to are flooded with them? Durrr...

recylingbin

We need a law to ban drugs imo.

aDeener

where the fcuk are the officers to see drugs being lobbed over the wall? surely it cant be that hard to keep it away from the cunts inside

anto kerr

aDeener wrote: »

where the fcuk are the officers to see drugs being lobbed over the wall? surely it cant be that hard to keep it away from the cunts inside

they dont take them in all fairness now if you was a prison officer would you go over to a gang of prisinors some doing life and some are big huge ****ers and take there drugs stoping them from makeing money on the inside and stuff like that i think not theres more prisoners in there then officers and they have a lot less to lose then the officers do they would be bet around the place tryin to take the stuff iv been in there an seen the drugs come over the wall and was shocked to see noting done about it i even witnessed a group stand rite infront of two officers and roll a joint and noting said it keeps a lit on the place no drugs = stress and tension no drugs in the place would be like a time bomb waiting to go off

aDeener

anto kerr wrote: »

they dont take them in all fairness now if you was a prison officer would you go over to a gang of prisinors some doing life and some are big huge ****ers and take there drugs stoping them from makeing money on the inside and stuff like that i think not theres more prisoners in there then officers and they have a lot less to lose then the officers do they would be bet around the place tryin to take the stuff iv been in there an seen the drugs come over the wall and was shocked to see noting done about it i even witnessed a group stand rite infront of two officers and roll a joint and noting said it keeps a lit on the place no drugs = stress and tension no drugs in the place would be like a time bomb waiting to go off

Thats a disgrace of a story! the officers should be properly equipped so, give them tasers or something. its not good enough that just because they are already inside they can continue to break the law. anyone caught should have years added onto their sentences, solitarty confinement etc

bonerm

Isn't there not a lot of blind eyes turned to drugs entering prison becaused they've found a drugged up junkie is a lot easier to handle than one dying for a fix?

bonerm

recylingbin wrote: »

We need a law to ban drugs imo.

Agreed. We can start with tobacco and then follow with alcohol.

recylingbin

bonerm wrote: »

Agreed. We can start with tobacco and then follow with alcohol.

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Elevator

recylingbin wrote: »

We need a law to ban drugs imo.

that's a great idea, we should get in touch with our local politicians, hope this works

Elevator

aDeener wrote: »

where the fcuk are the officers to see drugs being lobbed over the wall? surely it cant be that hard to keep it away from the cunts inside

we got our latest recruit to the Irish prison service right here, can't wait to hear how well ya do keeping drugs from our lovely prisoners

aDeener

Elevator wrote: »

we got our latest recruit to the Irish prison service right here, can't wait to hear how well ya do keeping drugs from our lovely prisoners

:rolleyes:
if you read my post you would see that i put the question out there, looking to hear from someone in the know, which i did hear from.

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recylingbin wrote: »

We need a law to ban drugs imo.

:rolleyes:

recylingbin wrote: »

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Why not ban alcohol and nicotine? They are the biggest killers amounts irish citizens, yet they are legal and freely available. Anybody, of any age can get their hands on alcohol and nicotine...


What we need is a law that educates people about drugs, and I mean all drugs. From alcohol to heroin, so people can remove this ignorant idea that legal drugs are good and illegal drugs are bad. There should also be a law against propoganda, the likes which made people percieve certain drugs to be good and others to be bad, when in fact the legal drugs can be a lot worse and damaging than illegal drugs.

anto kerr

bonerm wrote: »

Isn't there not a lot of blind eyes turned to drugs entering prison becaused they've found a drugged up junkie is a lot easier to handle than one dying for a fix?

you hit the nail on the head there

thinks too much

From an insiders point of view I can tell you the following.mountjoy prison is surrounded by public roads etc so its easy to throw drugs over and into the yards,Thereare up to 100 hundred prisoners versus 4 to 5 officers in the yard when drugs come over, all can be done is watch who picks it up and report it to the governor. Its up to the governor to decide what action to take against that prisoner. from an officers point of view we have to follow the regulations set down by the governor and prison service...and before anyone starts to criticise the prison officers..it is hell on earth in there somedays and we all have families to get home to

Degsy

dlofnep wrote: »

I know a guy who went in as a pothead, and came out as a psychotic heroin addict.

Thats no surprise.
Dope is expensive in prison,its quite bulky so its not the easiest drug to sneak in.
Smack,on the other hand is worth 10 times the money and takes up a fraction of the space..you can,in jail live like a king if you have drugs to sell to halfwits.
In england the h ome secretary introduced random drug testing in prisons.
The drug that stayed longest in the system was dope..people could get thier parole hearing ****ed up because they'd smoked a joint.
Know what? They all turned to heroin..first smoking,than snorting,then skin-popping till eventually they were banging the stuff morning noon and night..they got out of prison(for maybe not paying a parking fine)clucking for heroin and buying stuff on the street.
Steet heroin is shiite in terms of content but its ten times what heroin is in prison..end result?
Blokes who've never commited a crime before..gettting strung out and eventually overdosing..found dead with a needle in thier arms.

orourkeda

Perhaps this is sadistic, but I cant think of many things that would give me more pleasure if I was a prison Guard than watching a junkie prisoner going through forced cold turkey. Just round them up put them in a yard or somewhere big enough to lock up all the addicts and let them eat each other.