Frank Fahey - Lost at Sea

jmayo

Here is another interesting example of ff using taxpayers money to benefit certain connected individuals or families.

In the year 2000, Frank Fahey, TD, property investor, brought about a very short term compensation vehicle known as 'The Lost at Sea Scheme'.
It functioned from June 2001 to 31st December 2001. The purpose of the scheme was to offer compensation in respect to any vessels lost at sea from 1980 to 1990 before the fishing boat registry came into being.

Specifically, this compensation was to be given to fishing families unable, for financial or related reasons, to continue with their tradition.

There were 67 applicants for compensation, and only 6 were deemed to qualify for compensation.
2 of these happened to be constituents of Mr Fahey.
It then transpires that of the €2.8m compensation paid, 75% of this money went to these same two constituents.

Not only that, but Mr Fahey consulted with these two individuals 4 months before the launch of the scheme, and, wrote a letter two months before the scheme ended congratulating these same two constituents about the success of their application.

All of which was unlikely to have gone noticed except that 6 parties then complained to the Ombudsman regarding their lack of success in receiving compensation. 5 of these the Ombudsman were not upheld, but in the case of the sixth, the Byrne family, who lost a father, a brother and two other crew with the loss of the Skifjord in 1981, she agreed that €250,000 worth of compensation because the scheme was fatally flawed.

The design of the scheme and the manner in which it was advertised were contrary to fair and sound administration and that these shortcomings were factors in the Byrne family not qualifying for assistance under the scheme.

The design of the scheme and the manner in which it was advertised were contrary to fair and sound administration and that these shortcomings were factors in the Byrne family not qualifying for assistance under the scheme.

Weaknesses in the design process included a lack of adequate research of files held within the department regarding vessels lost at sea during the relevant period, lack of documented analysis of the pros and cons of the Scheme’s qualifying criteria and a failure to include provision for the exercise of discretion in the vetting of applications

(Advertising of the scheme) should have been more thorough, comprehensive and targeted ...some prospective applicants were put in a more advantageous position than others as they were written to directly by the department and the minister to inform then about the Scheme when it was launched.

During a Dáil debate in 15 Oct 2009 Tom Sheahan (FG, Kerry South) said the following:

It was the way it was worked. Four months before the scheme was launched the then Minister met with the two applicants and told them to apply. The closing date for the scheme was December 2001 yet the Minister wrote to the two applicants in October 2001 and congratulated them. Thereafter, the Attorney General’s advice was that they had to receive this settlement because of the Minister’s letter. This was a con job and a set-up. I ask the Minister of State, Deputy Sargent, while he is present, if he still believes this con job is worthy of a complaint to the Standards in Public Office Commission.

Yet another misuse of taxpayers funds by a ff party minister ?

Citizen_Cutback

And there is also Atlantic Dawn : http://www.politics.ie/fianna-fail/82865-atlantic-dawn-fianna-failrs.html

moonpurple

frank fahy owns a great deal of property, as do many other fianna fail persons, nama is definitely a good idea for them, as following david mcwilliams suggestion to let property values fall would be good for 25 year olds but not for fat cats such as these..

goodness knows what they need so much property for?

Hotblack Desiato

David McWilliams has come out with far too many ridiculous suggestions to be taken seriously, e.g. leaving the euro...

jmayo

Citizen_Cutback wrote: »

And there is also Atlantic Dawn : http://www.politics.ie/fianna-fail/82865-atlantic-dawn-fianna-failrs.html

True there are a fair few dodgy decisions made around that ship as well.
In the scheme I listed above it just went to show how arrogant fahey acted during the process.
To me there should be investigation and he should be out on his ar**.
Will it happen ?

I was dispairing when I noticed no one had replied to this thread at 7.00 pm after it had been starterd at 10.45am.

Just like willie we can take the fu**ers down one by one if we have to.
Dempsey has lots of questions to answer as well regarding his little actions which benefitted ingeltont and IN.

ninja900 wrote: »

David McWilliams has come out with far too many ridiculous suggestions to be taken seriously, e.g. leaving the euro...

Yeah but he did also manage to come out with a few very correct salient ones like the fact that we were lviing in a time bomb.

A pity a few people didn't take him seriously in 2004/2005, isn't it ?

A but shure he is a crackpot right :rolleyes:

paddyland

jmayo wrote: »

Dempsey has lots of questions to answer as well regarding his little actions which benefitted ingeltont and IN.

Of them all, I would take great personal pleasure in seeing Dempsey take a bath in boiling cooking fat. That toad is the reason why I am on my uppers. It is one thing to be merely incompetent in administering government of a country, but to be so damaging to a country, indeed damaging personally to individual people's livelihoods. They should be jailed, for the sole reason of protecting a decent country and a decent people from the corruption, damage and dereliction of duty they perpetrate.

As for Fahey, he is like Dempsey, in politics purely for his own personal furtherment. Neither of these two wastrels have any loyalty to FF, they are loyal only to themselves.

donkey balls

paddyland wrote: »

Of them all, I would take great personal pleasure in seeing Dempsey take a bath in boiling cooking fat. That toad is the reason why I am on my uppers. It is one thing to be merely incompetent in administering government of a country, but to be so damaging to a country, indeed damaging personally to individual people's livelihoods as that b@stard, goes beyond party allegiances and ideologies. They should be jailed, for the sole reason of protecting a decent country and a decent people from the corruption, damage and dereliction of duty they perpetrate.

As for Fahey, he is like Dempsey, in politics purely for his own personal furtherment. Neither of these two wastrels have any loyalty to FF, they are loyal only to themselves.

dont get me started on dempsey every time i see his stupid head it makes my blood boil,i have nicked named him the minister for tolls in the near future we will have toll roads on every major road to dublin.
just say your travelling from cork to belfast you will go through 4 tolls

deadhead13

The Ombudsman's report investigating the Byrnes complaint found that they were entitled to compensation of 246,000 euro. But the Dept. of Agriculture rejected the report, which is only the second time that such a ruling had been ignored by the Government. A dail vote on whether to refer the report to the Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture was defeated. Emily O' Reilly kick up as fuss in the media, resulting in an about face by the Government and will now allow her to appear before the Committee and discuss the Lost At Sea report.

Hotblack Desiato

jmayo wrote: »

Yeah but he did also manage to come out with a few very correct salient ones like the fact that we were lviing in a time bomb.

Spout enough random stuff and some of it is bound to be correct...

jmayo

ninja900 wrote: »

Spout enough random stuff and some of it is bound to be correct...

You have to admit most of what he was saying or spouting as you say during the the bubble were correct.
Some of it wasn't just random stuff, it was truth.

Or maybe you believe ala bertie that the bubble was a boom after all and it was wrong of people like McWilliams to draw attention to the underlying shaky foundations and you blame him for talking things down ?

The fact that you refer to him spouting appears to point to fact you do not rate the guy and/or dislike him ?

BTW I don't agree with his leaving the Euro stance, but by God I have agreed with a lot of his points for most of the last 10 years.
Perhaps you would rather dan mclaughlin ?

I may not like the way he sometimes dressed up his points, but I do admire his honesty in the face of an overwhelming bought media, political authorities and mindless general populace.

Anyway back on topic where do you stand on frank fahey using a lot of taxpayers money to help a couple of constituents ?

Max Power1

ninja900 wrote: »

Spout enough random stuff and some of it is bound to be correct...

also tbf the dogs on the street know what comes up must come down.

His leaving the euro suggestion was one of the most ridiculous ideas Ive ever heard

Citizen_Cutback

jmayo wrote: »

Perhaps you would rather dan mclaughlin ?

I keep meaning to email vincent.browne@tv3.ie to suggest that he invite Dan McLaughlin onto the Tonight programme as a panelist.

Surely, if Dan ever emerges again we will know that the worst is over.