Million Dollar Baby on RTE

rich1874

This movie got a lot of positive reviews and won a rake of awards including the oscar for best picture(2004).
Does anyone else think this movie is completely pants? It's just so bad. I just couldn't feel any sympathy for the main character(Hillary swank) becasue she was just plain unlikeable. The whole story was just so predictable, how did this actually win an oscar? Because it was about a female boxer? I just don't see its appeal. Even Freeman and Eastwood were pretty unlikable characters. And Eastwood won Best Director. For what?! Must have been a pretty slow year for films.

krudler

I think its overrated, wouldnt go as far as to call it terrible, Clint plays Clint, and Morgan Freeman cant play anyone else but himself anyway so he just seems world weary and narrates the thing as usual, its alright but not as good as its acclaim would lead you to believe

MickShamrock

I think its a good movie.

trustno1

rich1874 wrote: »

This movie got a lot of positive reviews and won a rake of awards including the oscar for best picture(2004).
Does anyone else think this movie is completely pants? It's just so bad. I just couldn't feel any sympathy for the main character(Hillary swank) becasue she was just plain unlikeable. The whole story was just so predictable, how did this actually win an oscar? Because it was about a female boxer? I just don't see its appeal. Even Freeman and Eastwood were pretty unlikable characters. And Eastwood won Best Director. For what?! Must have been a pretty slow year for films.

I totally agree.. I thought it was just an 'Okay' film and don't know why it won the awards it did. And with Freeman narrating it just kept reminding me of the Shawshank Redemption and I just kept expecting to see Tim Robbins pop up at some point!.. lets put it this way, if that film had of been made by a lesser known director with a lesser know cast it would have gone straight to dvd.

fcussen

Clint Eastwood is the master of melodramatic Oscar-bait films

kmick

I was sure all the way through that she was going to get pregnant and have to chose between a baby and a boxing match "a million dollar baby". The film was above average but only just.

DeepBlue

rich1874 wrote: »

The whole story was just so predictable

I wouldn't agree with this at all. I saw it in the cinema and went in cold i.e. not really knowing much of anything about it.
The twist isn't predictable at all unless perhaps you read reviews etc and this is actually my problem with it. The first two thirds of the movie set you up for one type of film and the final third turns out to be something else entirely.
It didn't work for me as it just seemed like two disjointed movies tacked together.

kraggy

Clint Eastwood, followed closely by Martin Scorcese, is the most overrated director in modern day film-making.

fcussen

Eastwood sucks but anyone who thinks "Goodfellas" is overrated can go suck a lemon.

Magic Eight Ball

kraggy wrote: »

Clint Eastwood, followed closely by Martin Scorcese, is the most overrated director in modern day film-making.

GTFO!!

Tell me one thing that's overrated about the followng..

Mean Streets
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
The King of Comedy
Goodfellas
Casino

gooch2k9

Clintwood directed Gran Torino didn't he? I thought that was brilliant.

pirelli

Trevor Coulahan wrote: »

GTFO!!

Tell me one thing that's overrated about the followng..

Mean Streets
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
The King of Comedy
Goodfellas
Casino

That is lots and lots of de-niro and lots of 1970's/80's.

Magic Eight Ball

pirelli wrote: »

That is lots and lots of de-niro and lots of 1970's/80's.

.. and your point being? Yon don't consider 70/80's cinema modern day?

bonerm

fcussen wrote: »

Eastwood sucks but anyone who thinks "Goodfellas" is overrated can go suck a lemon.

Exactly. If you've got anything bad to say about Scorcese then probably best to act like Johnny Tightlips and say nuthin.

irishh_bob

rich1874 wrote: »

This movie got a lot of positive reviews and won a rake of awards including the oscar for best picture(2004).
Does anyone else think this movie is completely pants? It's just so bad. I just couldn't feel any sympathy for the main character(Hillary swank) becasue she was just plain unlikeable. The whole story was just so predictable, how did this actually win an oscar? Because it was about a female boxer? I just don't see its appeal. Even Freeman and Eastwood were pretty unlikable characters. And Eastwood won Best Director. For what?! Must have been a pretty slow year for films.

might be a tad over rated ( i like it personally ) but its way better than unforgiven which IMO is very over rated

Shryke

People calling films over-rated; not saying if you actually like or dislike them.

I thought it was a good film. Knew nothing about it when I watched it. No idea there would be a twist. I copped on only minutes before and I thought it was very well done. Things like that just happen and suddenly everything is different.
Also I think Unforgiven is great. Not a masterpiece but a very good film.

kraggy

Trevor Coulahan wrote: »

GTFO!!

Tell me one thing that's overrated about the followng..

Mean Streets
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
The King of Comedy
Goodfellas
Casino

Means Streets - considered a landmark in 70's film, one wonders why.

Taxi Driver - Have never understood people's amount of **** over this film. Decent but not a masterpiece as suggested by some.

Raging Bull - Good film

Goodfellas - Again, like Taxi Driver, sometimes I feel that people feel compelled to state in social circles that they are "classics". Please, people, start using your own brains and saying something is a classic because YOU like it, not others.

Casino - I would actually class this as one of his best. Perhaps the opposite of his other films in that Casino didn't get ENOUGH praise.

Now, let's mention the films that you conveniently forgot to mention:

Aviator - overlong, piece of style and damn all substance.

Gangs of New York - do I actually have to justify this one?

Bringing out the Dead - Not sure where to start.

In summary, I don't doubt that Scorcese has made some decent films, but to hold him up as a legend is pure nonsense. It's usually people who insist that Empire is a good magazine who go on and on about Scorcese being the "best director of all time".

Give me a brown bag to vomit into and sledgehammer to take to them people's faces.

kraggy

fcussen wrote: »

Eastwood sucks but anyone who thinks "Goodfellas" is overrated can go suck a lemon.

I don't have any lemons here. Send one over. Thanks.

fcussen

I don't get how you can think Casino is underrated but Goodfellas ain't all that. Casino is just Goodfellas in Vegas.

kraggy

No it's not. They're more different than that.

Goodfellas is a good film but it's not one of the best films of all time is all I'm saying. But that's in my opinion. That's the whole thing about film, music etc. It's a matter of opinion.

That said, anyone who considers Goodfellas the best film of all time has clearly not seen enough film.

fcussen

kraggy wrote: »

Means Streets - considered a landmark in 70's film, one wonders why.

Because its ultra naturalistic style had very little precedent in American cinema.

kraggy

fcussen wrote: »

Because its ultra naturalistic style had very little precedent in American cinema.

Just because something does something that hasn't been done before, doesn't make it the best in the category in question.

ultain

gooch2k9 wrote: »

Clintwood directed Gran Torino didn't he? I thought that was brilliant.

ah ha! april fool:D

AttackThePoster

Wow, kraggy coming out with all types of wrong in this thread. I like how you conveniently forgot to mention The King of Comedy, one of my favourite Scorsese movies (Still have many left to watch, mind).

Goodfellas - Again, like Taxi Driver, sometimes I feel that people feel compelled to state in social circles that they are "classics". Please, people, start using your own brains and saying something is a classic because YOU like it, not others.

Um, what? If I like a film, I'll state that. I won't say I like a film if I, ehhh, don't like it but others do. Wtf


I'm not even a big fan of his recent output but I do recognise that he's one of the better director's out there. I can tell when I'm watching a Scorsese movie, can't say that about many director's tbh.

AttackThePoster

fcussen wrote: »

Clint Eastwood is the master of melodramatic Oscar-bait films

Too true. Think he's a pretty terrible director. Always takes the easy option and treats the viewer as complete simpleton. I will say that Mystic River was a decent watch but would I watch it again? Nope. Invictus is a perfect example of why Clint is a poor director - should have just stuck to acting.

chopperbyrne

kraggy wrote: »

No it's not. They're more different than that.

Goodfellas is a good film but it's not one of the best films of all time is all I'm saying. But that's in my opinion. That's the whole thing about film, music etc. It's a matter of opinion.

That said, anyone who considers Goodfellas the best film of all time has clearly not seen enough film.

Would you get out of your own hole!

So everyone must agree with what you consider to be the best film of all time because you're oh so enlightened and have clearly "seen enough film"?

kraggy

AttackThePoster wrote: »

Wow, kraggy coming out with all types of wrong in this thread. I like how you conveniently forgot to mention The King of Comedy, one of my favourite Scorsese movies (Still have many left to watch, mind).



Um, what? If I like a film, I'll state that. I won't say I like a film if I, ehhh, don't like it but others do. Wtf


I'm not even a big fan of his recent output but I do recognise that he's one of the better director's out there. I can tell when I'm watching a Scorsese movie, can't say that about many director's tbh.

Wasn't saying you personally pal. But it does happen. Plenty of people stand in circles in pub environments and say "oh yes, Goodfellas, classic" because if you don't, you're seen as odd (this discussion = QED )

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Would you get out of your own hole!

So everyone must agree with what you consider to be the best film of all time because you're oh so enlightened and have clearly "seen enough film"?

Did I say that people must agree with my choice for best film of all time? Where did I say that? Please, do show me.

You won't be able to because I didn't say it.

And I wouldn't say that "xxx is the best film of all time" because you cannot compare something in the horror genre with something in, say, the documentary genre. One cannot say that one is better than the other because it's not comparing like with like.

Also, as stated in my earlier post, film is a matter of opinion. Therefore, none of us can say what is the best film of all time (besides the fact that such an entity does not exist) because it is a matter of opinion.

You can say Goodfellas is your FAVOURITE film but you can't say it's the BEST film of all time.

AttackThePoster

I'll say what ever the hell I want to say.

You're coming across terribly here so it's probably best you just stop now.

kraggy

AttackThePoster wrote: »

I'll say what ever the hell I want to say.

You're coming across terribly here so it's probably best you just stop now.

You can, but you'd be wrong.

I'm not coming across terribly. I'm merely putting across a point. Which you can't seem to do without getting into a sulk.

But you're new here. Give it time, you'll learn how to debate.

trustno1

AttackThePoster wrote: »

I'll say what ever the hell I want to say.

You're coming across terribly here so it's probably best you just stop now.

Eh.. I don't think Kraggy is coming across terribly here at all!.. but as Kraggy has metioned, everyone has their own opinion.. 100% agree that people will go with the crowd when certain films like Goodfellas, Taxi Driver and dare I say it The Godfather are mentioned and they wouldn't dream of saying that they didn't enjoy them. I personally enjoyed the first two - but wouldn't rate them in MY personnal favourite films of all time, as for The Godfather trilogy.. boring....

Closed ac

Never heard of this film until now.. is it any good? Why's the baby so expensive?

AttackThePoster

kraggy wrote: »

You can, but you'd be wrong.

I'm not coming across terribly. I'm merely putting across a point. Which you can't seem to do without getting into a sulk.

But you're new here. Give it time, you'll learn how to debate.

Don't get all patronising with me.

To be honest, you seem to be the one that's getting into a sulk. You've yet to comment on The King of Comedy by the way.

I'll say what ever the hell I want to say.

You can, but you'd be wrong.

Smooooooth.

100% agree that people will go with the crowd when certain films like Goodfellas, Taxi Driver and dare I say it The Godfather are mentioned and they wouldn't dream of saying that they didn't enjoy them. I personally enjoyed the first two - but wouldn't rate them in MY personnal favourite films of all time, as for The Godfather trilogy.. boring....

Um, I know plenty of people that don't like The Godfather movies. More of my friends dislike it than enjoy it. And you don't enjoy it either. So I don't know where you're trying to go with that as it just doesn't make any sense. Why would anyone say they enjoyed a film they didn't?

indough

kraggy wrote: »

Wasn't saying you personally pal. But it does happen. Plenty of people stand in circles in pub environments and say "oh yes, Goodfellas, classic" because if you don't, you're seen as odd (this discussion = QED )

yeah thats almost as annoying as people saying they dont like a film just because its popular...

Magic Eight Ball

kraggy wrote: »

to hold him up as a legend is pure nonsense.

Remind me again where I used the expression 'legend'?! :rolleyes:

kraggy wrote: »

Give me a brown bag to vomit into and sledgehammer to take to them people's faces.

Lose the attitude already.

Mint Sauce

quite enjoyed the film my self

DKZ wrote: »

Never heard of this film until now.. is it any good? Why's the baby so expensive?

film

at a guess would say its something to do with the purse they were fighting for in her last fight, or how she earned all this wealth compared to what she had, and was then totally dependent on her trainer after she became paralysed who was like a father to her

kraggy

Trevor Coulahan wrote: »

Remind me again where I used the expression 'legend'?! :rolleyes:



Lose the attitude already.

I didn't say you said he was a legend. Read my post again Trevor. In particular the sentence after that. I refer to people in general, not you personally.

And I've no attitude.

It's gas, what has happened in this thread is exactly what I'm talking about. A guy says he doesn't rate Goodfellas as highly as other films and he gets slaughtered.

Magic Eight Ball

kraggy wrote: »

I didn't say you said he was a legend. Read my post again Trevor. In particular the sentence after that. I refer to people in general, not you personally.

And I've no attitude.

It's gas, what has happened in this thread is exactly what I'm talking about. A guy says he doesn't rate Goodfellas as highly as other films and he gets slaughtered.

It's not my intention to 'slaughter' anyone. I'm not even a massive Scorsese fan + I don't consider him a legend or anything close, but to say he's overratted is ridiculous.
He's a fine filmmaker who more often than not delivers the goods.

FYI: I think The Godfather is a better film than Goodfellas anyways..

AttackThePoster

No you're getting 'slaughtered' because you're coming across as a total spa.

kraggy

AttackThePoster wrote: »

No you're getting 'slaughtered' because you're coming across as a total spa.

See this is how it works.

You make a point, I make a point. If we don't agree, we agree to disagree.

Simple as that.

Post reported for abuse.

You disagree with my post, fair enough. You attack the poster instead of the post, you get banned. Hopefully.

kraggy

Trevor Coulahan wrote: »

It's not my intention to 'slaughter' anyone. I'm not even a massive Scorsese fan + I don't consider him a legend or anything close, but to say he's overratted is ridiculous.
He's a fine filmmaker who more often than not delivers the goods.

FYI: I think The Godfather is a better film than Goodfellas anyways..

Fair enough Trevor. Like I said, matter of opinion. Everyone's entitled to their own.

And yes, I too would definitely put Godfather ahead of Goodfellas. By a country mile in fact.

ultain

:cool:"You talking to me?..no one else here..you talking to me??" .....:cool:

AttackThePoster

kraggy wrote: »

See this is how it works.

You make a point, I make a point. If we don't agree, we agree to disagree.

Simple as that.

Post reported for abuse.

You disagree with my post, fair enough. You attack the poster instead of the post, you get banned. Hopefully.

Hahahaha, who actually reports posts ffs?

Plus, look at my name...jesus, that's priceless.

rich1874

irishh_bob wrote: »

might be a tad over rated ( i like it personally ) but its way better than unforgiven which IMO is very over rated

I agree with Unforgiven too, sat down and watched it for the first time all the way through on sunday night, and it just.... wasn't very good. Again another Eastwood film which got more acclaim than it should have, although i have to say i liked Freeman in it.

pirelli

Trevor Coulahan wrote: »

GTFO!!

Tell me one thing that's overrated about the followng..

Mean Streets
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
The King of Comedy
Goodfellas
Casino

pirelli wrote: »

That is lots and lots of de-niro and lots of 1970's/80's.

Trevor Coulahan wrote: »

.. and your point being? Yon don't consider 70/80's cinema modern day?

Not making a point. De-Niro is the lead actor in nearly every one of those films. The films were mainly made in the 1970's/80's. He has made many more successful films throught the last 40 years... 47 in all and with many different lead actors. It appears you like the films with De-Niro in star roles.


Scorsee use of the camera and editing ( if it was his invention or something he learned at film school and used with great skill.. who knows) is obviously very good and he practically invented MTV. Was he a former day guy ritchie who knows. Is he good, damn right he is good.


However is he becoming a movie factory. He usually averages one film a year and when he exceeds this they are not a big hit. In fact he has gone years without making a film. This year he made 3 projects and in 2011 two more big movies and 6 more projects in the works. That is a huge workload for one man. Are there other struggling directors out there.. YES!

Guy Ritchie used alot of this type of camera tricky and editing in his movies which were also popular. Is Guy Ritchie an underrated director?