Looking for a light pair of climbing wheels

jag con

Hi all i am looking for a set of wheels for climbing something nice and light with a price range of between 400-500

something like these

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=29086

or

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=18355

Cheers
Con

jwshooter

The dura ace are 1434 grms

shapez

These come highly recommended...

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=29086

And if you wanted to stay Mavic these...

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=30809

jag con

shapez wrote: »

These come highly recommended...

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=29086

And if you wanted to stay Mavic these...

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=30809

Cheers Shapez yeah the Pro Lite are one on my list not a bad price for a wheel set that is less than 1500g

Con

tunney

Climbing wheels?
Have you hit 6% BF?

jag con

tunney wrote: »

Climbing wheels?
Have you hit 6% BF?

What do you mean ?

Lumen

jag con wrote: »

What do you mean ?

BF=body fat.

I think Tunney is again suggesting that no-one is allowed to buy light wheels unless they have world-class levels of body fat (and by "world class", I mean "almost nothing", not "built like a sumo").

As I'm sure you remember, we discussed the objective and subjective advantages of fancy wheels on your other wheel thread.

Lumen

Haven't read much about those pro-lites, but look good value if the weight is correct. Might be worth investigating rider weight limits.

Generally speaking there are a few ways of making a wheel lighter:

- Lower profile rim. Problem: less aero, although some not so bad, e.g. 7850s.
- Fewer spokes. Problem: higher spoke loads, wheel may become unrideable with spoke breakage.
- Alloy nipples. Problem: seizing can be an issue, which is a durability issue.
- Thinner rim wall. Problem: rim wears out quicker.
- Composite rim. Problem: expensive and/or less durable, and poorer braking with carbon braking surface.
- Lighter hub design. Problem: less durable, sometimes more difficult to maintain (special tools required).
- Lighter seals. Actually this is nothing to do with weight, but reduces apparent bearing drag so the wheels spins free for longer. This makes no difference in the real world, and is just a marketing feature. Problem: water/crud gets in an wrecks bearings.

And then the general issue is that lighter wheels may be more flexible, causing brake rub (which is very annoying).

So basically it's difficult to go past a certain point (arguable, but probably around 1500-1600g) without introducing some significant compromises in the wheel. It depends what you consider acceptable.

I'd be a bit nervous about anything much under 1500g if I was >80kg. There are a couple of decent options around that weight (e.g. Ksyriums, 7850s) which are stiff enough.

tunney

Lumen wrote: »

BF=body fat.

I think Tunney is again suggesting that no-one is allowed to buy light wheels unless they have world-class levels of body fat (and by "world class", I mean "almost nothing", not "built like a sumo").

As I'm sure you remember, we discussed the objective and subjective advantages of fancy wheels on your other wheel thread.

Aye - if you have a gut then why buy climbing wheels. Putting down the pie will help your climbing so much more.

6% would be an exageration but if its not under 15% you're just wasting your money.

blorg

If you are on the heavier side something like Easton EA90SLs may be a good bet. Reasonably aero, reasonably light (1,532g) but a few extra spokes compared to the EA90SLX. I have ridden them myself all winter and they are nice wheels. I have two lighter wheelsets (1,355 and 1,450g) but I reckon these ones would be my #1 race clincher.

bbosco

Have a look here:
http://www.wheelsmith.co.uk/wheelprices.htm

Plenty of options there between €400-500 that'll work out in or around 1500g.

Caroline_ie

Looks like I need new wheels too ... my back wheel has now also abandonned me after my crash last weekend ... balls ...

pmg001

tunney wrote: »

6% would be an exageration but if its not under 15% you're just wasting your money.

http://www.training4cyclists.com/how-much-time-does-extra-weight-cost-on-alpe-dhuez/

Wow approx. 3 hours at 275 watts!!

jag con

pmg001 wrote: »

http://www.training4cyclists.com/how-much-time-does-extra-weight-cost-on-alpe-dhuez/

Wow approx. 3 hours at 275 watts!!

Cheers pmg001 some interesting info there

Con

el tel

Lumen wrote: »

As I'm sure you remember, we discussed the objective and subjective advantages of fancy wheels on your other wheel thread.

I just don't get it when the same people post multiple threads on the same question they have. People take the time and make the effort to reply to the first thread, long discussion ensues and then two months later - esssentially same question asked again.

Jag con - why do this?

in fact, your last thread ended like this:

jag con wrote: »

Ordered the Shimano Duar-ace Clincker 7850 CL from crc for 550 delivered

Happy days

Should see them on monday

Thanks for all the advice lads

Con

Don't these , the ones you supposedly bought, EXACTLY meet the requirement you have AGAIN this time??

jag con

el tel wrote: »

I just don't get it when the same people post multiple threads on the same question they have. People take the time and make the effort to reply to the first thread, long discussion ensues and then two months later - esssentially same question asked again.

Jag con - why do this?

in fact, your last thread ended like this:



Don't these , the ones you supposedly bought, EXACTLY meet the requirement you have AGAIN this time??

Thanks El Tel for your kind words which really help me ,i come on here to ask for advice if you have a problem with that feel free to pm me or dont bother reading and replying to my thread

Once again i appreciate all the advice i get here from people WHO WILL ANSWER MY QUESTIONS AND GIVE EXCELLENT ADVICE

El Tel dont bother with my threads in future if they are so annoying

tunney

jag con wrote: »

Thanks El Tel for your kind words which really help me ,i come on here to ask for advice if you have a problem with that feel free to pm me or dont bother reading and replying to my thread

Once again i appreciate all the advice i get here from people WHO WILL ANSWER MY QUESTIONS AND GIVE EXCELLENT ADVICE

El Tel dont bother with my threads in future if they are so annoying

But there is a limit to how many times people will reply to the same topic from the same poster.

Lumen

jag con, did you buy the 7850 CLs? How do you find them?

el tel

jag con wrote: »

Thanks El Tel for your kind words which really help me ,i come on here to ask for advice if you have a problem with that feel free to pm me or dont bother reading and replying to my thread

Once again i appreciate all the advice i get here from people WHO WILL ANSWER MY QUESTIONS AND GIVE EXCELLENT ADVICE

El Tel dont bother with my threads in future if they are so annoying

Sorry mate, I gave plenty of positive advice on your last thread, which you even acknowledged yourself, but to be fair I'm now thinking 'time waster'. Can't help it.

tunney wrote:

But there is a limit to how many times people will reply to the same topic from the same poster.

^Zactly^

blorg

In fairness the last thread started off asking about deep section aero wheels and he was steered towards lightweight climbing wheels; this one then is asking about lightweight climbing wheels and he is being dissuaded from going too low on the weight unless he is quite light to start with (probably a reasonable point, no point shaving grams on the bike if you have kilos on yourself, and the really light wheels may not be suitable for a heavier rider.)

@jag con- did you get the DA 7850 CLs? If you have them already to be honest I doubt there is a better lightweight climbing wheel out there right now.

jag con

blorg wrote: »

In fairness the last thread started off asking about deep section aero wheels and he was steered towards lightweight climbing wheels; this one then is asking about lightweight climbing wheels and he is being dissuaded from going too low on the weight unless he is quite light to start with (probably a reasonable point, no point shaving grams on the bike if you have kilos on yourself, and the really light wheels may not be suitable for a heavier rider.)

@jag con- did you get the DA 7850 CLs? If you have them already to be honest I doubt there is a better lightweight climbing wheel out there right now.

Thanks Blorg yes my original thread started off asking about deep section Aero wheels and i ended up getting the DA 7850cl which i sold on after a while as i needed some funds for something else

i also bought a set of Mavic Cosmic Carbonnes SL which i really love. I just wanted some advice on the two wheel sets that i posted the links too

El Tel I AM NOT A TIME WASTER AT ALL I AM A KEEN CYCLIST AND I USE THIS SITE FOR ADVICE [ WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU I BEGINNING TO WONDER SHOULD I BOTHER ASKING FOR ADVICE ] YOU ARE INFACT WASTING MY TIME ON HERE IF YOU DONT HAVE ANY ADVICE ON WHEELS FOR ME DONT BOTHER YOUR .... RESPONDING TO MY QUESTION

jag con

Lumen wrote: »

jag con, did you buy the 7850 CLs? How do you find them?

hI Lumen i bought the CLs and found them quite good but i sold them on as i needed some dosh for something else im beginning to regret that now.

jag con

tunney wrote: »

But there is a limit to how many times people will reply to the same topic from the same poster.

hI Tunney my original thread started off asking for advice on deep section aero wheels

And this thread is about light climbing wheels

amused2death

Currently there is a great range of wheels available. so called areo wheels which are commonly used in road racing and of carbon construction. There is also the multi purpose wheel set which is very light weight but not as aerodynamic typically made from alloy but very durable. Most rider seem to go for "clinchers" avoiding the more costly tubulars despite their notably better traction qualities.
My own opinion would be that weight and aero dynamics is less of a factor in road racing over dependability, durability and traction. Yet most riders today seems to take the opposing view.
comments welcome

blorg

amused2death wrote: »

My own opinion would be that weight and aero dynamics is less of a factor in road racing over dependability, durability and traction. Yet most riders today seems to take the opposing view.
comments welcome

Really depends on the existence or not of the owld "team car" behind you. Deep section carbon certainly feels fantastic.