The Ban - Importing from UK Possible?

di11on

Hi folks,

Just wondering... if you bought an AEG in the North, or in Great Britain, could you disassemble the device and bring it in legally???

Edit, just realised that you need to have a membership card to buy an AEG in the UK, so the answer to the above is academic really!

ED E

The exemption for Irish players simply requires you to have a booking in a venue, that permits all your kit to cross the border and back for your skirmish. As far as I know you could just get a UK player to buy it for you and then once he's handed it over to you then its covered by your exemption.

Note: I havent studied the VCRA in detail, somebody in the UK would be better able to advise you on the specifics.

Lemming

The whole UKARA thing (not the VCRA per-se, so don't get the two confused) only applies to sales of RIFs within the UK. For example, if I wish to purchase a RIF from Fire-Support I will need to cite my UKARA number or prove otherwise that I am entitled to the VCRA defense and ergo a legitimate skirmisher since the destination for the sale would be within the UK

If you want to purchase a RIF from Fire-Support, you don't need to provide anything other than your payment details since the destination is not within the UK.

Some retailers insist upon a UKARA number for purchase, others don't exclusively use the UKARA number. But it only applies to sales within the UK. Simple take on the issue but there ye go.

Airsoft Reloded

The new Irish legislation bars personall imports no?

Puding

Airsoft Reloded wrote: »

The new Irish legislation bars personall imports no?

yes, it restricts the importation of rifs from outside of the republic of Ireland be that the uk or hk or anywhere in between unless you have a licence

edit: as tony pointed out and previous post, the bill is on the books but not being enforced yet

Airsoft Reloded

Puding wrote: »

yes, it restricts the importation of rifs from outside of the republic of Ireland be that the uk or hk or anywhere in between unless you have a licence

Yeah I thought so, kind of makes this topic defunct.

Puding

i depends as there is an interesting area of being able to travel abroad and buy rifs and bring them back with you, a number of uk retailers will sell to people to abroad if they can prove that of course they are from say Ireland as the restrictions in the uk only apply to uk residence, but this is a bit up in the air as the set of circumstances tbh were not planned for when the system was set up

Shiva

Airsoft Reloded wrote: »

The new Irish legislation bars personall imports no?

It hasnt come into effect yet though - the Department are still working on issuing retailer licenses, and until they're issued, personal imports are not restricted. But naturally, they're subject to testing it customs decide to send them to Garda headquarters.

kdouglas

I can't remember the precise wording of the law, but the main issue was with bringing stuff in through the postal service/couriers, so realistically bringing stuff back on the ferry or something shouldn't be an issue, however it depends on what way the actual law was worded. Either way, it's not law yet as pointed out already.

Puding

kdouglas wrote: »

I can't remember the precise wording of the law, but the main issue was with bringing stuff in through the postal service/couriers, so realistically bringing stuff back on the ferry or something shouldn't be an issue, however it depends on what way the actual law was worded. Either way, it's not law yet as pointed out already.

it is something that im keen to hear about as if they have an issue with people bringing items into the country by ferry and plane tha you may have brought abroad, then it brings up a number of issue regarding people traveling abroad to play, as you say we will have to wait and see

Airsoft Reloded

kdouglas wrote: »

I can't remember the precise wording of the law, but the main issue was with bringing stuff in through the postal service/couriers, so realistically bringing stuff back on the ferry or something shouldn't be an issue, however it depends on what way the actual law was worded. Either way, it's not law yet as pointed out already.

Thats a fair point actually, so the law seems to be put in place only to relieve pressure on customs.

Puding wrote: »

it is something that im keen to hear about as if they have an issue with people bringing items into the country by ferry and plane tha you may have brought abroad, then it brings up a number of issue regarding people traveling abroad to play, as you say we will have to wait and see

Another fair point, has anyone actually seen the exact wording?

Puding

the exact wording is in place as the bill has been passed i think the iaa have a copy on the site, i have one somewhere will need to drag it out, the issue will be interpretation and how this effects implementation anyone who has dealt with different customs offices around the country knows how much of an issue interpretation is

Shiva

Just so theres no confusion too, "importing" means buying something abroad, and bringing it back into the country, whether you carry it yourself, or have it posted.

Importing does not mean taking your own kit abroad and then taking it home again, or visitors bringing their kit into the country for specific events.

I also think, though I'm open to correction, that moving to this country to live from abroad and bringing your kit with you would also be ok, because its your own property already.

Puding

Shiva wrote: »

Just so theres no confusion too, "importing" means buying something abroad, and bringing it back into the country, whether you carry it yourself, or have it posted.

Importing does not mean taking your own kit abroad and then taking it home again, or visitors bringing their kit into the country for specific events.

I also think, though I'm open to correction, that moving to this country to live from abroad and bringing your kit with you would also be ok, because its your own property already.

have to agree tony this was my understanding of 'importing' which is why i have concerns with regards to implementation, the issue i hope does not arise is where you have to start almost logging your items out when you leave the country to show that your not 'importing'

this topic was raised at this years iaa agm and the iaa answer was to the best of there knowledge you would be able to buy something when you where abroad and bring it back

if this is not the case and they want to stop this type of activity as well it could get interesting in terms of enforcement, as i said above the only way to do it would to literally when you leave the country for an even declare everything your taking, otherwise its a simple task to buy something throw the box away and put it into a gunbag for the trip back

gerrowadat

Yes, technically if you bought a RIF off a trader in england and brought it back on a ferry, it's importing. So you're technically not allowed do that once the ban is implemented.

Technically.

However, this applies to anything for tax reasons. If I buy an ice cream cone in holyhead and it's still there when I get to dublin, I'm supposed to present receipts and pay irish VAT and duty.

Technically.

kdouglas

gerrowadat wrote: »

However, this applies to anything for tax reasons. If I buy an ice cream cone in holyhead and it's still there when I get to dublin, I'm supposed to present receipts and pay irish VAT and duty.

Technically.

Not if it's bought within the EU I believe?

Hence why Irish customs cant stop the vast numbers of people who were/are going up north to do their shopping and buy electronics.

Shiva

kdouglas wrote: »

Not if it's bought within the EU I believe?

Hence why Irish customs cant stop the vast numbers of people who were/are going up north to do their shopping and buy electronics.

Correct. You've already paid VAT at the point of purchase.

Also, I was talking specifically about the concept of importing when applied to RIFs, not so much as the tax implications.