Only a matter of time?

recylingbin

Is it only a matter of time before boy scout leaders are accused of paedophilia?
They probably had more opportunity than priests and I don't know how thorough their vetting was for positions in the organisation, but I'd guess not very.

DazMarz

If that's the case, just because they have ''easier'' access to children... teachers, doctors, special needs assistants, school bus drivers, etc. will all be joining your list of the damned...

Boy Scout leaders, unlike priests, have no archaic and powerful organisation to hide behind, so I doubt your prediction will come true, tbh.

recylingbin

DazMarz wrote: »

If that's the case, just because they have ''easier'' access to children... teachers, doctors, special needs assistants, school bus drivers, etc. will all be joining your list of the damned...

Boy Scout leaders, unlike priests, have no archaic and powerful organisation to hide behind, so I doubt your prediction will come true, tbh.

I certainly hope not.
But surely a paedo would look at the scouts as a huge opportunity?

I vote for the banning of scouts until this scandal is cleared up.

starbelgrade

"Ban kids until all the peados are rounded up"

Daily Mail. 30 March 2010.

vicecreamsundae

DazMarz wrote: »

Boy Scout leaders, unlike priests, have no archaic and powerful organisation to hide behind, so I doubt your prediction will come true, tbh.

while that's true, if a pedophile WAS looking for access to young children, becoming a scout leader is a lot easier, more fun and takes wayyy less commintment than becoming a priest. jus' sayin'.

i don't think that scout leaders should be treated like suspects or anything.
though, anecdotally, i do know someone whose scout leader touched them.

recylingbin

starbelgrade wrote: »

"Ban kids until all the peados are rounded up"

That's the kind of can do attitude that we need.



I thought paedophiles just liked children and that it was pederasts we had to watch out for.

starbelgrade

recylingbin wrote: »

That's the kind of can do attitude that we need.



I thought paedophiles just liked children and that it was pederasts we had to watch out for.

No - if it wasn't for those pesky kids... etc.

recylingbin

we need to introduce this kind of stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc

without the mishap.

recylingbin

DazMarz wrote: »

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Boy Scout leaders, unlike priests, have no archaic and powerful organisation to hide behind, so I doubt your prediction will come true, tbh.

Actually, upon re-examination of this statement, I must query that. Aren't scouts basically freemasons?

OutlawPete

recylingbin wrote: »

Is it only a matter of time before boy scout leaders are accused of paedophilia?

No, sure if that was the case Swimming coaches would also have been found to be acting like priests.

They have hands on contact giving swimming lessons to kids.

Nope just the priests me thinks.

cafecolour

I'm sure there's random incidents, but boy scout leaders are volunteer and not necessarily in short supply - the scout organization would kick them to curb.

Also, I was in scouts, and there'd be very little points where I'd be left alone with a scoutmaster - you're generally operating in groups.

They didn't have a moron screening unfortunately though. One of my leaders (in the US) was a stereotype of an uber-nationalistic right wing Christian American. Some of the stuff that came out of his mouth - it's pretty bad when you're an adult and 12 year-olds can tell your a moron.

cafecolour

OTOH. I just went and googled boy scout pedophile and this lovely quote was referenced:

Baden-Powell, the founder of the scout movement, liked to look at photos of nude schoolboys with his friend, a schoolmaster and keen amateur snapper of his pupils. This seemed perfectly natural to them, part of the healthy outdoor life. Now they would get into serious trouble.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/may/28/childprotection

Note that the article is defending this as innocent not accusing him of anything, but yeah... Gives a bit of a lewis carol vibe.

Xluna

recylingbin wrote: »

Is it only a matter of time before boy scout leaders are accused of paedophilia?
They probably had more opportunity than priests and I don't know how thorough their vetting was for positions in the organisation, but I'd guess not very.

Here comes the mass hysteria.:rolleyes: Ever see the episode of South park called "Called child abduction is not funny"?

Agent Smith

When I was a Scout Leader I had to Get Garda Clearance Before you can get your Licence.
Same as a Doctor, Nurse, Priest, Teacher or Social worker

Agent Smith

recylingbin wrote: »

Is it only a matter of time before boy scout leaders are accused of paedophilia?
They probably had more opportunity than priests and I don't know how thorough their vetting was for positions in the organisation, but I'd guess not very.

Also, FYI


Hasnt been boy scouts in years. Hell, in some groups the girls serriously outnumber the boys.


http://www.scouts.ie

inforfun

starbelgrade wrote: »

"Ban kids until all the peados are rounded up"

Daily Mail. 30 March 2010.

Can we start by banning them from planes?

starbelgrade

starbelgrade wrote: »

"Ban kids until all the peados are rounded up"

Ah we can't just ban kids.. It's not their fault that they're so cute.

aoifecmcc

as Agent Smith said you have to be Garda vetted to be allowed to work with youth members in scouting. The Scouting Ireland rules have been changed recently so that no adult scouter is allowed to go away on overnight trips or be left unsupervised with youth members until their garda vetting is approved.

All scout leaders have to complete child protection training also. this is meant to ensure that any scout leader doesnt put themself in a sticky situation that could be misconstrued e.g. one leader left alone with one scout. any leader with half a brain knows that you shouldnt let yourself be in a situation where you are left alone with only one scout- 'the rule of threes' ie make sure there are always at least 3 people around.

As agent smith said too, yes its also true that in many groups there are many females in scouting now as males, and in some cases girls out-number the guys

recylingbin

agent smith wrote:

When I was a Scout Leader I had to Get Garda Clearance Before you can get your Licence.
Same as a Doctor, Nurse, Priest, Teacher or Social worker

I'm not talking about the modern organisation. I'm talking about the old one from the 70s and 80s.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything either. I;m just musing on whether ther will be a spate of allegations in the coming years due to the lax checks and access to children at that time.

landsleaving

As long as there are alarmists who think that if one organisation can do it then everyone can, then yes, there probably will be a spate of allegations.

Has anyone come forward to say there was abuse in anything similar regarding access to children though? Not that I've heard but I could be wrong.

Dave!

Scouts don't have to commit to a life of celibacy

So I reckon there'll be nothing like the kind of shenanigans uncovered in the CC.

Dudess

I'd imagine any man who works with children has felt compelled to tread carefully at some point due to paedo obsessives.

major bill

Please lock this thread!!!! no wonder no one wants to volunteer for kids groups anymore when people are quick to wonder if they are touching the kids up cause they have ''easy access''.

The_Kew_Tour

recylingbin wrote: »

Is it only a matter of time before boy scout leaders are accused of paedophilia?
They probably had more opportunity than priests and I don't know how thorough their vetting was for positions in the organisation, but I'd guess not very.

Proof or gtfo

landsleaving

I think the OP is forgetting about scouts honour. If only the Catholic Church had something like that.

Nulty

cafecolour wrote: »

OTOH. I just went and googled boy scout pedophile and this lovely quote was referenced:

Baden-Powell, the founder of the scout movement, liked to look at photos of nude schoolboys with his friend, a schoolmaster and keen amateur snapper of his pupils. This seemed perfectly natural to them, part of the healthy outdoor life. Now they would get into serious trouble.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/may/28/childprotection

Note that the article is defending this as innocent not accusing him of anything, but yeah... Gives a bit of a lewis carol vibe.

Thats a very interesting article. Raises a few questions I never thought to ask myself....

Jesus Wept

adrian280582 wrote: »

Proof or gtfo

He was speculating.

Dudess

major bill wrote: »

Please lock this thread!!!! no wonder no one wants to volunteer for kids groups anymore when people are quick to wonder if they are touching the kids up cause they have ''easy access''.

I think discussions like this are good though for dispelling these very notions.

Nulty

Dave! wrote: »

Scouts don't have to commit to a life of celibacy

So I reckon there'll be nothing like the kind of shenanigans uncovered in the CC.

That argument has been thoroughly investigated in other thread. Many paedofiles are in relationships/not celebate. Its suggested that priest hood was a place for paedo's to go, i.e. they were paedos before accepting celibacy

LenaClaire

Too late. The boy scouts in the US are in trouble for it right now. Some secret files just got released last month...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=10144873

FearDark

It wont be scout leaders in trouble next, It'll be some leading members of the Jehovah's Witnesses, infact there is a trail of it from Wexford to Tipperary.

Nulty

Nulty wrote: »

Thats a very interesting article. Raises a few questions I never thought to ask myself....

Is it a crime to draw a picture of a naked child and fantasize/rub over it?

Is it a crime to photoshop an image to resemble a naked child and fantasize/rub over it?

Should it be a crime if someone rubs themselves over a real photo of a naked child if the child and parents publish the picture?

Where does the crime begin?

lemonjelly

recylingbin wrote: »

Is it only a matter of time before boy scout leaders are accused of paedophilia?
They probably had more opportunity than priests and I don't know how thorough their vetting was for positions in the organisation, but I'd guess not very.

That's a stupid conclusion to jump to. not all priests are pedophiles same as anyone who works with kids are not.

phill106

Having been a scout, most of the leaders (all i think) only became leaders because their own child was in the scouts.
While not saying guys with kids cant be paedos, i think it is less likely.
I hope....

Hagar

What about a Scout Chaplain taking the kids swimming... :eek:

recylingbin

lemonjelly wrote: »

That's a stupid conclusion to jump to. not all priests are pedophiles same as anyone who works with kids are not.

huh?
No-one is saying that all of them are. Or even that any of them are.
There was no conclusion.

and it's paedophile.

xzanti

recylingbin wrote: »

Is it only a matter of time before boy scout leaders are accused of paedophilia?
They probably had more opportunity than priests and I don't know how thorough their vetting was for positions in the organisation, but I'd guess not very.

Talk about planting seeds..

BennyLava

Dudess wrote: »

I'd imagine any man who works with children has felt compelled to tread carefully at some point due to paedo obsessives.

I would have thought the same rule should apply to women

Mike 1972

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah we can't just ban kids.. It's not their fault that they're so cute.

Just askin for it really..........

prinz

phill106 wrote: »

Having been a scout, most of the leaders (all i think) only became leaders because their own child was in the scouts.
While not saying guys with kids cant be paedos, i think it is less likely.
I hope....

You hope in vain. The majority of abuse took place, and still takes place, at the hands of family members.

Dudess

BennyLava wrote: »

I would have thought the same rule should apply to women

There's no "rule" - there's just paranoia due to media hysteria, and unfortunately it's men who bear the brunt of it far, far more than women. A woman engaging in sexual activity with an adolescent boy is even celebrated in some quarters.

recylingbin

Dudess wrote: »

There's no "rule" - there's just paranoia due to media hysteria, and unfortunately it's men who bear the brunt of it far, far more than women. A woman engaging in sexual activity with an adolescent boy is even celebrated in some quarters.

on his facebook page, normally.