Clarification on rule...

'scorthy

Friendly fourball - everyone on the fairway - oppositions' partner strikes his partners ball some three yards away from him with his shot - partners ball gains 20 yards.
Should his partner (a) replace the ball from where they agree it originally lay? (b) both play on with no penalty incurred?

DoctaDee

'scorthy wrote: »

Friendly fourball - everyone on the fairway - oppositions' partner strikes his partners ball some three yards away from him with his shot - partners ball gains 20 yards.
Should his partner (a) replace the ball from where they agree it originally lay? (b) both play on with no penalty incurred?

"Friendly fourball" ... meaaaah who cares :rolleyes:, but rules of golf (a) partner replaces ball where it lay, his partner that hit the ball plays from where it lies

Myksyk

Aide memoir for when balls collide ... 'ball that was moving stays still, ball that was still must be moved'.

mike12

Thought that was only on the green off the green plays it as it now lies?
Mike

DoctaDee

mike12 wrote: »

Thought that was only on the green off the green plays it as it now lies?
Mike

Nope ... if 1 ball is on the green and the guy coming in hits it - no problem, replace ball that was hit ... if both balls on the green, guy putts and hits his playing partners ball, it's a 2 shot penalty to the fella that putted the ball, no penalty to the player whose ball was hit. However in match play there's no penalty.

Daithio9

DoctaDee wrote: »

Nope ... if 1 ball is on the green and the guy coming in hits it - no problem, replace ball that was hit ... if both balls on the green, guy putts and hits his playing partners ball, it's a 2 shot penalty to the fella that putted the ball, no penalty to the player whose ball was hit. However in match play there's no penalty.

If the ball been played is off the green there is no penalty if both balls are on the green the player who hit the ball at rest is penalised 2 shots in stroke play and it's a loss of hole in matchplay.

DoctaDee

Daithio9 wrote: »

If the ball been played is off the green there is no penalty if both balls are on the green the player who hit the ball at rest is penalised 2 shots in stroke play and it's a loss of hole in matchplay.

Damn .. I had to double check this one ... wearing my tweeds and flat cap of the R&A .... It's Rule 19.5(a) daithi ... No penalty in matchplay

Daithio9

DoctaDee wrote: »

Damn .. I had to double check this one ... wearing my tweeds and flat cap of the R&A .... It's Rule 19.5(a) daithi ... No penalty in matchplay

Lol check again and get your glasses this time.

DonkeyPokerTour

The replace the ball rule I always thought was stupid! Say your 150yards away playing to a blind green. Who knows if two balls hit each other from players approach shots? Now obviously if your chipping on and they hit each other you can see it! But even to a green in full view, if your 150yards away how do you know where to replace the ball to?

Su Campu

If none of you can see the green then how will you know they collided in the first place?!

'scorthy

Thanks Guys, rule 19.5 (a) is not clear to me as it only refers to the ball of the player and no reference to the ball struck i.e. partner....
"19-5. By Another Ball
a.At Rest
If a player’s ball in motion after a stroke is deflected or stopped by a
ball in play and at rest, the player must play his ball as it lies. In match
play, there is no penalty. In stroke play, there is no penalty, unless both
balls lay on the putting green prior to the stroke, in which case the
player incurs a penalty of two strokes.

Found this on the www...

Ball Moved Other Than by Player

SITUATION: A player's ball at rest is moved by his opponent, fellow competitor, or somebody else.
SOLUTION: A player's ball that changes position other than by a stroke must be replaced.
MOVED BY OUTSIDE AGENCY: if a player's ball is moved by an outside agency such as a dog, spectator, etc. the player must replace the ball without penalty.
MOVED BY OPPONENT: During Search--if a player's ball is moved by his opponent, opponent's caddie, or opponent's equipment there is NO PENALTY, and the ball must be replaced. Other Than During A Search--the opponent would receive 1-Penalty stroke if he, his caddie or equipment touch or move the player's ball. The player must replace the ball without penalty to himself.
LOOSE IMPEDIMENT: If the ball moves after any loose impediment within one club-length of the ball is moved, the competitor moving the loose impediment would be the one deemed to have moved the ball. If it was the player who was deemed to have moved his own ball he would receive a 1-stroke penalty and must replace his ball.
MOVING AN OBSTRUCTION: if the player's ball is moved when removing a movable obstruction, the ball must be replaced without penalty.
MOVED BY FELLOW COMPETITOR: if a player's ball is moved by a fellow competitor, the fellow competitor's caddie, or the fellow competitor's equipment there is NO PENALTY and the player must replace his ball.
MOVED BY ANOTHER BALL: if a player's ball is moved by another ball in motion caused by a stroke, the ball must be replaced without penalty to the player.
IF A PLAYER REQUIRED TO REPLACE HIS BALL AND DOES NOT WOULD RECEIVE A TWO STROKE PENALTY IN STROKE PLAY AND LOSS OF HOLE IN MATCH PLAY.

DoctaDee

Daithio9 wrote: »

Lol check again and get your glasses this time.

LMAO .. alright Daithi .. I've had to C&P this... what am I missing ?

19-5. By Another Ball
a.At Rest

If a player’s ball in motion after a stroke is deflected or stopped by a

ball in play and at rest, the player must play his ball as it lies. In match
play, there is no penalty. In stroke play, there is no penalty, unless both
balls lay on the putting green prior to the stroke, in which case the
player incurs a penalty of two strokes.

Daithio9

19-5 By another ball
a. At Rest
If a player’s ball in motion after a stroke is deflected or stopped by a ball in play and at rest, the player must play his ball as it lies. In match play, there is no penalty. In stroke play, there is no penalty, unless both balls lay on the putting green prior to the stroke, in which case the player incurs a penalty of two strokes.
b. In Motion
If a player’s ball in motion after a stroke is deflected or stopped by another ball in motion after a stroke, the player must play his ball as it lies. There is no penalty, unless the player was in breach of Rule 16-1f, in which case he incurs the penalty for breach of that Rule.
Exception: If the player’s ball is in motion after a stroke on the putting green and the other ball in motion is an outside agency – see Rule 19-1b.
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE:
Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.

'scorthy

Hi Guys...still a little confused. The scenario was that player 1 made a stoke and his ball collided with his partner, player 2, ON THE FAIRWAY. Player 2 ball propelled forward 35 yards. It appears that the ruling pertains only to player 1 and what penalties (if any) should be incurred. What is expected of player 2?
If player 2 ball propelled 35 yards into the OOB or into a hazard - what then?

Jasonw

'scorthy wrote: »

Hi Guys...still a little confused. The scenario was that player 1 made a stoke and his ball collided with his partner, player 2, ON THE FAIRWAY. Player 2 ball propelled forward 35 yards. It appears that the ruling pertains only to player 1 and what penalties (if any) should be incurred. What is expected of player 2?
If player 2 ball propelled 35 yards into the OOB or into a hazard - what then?

not sure where the confusion lies. this was pretty well answered in the second post.

Player 2 is required to replace his ball. There is no penalty for either player.

If player 2's ball was propelled OOB or into a hazzard then they are still required to replace it. If the ball is not recoverable another ball may be substituted.

A penalty only comes into play if player 2 does NOT replace his ball.

hope that clears it up.

Gophur

I had an incident a few years back, where I saw a dog "steal" a golf ball from a player on a different hole to mine.

I marked where the player's ball was lifted from, then retrieved the ball from the dog's owner.

All three of my partners, and the four other players, were adamant the ball should have been played from where the dog dropped it at the owner's feet.

I asked, "if the dog dropped the ball on the green, are you telling me the player would have an eagle putt?"

I stood my ground, replaced the ball where it first landed/rested and clarified the rule to all, at the end of the round.


99% of the time, a ball must be played where it first comes to rest. (Only times you don't are when it is moved by something other than an "outside agency")

As with all such queries, go to www.randa.org, read and study the rules and decisions.

'scorthy

Thank's everyone for your contribution; You all confirm what I thought was the correct ruling (common sense)...what I didn't appreciate was being threatened by player 2 with a bet of €100 to put my money where my mouth was...so to speak. I'll have great enjoyment this morning in informing said player that as a breach of the rule by 'not replacing his ball ON THE FAIRWAY from where it originally lay (for which neither would have incurred a penalty)' he lost the back 9 by a shot and now owes me €2!

Jasonw

good on ya.

Hate to see people being agressive on the golf course. Reminds me of something that happend me last year. I was out at a junior scratch cup in an afternoon 3 ball. It was a tough course and a very windy day. somewhere around the 11th tee one of my playing partners stated that a very high score would win. I replied that I thought 76 would be enough to win. He turned around and very aggressively stated that no way was there a 76 out there and he bet me 100 euro that he was right.

Fine I said - knowing that a friend of mine had shot 76 that morning. He paid up too. I still only feel a little guilty.

Gophur

I was part of a 4-ball who were very rudely accosted by an oaf on Waterford Castle Golf Course, complaining about us holding up the place. The idiot did not realise we were about three holes ahead of him with at least a full hole clear behind us. His problem was another pair of players.

I complained to the Golf Club, but got no satisfaction. (The Club had ample opportunity to ask the offending player to account for his actions, but didn't.)

I never went back.


Another time, in a Junior/Intermediate Scratch competition, one of my partners (a stranger) got very heated when the rest of the 4-ball refused to play skins.


Aggression has no place on the Golf Course.