Should slavery be legalised?

Saw this over on work & jobs section
http://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=9680_6&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=17&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM



is it now time to go the whole hog and issue food stamps for this work? I would post an advert for a whole list of jobs such as:

house cleaner
shoe shine boy
cook

I`d be a huge local employer

Rented Mule

Absolutely !!

I can't wait until they rise up and quell the herd of gob****es in this country.

PeterIanStaker

I'm Spartacus!:D

RMD

Don't understand that ad at all. People are supposed to go around maintaining bathrooms for nothing?

But ye, no to slavery completely. Not only would I feel wrong doing it, but I'd also feel like some seriously lazy **** if I had someone doing everything for me.

mikom

Washroom Technician- WPP2

Description:
Area of activity: The role would involve the servicing of our washroom customers in the Connaught area - Galway county and city mostly. Elements of experience offered: 1. The servicing of sanitary bins, air freshener units, sanitizers, toilet seat sanitizers, vending machines and additional washroom products. 2. Site set ups which include the installation of sanitary bins, air freshener units, sanitizers, toilet seat sanitizers, vending machines, toilet roll holders, hand towel holders and additional washroom products. 3. Small deliveries to customers when required. Person specification: Full clean driving licence. Excellent communication skills. Fluent English. Excellent interpersonal skills.

Sounds like flutterin bantams wet dream.

RMD

RMD wrote: »

Don't understand that ad at all. People are supposed to go around maintaining bathrooms for nothing?

well yes, its the new govt graduate internship program. Im not joking its the WPP1 & WPP2 scheme. Unpaid 9 month internships doing things like cleaning toilets, driving lorries, selling shoes or operating checkouts - must be the new knowledge economy.

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If they can get slaves I want slaves! :mad:

L.Jenkins

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

I'm Spartacus!:D

This is Sparta!!!!

OutlawPete

Slavery already exists, it's called 'working for minimum wage'.

MikeC101

RMD wrote: »

Don't understand that ad at all. People are supposed to go around maintaining bathrooms for nothing?

I'd say it's for people on social welfare - they'll still get their JA/JB payment every week, but can also gain experience while doing so...though, eh, to be honest that ad just looks like a business wants a free cleaner.

kraggy

OutlawPete wrote: »

Slavery already exists, it's called 'working for minimum wage'.

If you work a full week on minimum wage in this country, you're well off in that you have enough food and a roof over your head.

We have it too good in this country.

OutlawPete

kraggy wrote: »

enough food and a roof over your head.

We have it too good in this country.

Jeanious

kraggy wrote: »

If you work a full week on minimum wage in this country, you're well off in that you have enough food and a roof over your head.

We have it too good in this country.

Hows is just about having enough food and a roof over your head being "too good"? I'd add healthcare onto that list as well by the way, which is why i can't get over the hoo-haa in America over Obama's health reforms, but i digress.

kraggy

kraggy wrote: »

If you work a full week on minimum wage in this country, you're well off in that you have enough food and a roof over your head.

We have it too good in this country.

we have it waaaay too good



Free Floor staff and checkout operators for supervalue






"This is a work placement programme and does not offer a salary."

My name is URL

I bet businesses are rubbing their hands together at the prospect of getting paid to have free labor

I don't get this idea at all.. I mean sure it's great to get experience but what's stopping companies from abusing this initiative and opting for free laborers at the expense of actually employing people and getting them off the live register.?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Deleted User wrote: »

Saw this over on work & jobs section
http://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=9680_6&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=17&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM



is it now time to go the whole hog and issue food stamps for this work? I would post an advert for a whole list of jobs such as:

house cleaner
shoe shine boy
cook

I`d be a huge local employer

That sort of shít really pisses me off. This is work placement program. Which is supposed to help you find work, now how in the fcuk is cleaning a fanny pad bin going to secure you work of any kind in the future? That's just taking the piss, and Fas being the idiots they are just simply allow this.

People think this is a great scheme, but what it is really just a scam, where companies get people on this program to do crappy work. There is no training in this, it's a joke. This is the type of job that if they paid people, they would still have a difficult time getting somebody in, I am speculating here obviously.

Fcuking fas... what a joke.

Xluna

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii6/newhampshirefree/MrSlave.gif

kraggy

OutlawPete wrote: »

coyle wrote: »

Hows is just about having enough food and a roof over your head being "too good"? I'd add healthcare onto that list as well by the way, which is why i can't get over the hoo-haa in America over Obama's health reforms, but i digress.

Deleted User wrote: »

we have it waaaay too good



Free Floor staff and checkout operators for supervalue






"This is a work placement programme and does not offer a salary."

Try having been born in somewhere like Cambodia where a motorcycle taxi man nearly had tears in his eyes with delight when i gave him $5 for a ride to an embassy cause he was relieved that even if he didn't get another job that day, which was quite a possibility, he would still have enough to feed his wife and baby.

We have it too good because no matter what amount of debt we are in, there is alway social welfare to use to feed ourselves.

In many other countries, there is no welfare system at all.

segaBOY

Tinsley Flabby Utopia wrote: »

People think this is a great scheme, but what it is really just a scam, where companies get people on this program to do crappy work. There is no training in this, it's a joke. This is the type of job that if they paid people, they would still have a difficult time getting somebody in, I am speculating here obviously.

Fcuking fas... what a joke.

I see you're looking for work, what level of employment would have to be offered to you before you'd take it your highness?

Where I work, there are two people in on this scheme now.. Really good experience though so def worth it.

Amhran Nua

kraggy wrote: »

Try having been born in somewhere like Cambodia where a motorcycle taxi man nearly had tears in his eyes with delight when i gave him $5 for a ride to an embassy cause he was relieved that even if he didn't get another job that day, which was quite a possibility, he would still have enough to feed his wife and baby.

Would you like Ireland to become like that?

People can report the spurious (and they are ridiculous) adverts to FAS, who are usually pretty good about taking them down. WPP is meant to give experience in jobs where you might have a qualification but employers are looking for experience, not as an excuse for the ghoulish middle managers and franchisees who appear to infest the small business environment in Ireland to top up their profits at the taxpayers expense.

kraggy

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Would you like Ireland to become like that?

Of course not. But the amount of social welfare being paid in this country is ridiculous.

Also, there is a sense of entitlement towards welfare in Ireland that is unhealthy.

Amhran Nua

kraggy wrote: »

Of course not. But the amount of social welfare being paid in this country is ridiculous.

I'd more or less agree with you there, mind you we can't compare directly with the likes of the UK - the cost of living is a lot lower there. Things like rent allowance however put an artificial floor on rents in a lot of places that otherwise might be cheaper to live in.

kraggy wrote: »

Also, there is a sense of entitlement towards welfare in Ireland that is unhealthy.

Many of the people on welfare have already paid taxes for years though, they really are entitled. During the boom/bubble years there was a churn of around 150,000 unemployed, which is normal and healthy, of which maybe 50,000 were long term unemployed, which includes those on disability etc. All in probably around 1%-2% of the workforce could be described as being "abusing" the system.

segaBOY

The only good thing I can see about this is if someone wanted to get on the jobs ladder (cleaning pays €10 per hour usually) but they keep getting rejected because of no experience. It would be good for that.

Apart from that I think it's a business trying to skank a free cleaner

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

segaBOY wrote: »

I see you're looking for work, what level of employment would have to be offered to you before you'd take it your highness?

You noted that I was looking for a job, not to be used as a slave. I have no interest in being a cleaner, I also do not have the skillset to become a cleaner (obviously anybody can do it, but I am not obliged to take any job that is advertised. I have had work in certain areas since I left college. Window cleaner, chimney sweeper and data entry. The pay does not matter, once it is fulltime (perm or temp). Anyway, what does it matter what I would and wouldn't work at?

For future reference, I rather be called Your Majesty. Thank you :P

segaBOY wrote: »

The only good thing I can see about this is if someone wanted to get on the jobs ladder (cleaning pays €10 per hour usually) but they keep getting rejected because of no experience. It would be good for that.

Apart from that I think it's a business trying to skank a free cleaner

This isn't going to help you get on the jobs latter, unless you want your career in cleaning...

It's obviously a scam...

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

kraggy wrote: »

Of course not. But the amount of social welfare being paid in this country is ridiculous.

Also, there is a sense of entitlement towards welfare in Ireland that is unhealthy.

There is a sense of entitlement because social welfare is something we are all entitled to... It's pretty logical actually.

kraggy

Tinsley Flabby Utopia wrote: »

There is a sense of entitlement because social welfare is something we are all entitled to... It's pretty logical actually.

Well done. You're missing the point.

I'm talking about:

a. the thousands of scum bags who have, for years, sat on their arses and claimed everything under the sun even though they had no stamps worked up and were not doing the one thing that was required of them i.e. look for a job.

b. the feeling of entitlement that some people have that they should be getting the 200 euro a week, AND MORE!

It's more than enough to live on for most. Dole should cover food and basic necessities. Not nights out.

segaBOY

Tinsley Flabby Utopia wrote: »

You noted that I was looking for a job, not to be used as a slave. I have no interest in being a cleaner, I also do not have the skillset to become a cleaner

There is nothing wrong with being a cleaner, I don't understand this mentality among Irish people. Your sig states "Looking for work, in anything... Dublin area." Yet cleaning isn't good enough to be anything?

I'll be frank. I'm a graduate and very lucky to have secured a 6 month internship that pays below minimum wage-I'm happy with it, it provides experience and a few bob to keep me going. If, when that internship ends, I can't find work in my area I'll do anything that's legal. I'll work in a shop, drive a van, get a truck license, pick vegetables, work at security and even do a cleaners job. :eek: :rolleyes: And if that isn't enough, I'll either enter a full time postgraduate course or emigrate. This way of thinking should be common place among the unemployed youth if they really want to get ahead in the future.

It's time to lower your standards in this economic environment Your Majesty, lounging around boards complaining about the system all day isn't going to get you anywhere.

My name is URL

kraggy wrote: »

Well done. You're missing the point.

I'm talking about:

a. the thousands of scum bags who have, for years, sat on their arses and claimed everything under the sun even though they had no stamps worked up and were not doing the one thing that was required of them i.e. look for a job.

b. the feeling of entitlement that some people have that they should be getting the 200 euro a week, AND MORE!

It's more than enough to live on for most. Dole should cover food and basic necessities. Not nights out.

The Dole is an income substitute, people can do what they want with it. I agree with you about the people that have never had any desire to work though

Is there no checks done on people to make sure they're seeking work? I imagined that there was.. like having them bring in letters of declination etc

Amhran Nua

kraggy wrote: »

a. the thousands of scum bags who have, for years, sat on their arses and claimed everything under the sun even though they had no stamps worked up and were not doing the one thing that was required of them i.e. look for a job.

Again, thats maybe one percent of the workforce (not even the population), a tiny minority.

kraggy wrote: »

b. the feeling of entitlement that some people have that they should be getting the 200 euro a week, AND MORE!

Thats what they thought they were paying taxes towards though.

kraggy

My name is URL wrote: »

The Dole is an income substitute, people can do what they want with it. I agree with you about the people that have never had any desire to work though

Is there no checks done on people to make sure they're seeking work? I imagined that there was.. like having them bring in letters of declination etc

Yeah there are, but all it takes is a letter done up from someone you know who has a business to say that Johnny came in looking for work but we've nothing for him.

JONJO THE MISER

kraggy wrote: »

If you work a full week on minimum wage in this country, you're well off in that you have enough food and a roof over your head.

We have it too good in this country.

:eek:Too good you say, flaming Nora i can only afford to drink 4 nights at the moment and 2 of them are at home and ive downgraded from eating choc Kimberly to Fig Rools and you say i have it too good, i beg to differ:(.

Tinsley Flabby Utopia

Tinsley Flabby Utopia wrote: »

That sort of shít really pisses me off. This is work placement program. Which is supposed to help you find work, now how in the fcuk is cleaning a fanny pad bin going to secure you work of any kind in the future? That's just taking the piss, and Fas being the idiots they are just simply allow this.

People think this is a great scheme, but what it is really just a scam, where companies get people on this program to do crappy work. There is no training in this, it's a joke. This is the type of job that if they paid people, they would still have a difficult time getting somebody in, I am speculating here obviously.

Fcuking fas... what a joke.

yeah!! and if I were to put up adverts for people to clean my house, cook my food and shine my shoes I`d be the bad guy. Those people would be gaining valuable work experience

mikom

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Fig Rools

The lidl version?

segaBOY

segaBOY wrote: »

I see you're looking for work, what level of employment would have to be offered to you before you'd take it your highness?

pay would be a good start

MikeC101

My name is URL wrote: »

The Dole is an income substitute, people can do what they want with it. I agree with you about the people that have never had any desire to work though

Is there no checks done on people to make sure they're seeking work? I imagined that there was.. like having them bring in letters of declination etc

There was a situation where Dept. of Welfare wanted a form stamped / signed by businesses that said you had sought work there, but businesses eventually started refusing to do that, due to the amount of people wasting their time with it. I'm glad that's gone though, I'm not sure it would look very well if I went to an interview and then had to ask the interviewer to take more time to fill out a form at the end of it. In fact, thinking about it, I'd be inclined to avoid doing it anywhere I thought I'd have a chance of an interview / job, in case it gave a bad impression.

Now, they occasionally call people in for an interview and ask for proof of job seeking - copies of emails sent, reponses from places, and so on. I don't think it's being done with any kind of regularity at the moment though.

Amhran Nua

Deleted User wrote: »

if I were to put up adverts for people to clean my house, cook my food and shine my shoes I`d be the bad guy.

You would be if you expected the taxpayer to foot the bill for it.

JONJO THE MISER

mikom wrote: »

The lidl version?

Im afraid so:(.

segaBOY

Deleted User wrote: »

pay would be a good start

I was referring to his quote:

Tinsley Flabby Utopia wrote: »

People think this is a great scheme, but what it is really just a scam, where companies get people on this program to do crappy work. There is no training in this, it's a joke. This is the type of job that if they paid people, they would still have a difficult time getting somebody in, I am speculating here obviously.

Fcuking fas... what a joke.

There is nothing wrong with a paid cleaning job.

I agree that this is unpaid placement is a joke, the employer is obviously looking to skank a cleaner for free which is absolute b***ocks in my view.

The only positive thing I can see in it is that you still get dole and you are gaining some experience (it can be next to impossible to find any job without experience, even Supermacs won't even look at you if you have never worked in the fast food/catering industry)

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

segaBOY wrote: »

I was referring to his quote:



There is nothing wrong with a paid cleaning job.

I agree that this is unpaid placement is a joke, the employer is obviously looking to skank a cleaner for free which is absolute b***ocks in my view.

The only positive thing I can see in it is that you still get dole and you are gaining some experience (it can be next to impossible to find any job without experience, even Supermacs won't even look at you if you have never worked in the fast food/catering industry)

I never said there was anything wrong with any type of job. Where did I say that? Or imply that? It wasn't supposed to come accross as that.

This type of job wouldn't benifit anybody much. It's unskilled work, it's basic cleaning. You replace a bin and mop up a bit. Surely if you have any sort of hygene these are things you already do at home?

This WPP scheme is not being used by all potential employers as it was intended. Unless these jobs spend money and honestly train the cleaners, put them on courses and the likes (H+S, manual handling etc etc), then this WPP is a complete joke. Cleaning toilets for free to gain experience so you can clean toilets in another place for next to min wage. I just cannot see these types of jobs genuinely helping people out.

The problem with this job is that it's unpaid. Why the fcuk would I do an unpaid cleaning job? Give me 10 quid an for 40 hours a week and i'd do it.

Deleted User wrote: »

yeah!! and if I were to put up adverts for people to clean my house, cook my food and shine my shoes I`d be the bad guy. Those people would be gaining valuable work experience

Clean your house and cook your food is one thing, but shining your shoes is a bit too far Nah, if you put up an advert for these types of jobs it wouldn't be a problem if were willing to pay them or at the very least give them a lot of training. Proper training.

kraggy wrote: »

Well done. You're missing the point.

What were you expecting when you put so little information in your sentence? If you were looking to get a point accross you should at least tell your readers what exactly it is you are talking about and be less ambiguous.

I'm talking about:

a. the thousands of scum bags who have, for years, sat on their arses and claimed everything under the sun even though they had no stamps worked up and were not doing the one thing that was required of them i.e. look for a job.

You will find that they are in the very very small minority now a days.

b. the feeling of entitlement that some people have that they should be getting the 200 euro a week, AND MORE!

It is an entitlement. Stop implying it's not.

It's more than enough to live on for most. Dole should cover food and basic necessities. Not nights out.

Have you ever tried living on 196 a week as a grown adult? Honest answer now

segaBOY wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with being a cleaner, I don't understand this mentality among Irish people. Your sig states "Looking for work, in anything... Dublin area." Yet cleaning isn't good enough to be anything?

I take it you know what a metaphor is? There are certain things I won't do and I am well within my rights to decline such positions. Like I said, pay is important. I meant that this job, from the job description, is not the type of job that people are going to be lining up for, now is it?

I'll be frank. I'm a graduate and very lucky to have secured a 6 month internship that pays below minimum wage-I'm happy with it, it provides experience and a few bob to keep me going.

That's great and fair play to ya. I am looking for an internship for a spot for 9 months, no pay what so ever. The dilemma I face is how the hell do I afford to get to work if I don't have the money. I am not sure if I should ask the employer or not. I know the cleaner job will give some experience, but it's a load of rubbish. In my opinion that type of job doesn't suit the scheme.

If, when that internship ends, I can't find work in my area I'll do anything that's legal. I'll work in a shop, drive a van, get a truck license, pick vegetables, work at security and even do a cleaners job. :eek: :rolleyes: And if that isn't enough, I'll either enter a full time postgraduate course or emigrate.

I already stated what I done to earn money. Ever cleaned chimneys before? With basic outdated tools? It's not a nice job. Nor is window cleaning, or data entry for that matter.

You are also in a position to enter a fulltime postgraduate course or emigrate, most are not. Count yourself lucky.

This way of thinking should be common place among the unemployed youth if they really want to get ahead in the future.

It's time to lower your standards in this economic environment Your Majesty, lounging around boards complaining about the system all day isn't going to get you anywhere.

A bit of an over statement to say the least Bill Cullen... I, like many other people, have already lowered our standards, quite a lot. Complaining about the system all day? My initial post was a complaint, that took no more than 3 minutes to post. The rest of my posts I addressed some people and their comments.

Lets not go down the road of talking about social welfare, what we should be getting, what we should be buying, what we should be doing etc etc. It's old and fcuking boring... you can travel that road alone if you wish though