Drugs Rehab Centre Objection

fishder

Hi I would like to know if anyone has had any experience off this We have just learned that there is to be a drugs treatment centre set up on our street. We live in Dublin city centre this was kept very quiet with th powers that be. I was wondering what sort off steps can we take as a community to try and get this stopped any info would be greatly appreciated as they plan to open this centre in a couple off weeks.

DrumSteve

you have no choice... prepare for the junkie influx!

Coriolanus

Gather names of objectors, lobby your local TDs and councillors. If you're friendly with any litigators, try and find a way of delaying planning etc.

fishder

Drum Steve if you have nothing positive to say shut up mabey you dont know that you know nothing.

Nedermeyer

OP, with out wanting to cause offence are you aware of the term NIMBY ?

Anyway, it's fair enough that you don't want a rehab center on your street because obviously the dregs of society will be shooting up and putting heroin into 4 year olds' pockets outside your gaff . .. .

....But where do you suggest it gets put ?

There is a huge drug problem in the city center that has to be dealt with.

Should the center be moved to somewhere ike an industrial estate, miles away from where its' needed ?

Rehab centres are badly needed as i'm sure you'll agree, but not in your back yard right ?

DrumSteve

fishder wrote: »

Drum Steve if you have nothing positive to say shut up mabey you dont know that you know nothing.

Lol the fact is i lived down the road from a rehab centre for a long time so i know exactly what im talking about.

old hippy

Nedermeyer wrote: »

OP, with out wanting to cause offence are you aware of the term NIMBY ?

Anyway, it's fair enough that you don't want a rehab center on your street because obviously the dregs of society will be shooting up and putting heroin into 4 year olds' pockets outside your gaff . .. .

....But where do you suggest it gets put ?

There is a huge drug problem in the city center that has to be dealt with.

Should the center be moved to somewhere ike an industrial estate, miles away from where its' needed ?

Rehab centres are badly needed as i'm sure you'll agree, but not in your back yard right ?

Well said. I see attitudes haven't changed much in all the time I've been away. Sadly

Elevator

you want to approach the same councillors who are insisting they are dealing with the head shop issue and come july there will be no more access to mephadrone or fake cannibanoids

why dont we just ban heroin all over again seeing as it is obviously making such a difference

AlekSmart

There is a huge drug problem in the city center that has to be dealt with.

Rehab centres are badly needed as i'm sure you'll agree, but not in your back yard right ?

I`m not so sure that this "Rehab" culture is actually working in any real sense at all.

It does appear to figure in a great many criminal trials as a point to be referred to by a defending counsel when entering a plea of mitigation,more often than not,on behalf of a defendant with a filing-cabinet full of previous convictions.

Occassionally we are reminded of some people who do manage to clean up their act after a period of "Rehab",but even here one can sometimes see that it was something totally unconnected with "Rehab" per se that facilitated this change.

However Rehab as a concept is right up there along with many other socially worthwhile ideas and therefore is not open to challenge methinks.

I`d be inclined to side with DrumSteve on this one....:rolleyes:

Laminations

AlekSmart wrote: »

I`m not so sure that this "Rehab" culture is actually working in any real sense at all.

It does appear to figure in a great many criminal trials as a point to be referred to by a defending counsel when entering a plea of mitigation,more often than not,on behalf of a defendant with a filing-cabinet full of previous convictions.

Occassionally we are reminded of some people who do manage to clean up their act after a period of "Rehab",but even here one can sometimes see that it was something totally unconnected with "Rehab" per se that facilitated this change.

However Rehab as a concept is right up there along with many other socially worthwhile ideas and therefore is not open to challenge methinks.

I`d be inclined to side with DrumSteve on this one....:rolleyes:

Its a different debate but I agree that rehab is a terrible way of dealing with the drug problem. Maintaning peoples drug habits while allowing them still integrate with society can only lead to friction and trouble.

FlutterinBantam

DrumSteve wrote: »

Lol the fact is i lived down the road from a rehab centre for a long time so i know exactly what im talking about.

Don't let the pinkos and liberals knock you down DRUMMER.

you are just as entitled to your say as they are.

From where I see it, you speak perfect sense, and no lefty liberalism will change that view.

Speak out.

DrumSteve

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Don't let the pinkos and liberals knock you down DRUMMER.

you are just as entitled to your say as they are.

From where I see it, you speak perfect sense, and no lefty liberalism will change that view.

Speak out.

hey dont slag the drums... im not sure if thats sarcasm but i'ma go with it:D

PeakOutput

op you should be ashamed of yourself

McNulty32

Geographically most drug addicts inhabit or are active in their drug use within Dublin city centre, so therefore it makes sense for there to be a rehabilation centre in the centre of Dublin.

Whats your objection here, you dont want to see pathetic helpless drug addicts ruin the view from your fancy central residence?, is this more important then the rehabilitation of drug addicts?

fishder

Got one sensible reply the rest a load off old bull**** where I live we will never let it happen there are some fool on this fourm would never ask on here for helpful info again. Thanks

McNulty32

fishder wrote: »

Got one sensible reply the rest a load off old bull**** where I live we will never let it happen there are some fool on this fourm would never ask on here for helpful info again. Thanks

But why do you object, or why do your neighbours allegedly object to this much needed life saving sevice being on your road?

PeakOutput

fishder wrote: »

Got one sensible reply the rest a load off old bull**** where I live we will never let it happen there are some fool on this fourm would never ask on here for helpful info again. Thanks

thats the biggest load of bull**** in this thread anyway

i hope its forced down your selfish throat

DrumSteve

fishder wrote: »

Got one sensible reply the rest a load off old bull**** where I live we will never let it happen there are some fool on this fourm would never ask on here for helpful info again. Thanks

so you mean only one person told you what you wanted to hear? this is a discussion forum so things are discussed here. if everyone thought the same it'd get boring very quickly,eh?

AlekSmart

op you should be ashamed of yourself

The OP made a quite ordinary post seeking some general info in a topic of some concern to them.

It`s somewhat sad that this reasonable request made in entirely reasonable tones provokes quite a bit of high moral gounding responses

i hope its forced down your selfish throat

Being self-concerned or even self-centred may well equate,to some,to being selfish but all of these things are relative and are only a local politician`s whim away from any of us.

Whats your objection here, you dont want to see pathetic helpless drug addicts ruin the view from your fancy central residence?, is this more important then the rehabilitation of drug addicts?

Whatever Fishder`s objection is,he/she merely sought boards direction on advice as to how to progress that objection....I saw no mention as to the fanciness or otherwise of his/her residence and see no reason to introduce it as anything other than a stereotyping attempt...ie; Top Hat wearing bourgeois property owner attempting to do-down poor downtrodden substance abusers abandoned by society....and yes in some circumstances the maintenance of a standard of living would take precedence over a purported "Rehabilitation" facility.

gimme5minutes

PeakOutput wrote: »

thats the biggest load of bull**** in this thread anyway

i hope its forced down your selfish throat

He doesn't want a bunch of dangerous junkies and scumbags in his neighbourhood where his (and his neighbours) wife and kids persumably live. If you have no problem with people like that maybe you should ring up the council and advise to open a centre in your area where these scumbag junkies will be welcomed with open arms.

PeakOutput

gimme5minutes wrote: »

He doesn't want a bunch of dangerous junkies and scumbags in his neighbourhood where his (and his neighbours) wife and kids persumably live. If you have no problem with people like that maybe you should ring up the council and advise to open a centre in your area where these scumbag junkies will be welcomed with open arms.

there is one already and its fine

druggies do not equal dangerous or scumbags either by the way and its that sort of ignorance that needs to go before the drug problem will ever be fixed

AlekSmart

All druggies do not equal dangerous or scumbags either by the way(But a significant proportion DO) and its that sort of ignorance that needs to go before the drug problem will ever be fixed

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I`m not so certain "fixed" it ever will be,but it does need to be contained and kept a safe distance from those members of society who are NOT abusing substances,money or other people. :rolleyes:

PeakOutput

AlekSmart wrote: »

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I`m not so certain "fixed" it ever will be,but it does need to be contained and kept a safe distance from those members of society who are NOT abusing substances,money or other people. :rolleyes:

grand believe whatever makes you happy

AlekSmart

Grand believe whatever makes you happy

Yep,thats about as good as we can expect in life really.

I`m just about as happy as I can be without recourse to chemical assistance so yes I`ll settle for that

thebaldsoprano

fishder wrote: »

I was wondering what sort off steps can we take as a community to try and get this stopped any info would be greatly appreciated as they plan to open this centre in a couple off weeks.

If anyone in your community is an architect, you'll probably find they can help out enormously. We had a similar issue where I live (city centre as well) about a taxi rank. The only notice given was a half torn up planning notice stuck on a lamp post a couple of weeks before it was due to open. A neighbour who happens to be an architect did up information packs for everyone on the possible impacts and grounds for objection, how to fill in an objection form etc. At least one objection was successful and the taxi rank never opened.

Even if the treatment centre does open, it's not necessarily the end of the world though. A mate of mine was living literally across the road from one for a couple of years and never had any problems - the people using this particular centre tended not to s**t on their own doorstep.

anymore

AlekSmart wrote: »

I`m not so sure that this "Rehab" culture is actually working in any real sense at all.

It does appear to figure in a great many criminal trials as a point to be referred to by a defending counsel when entering a plea of mitigation,more often than not,on behalf of a defendant with a filing-cabinet full of previous convictions.

Occassionally we are reminded of some people who do manage to clean up their act after a period of "Rehab",but even here one can sometimes see that it was something totally unconnected with "Rehab" per se that facilitated this change.

However Rehab as a concept is right up there along with many other socially worthwhile ideas and therefore is not open to challenge methinks.

I`d be inclined to side with DrumSteve on this one....:rolleyes:

This smacks of the kind of comment that many people make until some tragedy or misfortuntune comes knocking on their door and then it is on to every radio phone show, knocking on every politician's door so they can to drum up sympathy and suppoort and help and attention for their problem.
Do you know why you don't hear of many people who have successfully been rehabilitated ? That is because they are living their lives quietly, raising families. Many will be working with a variety of self - help groups, some working, voluntarily in many ways to help others.
Did you know that twelve steps groups such as AA, Na and GA do more to alevilitate poverty in this country than politicians ? And they dont boast about it, unlike the latter.
And do you know why many judges will suspend sentences if the defendant goes to Rehab ? Because quite often it works, far more often than sending them to prison.
I remember seeing a photo of a group of protesters protesting against some type of rehab facility , a few years ago. I knew one of the placard carrying protesters. he had served a few years prison for violent assault. Funny to see him protesting !

SeanW

PeakOutput wrote: »

grand believe whatever makes you happy

I wonder if, for all your protestations about the OP, would YOU like to have one of these rehab centres as a nextdoor neighbor where YOU live.

PeakOutput

PeakOutput wrote: »

there is one already and its fine

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SeanW wrote: »

I wonder if, for all your protestations about the OP, would YOU like to have one of these rehab centres as a nextdoor neighbor where YOU live.

He has already said in this thread that there already is one. About 3 people have said in this thread that they have rehab centres in their areas without any problems.

fishder

Thanks for all the realistic replys and to thoose people who like to have theese rebab centers beside them they dont live in the city centre.Alot off my neighbours who are protesting with me against this centre has had children died on drugs.You have only to look at the centre in Pearse st or the one in christ church to see what it bring to your door.The evening hearld had an article on this proposed centre in yesterdays paper. We are getting alot off support from the buisness people in the aerea and we will fight this to the end.This property is owned by Liam Caroll and there is alot off skullduggery going on with the planning and the justice dept but like alot off things in this little croupt little island off ours no body will answer any question put to them.Alot off buck passing going on hopefully we may be able to get a few answers in the comming weeks. Just got a leaflet in my door this morning from some local politican saying he is behind us. He must have read the hearld yesterday.