Members of the CPSU- you need to get rid of Blair Horan

BeardyFunzo

I watched this guy get torn apart by Brian Dobson on the news this evening... he's an embarrassment to you.

No eye contact with the camera or Dobo. His hair looks weird, he came across as scruffy.
He obviously had a plan on what he was going to say but didn't anticipate any questions- kinda the point of an interview.
And Dobo was entirely fair but tough, just like he's been with others that he's interviewed, IMO.

If he's the best media face you have you're in for rough ride over the next couple of days.

Get someone out there with a hint of media savvy.

changes

BeardyFunzo wrote: »

His hair looks weird.

How dare he have weird hair

WalterMitty

Theres so many of these union guys and all on big money (100k +) and all of them are keen to justify their existence to their members making them all potentially loose canons. How getting paid 100k+ is socialist and showing solidarity with the "ordinary working man" i'll never know.

changes

Out of interest what would happen if everyone in the PS left their union?

What would happen to their pay and conditions?

It would be like turkeys voting for christmas.

BeardyFunzo

hey changes! go hijack your own thread

changes

BeardyFunzo wrote: »

hey changes! go hijack your own thread

Am i not on topic, you are talking about unions and blair horan.

I'm prob on the wrong side.... i'll make way for another PS bashing session.... enjoy!!

PatsyStone

Well you'd be about 300 quid richer if you didn't join the union. Apparantly it was advised temps join it even though we had about a month left in our contracts when the strikes started! I think I'd rather set fire to the money if that was my only other choice.
And yes, I definitely agree that the CPSU should get rid of Blair Horan.

Nehaxak

There's nothing stopping employee's either collectively or individually negotiating their own working conditions, rates of pay, or otherwise etc., etc.,

There's also options there for the individual to deal with unfair dismissals, problems at work, disciplinary actions and so forth and there's nothing stopping you bringing a lawyer in for any of that just to force your point if required.

However not everyone is capable of doing all that, or has the confidence to do all that themselves (or the where-with-all about them) so that's where the unions might come in helpful to some. For a lot of others though there's no real point in being in a union but in certain places/jobs it's almost critical that you are in the union or else you can be left out or in some cases even marginalised in the workplace.

Personally, after working both with, for and against unions in the past, I find them utterly useless, totally communist and their top officials completely inept and massively overpaid.

...but, if unions weren't needed, they wouldn't be there, so it says more for the lack of proper enforcement and more stringent laws for the protection of employees in Ireland that unions have to still exist at all.

As to the OP, yeah, he seems incapable of arguing his points at all outside of what seems like pre-constructed responses but that's nothing unusual.

Riskymove

Nehaxak wrote: »

There's nothing stopping employee's either collectively or individually negotiating their own working conditions, rates of pay, or otherwise etc., etc.,

of course, but there's also nothing stopping the employer ignoring the individual

its clearly an advantage, given the size and structure of the public service to be organised when it comes to such issues.

while a good consultant surgeon might fare well, its unlikely a single clerical worker has much leverage

rightwingdub

WalterMitty wrote: »

Theres so many of these union guys and all on big money (100k +) and all of them are keen to justify their existence to their members making them all potentially loose canons. How getting paid 100k+ is socialist and showing solidarity with the "ordinary working man" i'll never know.

The guys a former commie who was involved with the Workers Party in the 1980's, he probably believes in socialism for the masses and capitalism for himself.:D

DidierMc

This forum is full of loonies. Bet you all read the Sindo and believe Brendan O'Connor is a serious journalist.

gandalf

rightwingdub wrote: »

believes in socialism for the masses and capitalism for himself.:D

I think you could say the same for every Union leader.

rightwingdub

deadtiger wrote: »

I think you could say the same for every Union leader.

Especially Peter McLoone:D

Nody

rightwingdub wrote: »

The guys a former commie who was involved with the Workers Party in the 1980's, he probably believes in socialism for the masses and capitalism for himself.:D

Nah, everyone are equal, some are just more equal then others.

nesf

DidierMc wrote: »

This forum is full of loonies. Bet you all read the Sindo and believe Brendan O'Connor is a serious journalist.

Banned for 2 weeks for trolling across multiple threads.

rightwingdub

Nody wrote: »

Nah, everyone are equal, some are just more equal then others.

Like his hero Fidel Castro:D

maupat

I totally agree that the CPSU need to banish Blair. So far he has achieved nothing of note to benefit his members. There were two full day strikes which achieved absolutely nothing. Union members were docked two days pay but, needless to say, good old Blair didn't sacrifice any of his 100k plus salary on either day. I also agree that he does not come across very well in interviews - appears uncomfortably and does not fight his corner (sorry his members corner) very well. His current work-to-rule notion has turned the passport office debacle into a complete fiasco at this stage

rightwingdub

maupat wrote: »

I totally agree that the CPSU need to banish Blair. So far he has achieved nothing of note to benefit his members. There were two full day strikes which achieved absolutely nothing. Union members were docked two days pay but, needless to say, good old Blair didn't sacrifice any of his 100k plus salary on either day. I also agree that he does not come across very well in interviews - appears uncomfortably and does not fight his corner (sorry his members corner) very well. His current work-to-rule notion has turned the passport office debacle into a complete fiasco at this stage

Horan is quite militant and needs to tell his members what they need to hear NOT what they want to hear, that pay cuts are necessary in order to stave off the threat of the ECB or the IMF, now thats what I'd call responsible leadership, anyone got any links regarding Horan's inteview on RTE yesterday.

The_Honeybadger

rightwingdub wrote: »

Horan is quite militant and needs to tell his members what they need to hear NOT what they want to hear, that pay cuts are necessary in order to stave off the threat of the ECB or the IMF, now thats what I'd call responsible leadership, anyone got any links regarding Horan's inteview on RTE yesterday.

Just go on to RTE player and skip to his interview, simples

btard

maupat wrote: »

I totally agree that the CPSU need to banish Blair. So far he has achieved nothing of note to benefit his members. There were two full day strikes which achieved absolutely nothing. Union members were docked two days pay but, needless to say, good old Blair didn't sacrifice any of his 100k plus salary on either day. I also agree that he does not come across very well in interviews - appears uncomfortably and does not fight his corner (sorry his members corner) very well. His current work-to-rule notion has turned the passport office debacle into a complete fiasco at this stage

Paid union officials do not get paid when their members are on strike. Mr Horgan is not my union leader but I would have no problems having him as such. The CPSU is the only public service union that is working this industrial dispute with any effectiveness. I think he comes across better than some but not as good as others in interviews. However, this would not be a major negative for me. The work to rule notion is not his idea. It's a well established industrial action tactic. Far from "turning the passport office debacle in to a complete fiasco", it seems to be working quiet well. It's causing maximum disruption with minimum cost. Front page news and top story on RTE news last night. Even pictures of a member of the great irish public screaming abuse at a porter. That type of publicity is priceless and could never be bought. Some would say those scenes are bad for the cause, but others feel it's absolutely neccasary to put pressure on the government in the present negotiations.

So, whether or not I like his hairstyle or orator skills, I do believe the CPSU under his leadership is the only public service union making any real impact. If the public service get a fair negotiated settlement out of this it will be mainly down to Mr Blair and the heros under siege in Molesworth St.

danman

So you believe any publicity is good publicity?

He will not gain the support of the public, which is what is required to win this dispute with his tactics.

If fact, he and his ilk are galvanising the public against the unions and for the government stance.

Is this what he's supposed to do?
Do you really think he's doing such a good job?
Is he being effective?

Only effective in gaining more and more support for the government tactics.

Kensington

btard wrote: »

The CPSU is the only public service union that is working this industrial dispute with any effectiveness. I think he comes across better than some but not as good as others in interviews. However, this would not be a major negative for me. The work to rule notion is not his idea. It's a well established industrial action tactic. Far from "turning the passport office debacle in to a complete fiasco", it seems to be working quiet well. It's causing maximum disruption with minimum cost. Front page news and top story on RTE news last night. Even pictures of a member of the great irish public screaming abuse at a porter. That type of publicity is priceless and could never be bought. Some would say those scenes are bad for the cause, but others feel it's absolutely neccasary to put pressure on the government in the present negotiations.

Are you for real? I think PR suicide is a more appropriate description!

Yes, the dispute is causing maximum disruption and generating top media coverage but not in the unions favour! It is not winning any support whatsoever for the public service cause. You have a government intent on making savings and the general public right behind them. Do they really think the government will just reverse all cuts and magically find the money to pay pre-cut wages once again?

NickDrake

Union heads are on MASSIVE wages that ye pay. MASSIVE wages. They are the ones ye should strike over.

And they argue that people over 100k should take a cut?? Talk about hypocrites.

Mister men

The way the unions and their leaders have carried on these last few days has if anything made the job of the government that bit easier. FF and the Greens are no longer the bad guys in a lot of peoples eyes and any anger out there is now being tunnelled towards CPSU and the like. Huge own goal from Blair Horan where i believe he thought the passport office would be a "soft target" to make a statement and he has underestimated the backlash. I'll be surprised if he's still in a job himself this time next year.

term

the heros under siege in Molesworth St.

Must admit, laughed heartily and out loud at this phrase.