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Rabbit Starvation
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22-03-2010 3:08pm#1
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shannonpowerlab wrote: »I read somewhere that after eating rabbits you feel hungrier than before eating...
Apparently it is to do with lack of fatty acids in the meat...(being very lean).
Did anyone notice the effect after eating?
As with all great things in life, it's already been covered by Stephen Fry
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shannonpowerlab wrote: »Yes I saw it too on Wikipedia...
So, when you cook it, do you soak it in oil beforehand?
In the words of Stephen Fry,
Your not quite getting this...
If you were forced to live on a diet of rabbit alone,
nothing else, rabbit, rabbit, and more rabbit,
without any other type of food in your diet,
for weeks at a time,then and only then would it become an issue,
eating rabbit as one meal as part of a normal diet, does not require soaking it in oil to prevent rabbit starvation symptoms.
You can cook it slowly with some pieces of belly of pork to stop the rabbit drying out or wrap it in bacon and drizzle on a little olive oil, if you want to roast/casserole it, in a slow cooked rabbit stew drying out is not an issue.
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rose hip has 50 times than lemons, Lemons aren't actually that high. The thing is its a lot easier to consume citrus (or veg, broccoli is good) in large amounts.
Still, I don't see the point of lumping pine needles in with my rabbit. I prefer the taste my way. I'll get vit C else where
I don't like taste of rosehip. And Broccoli I hate.
Although the Jury is still out on my dandelion wine, 1 year old in April.
Not big on rabbits either, the odd time a 3/4 rabbit is nice.
I prefer venison.
I plan to get a section 42 and get one in July and cook as per Hugh Fearnley whittingstall on a spit with bacon fat to keep meat from drying
I like wild duck and Reared freerange hen pheasant.
But nettles are the only job in a stew, in may when they are fresh, dandelion leaves can be eaten in April as salad.
And wild garlic can be thrown in with Bugs bunny if cooking in pot over a campfire. And elderberry in august too
A few of my RDF buddies call me bush tucker man
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It should be noted by all those who eat rabbit on a regular basis that there is another consequence to excessive rabbit consumption...
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Knew I'd seen this before!Rabbit Starvation was first talked about by arctic explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson.
Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who spent many years living with the Eskimos and Indians of Northern Canada, reports that wild male ruminants like elk and caribou carry a large slab of back fat, weighing as much as 40 to 50 pounds. The Indians and Eskimo hunted older male animals preferentially because they wanted this back slab fat, as well as the highly saturated fat found around the kidneys. Other groups used blubber from sea mammals like seal and walrus.
"The groups that depend on the blubber animals are the most fortunate in the hunting way of life," wrote Stefansson, "for they never suffer from fat-hunger. This trouble is worst, so far as North America is concerned, among those forest Indians who depend at times on rabbits, the leanest animal in the North, and who develop the extreme fat-hunger known as rabbit-starvation. Rabbit eaters, if they have no fat from another source—beaver, moose, fish—will develop diarrhea in about a week, with headache, lassitude, a vague discomfort. If there are enough rabbits, the people eat till their stomachs are distended; but no matter how much they eat they feel unsatisfied. Some think a man will die sooner if he eats continually of fat-free meat than if he eats nothing, but this is a belief on which sufficient evidence for a decision has not been gathered in the north. Deaths from rabbit-starvation, or from the eating of other skinny meat, are rare; for everyone understands the principle, and any possible preventive steps are naturally taken."
Normally, according to Stefansson, the diet consisted of dried or cured meat "eaten with fat," namely the highly saturated cavity and back slab fat that could be easily separated from the animal. Another Arctic explorer, Hugh Brody, reports that Eskimos ate raw liver mixed with small pieces of fat and that strips of dried or smoked meat were "spread with fat or lard." Pemmican, a highly concentrated travel food, was a mixture of lean dried buffalo meat and highly saturated buffalo fat. (Buffalo fat, by the way, is more saturated than beef fat.) Less than two pounds of pemmican per day could sustain a man doing hard physical labor. The ratio of fat to protein in pemmican was 80%-20%. As lean meat from game animals was often given to the dogs, there is no reason to suppose that everyday fare did not have the same proportions: 80% fat (mostly highly saturated fat) to 20% protein—in a population in which heart disease and cancer were nonexistent.
Fat has been a big part of traditional diets for thousands of years. Modern society has demonized the use of fat of any kind. The lower the fat the better. Most of my fellow WLSers think the same way. Their mantra is always lean, clean protein. But are they fooling themselves? Can they continue to eat such a lean type diet and achieve their goal of optimal health.? Let's look more into what Stefansson has to say in his book, My Life With The Eskimo.
In certain places and in certain years rabbits are an important article of diet, but even when there is an abundance of this animal, the Indians consider themselves starving if they get nothing else, ~~ and fairly enough, as my own party can testify, for any one who is compelled in winter to live for a period of several weeks on lean meat will actually starve, in this sense : that there are lacking in his diet certain elements, notably fat, and it makes no difference how much he eats, he will be hungry at the end of each meal and eventually he will lose strength or becomes actually ill.
Of our entire seven I was now the only one not actually sick, and I felt by no means well. Doing hard work in cold weather on a diet nearly devoid of fat is a most interesting and uncommon experiment in dietetics, and may therefore be worth describing in some detail. The symptoms that result from a diet of lean meat are practically those of starvation. The caribou on which we had to live had marrow in their bones that was as blood, and in most of them no fat was discernible even behind the eyes or in the tongue. When we had been on a diet of oil straight, a few weeks before, we had found that with a teacupful of oil a day there were no symptoms of hunger; we grew each day sleepier and more slovenly, and no doubt lost strength gradually, but at the end of our meals of long haired caribou skin and oil we felt satisfied and at ease. Now with a diet of lean meat everything was different. We had an abundance of it as yet and we would boil up huge quantities and stuff ourselves with it. We ate so much that out stomachs were actually distended much beyond their usual size ~~ so much that it was distinctly noticeable even outside of one's clothes. But with all this gorging we felt constantly hungry. Simultaneously we felt like unto bursting and also as if we had not had enough to eat. One by one the six Eskimos of the party were taken with diarrhea.
Stefansson and his party did not fair well on all lean protein, as you can plainly see. Years later Stefansson was asked to reproduce the conditions of his meat based diet for scientific research. He and a colleague were followed by a group of scientists at Bellevue Hospital in New York for a year. He published the story, Adventures in Diet, in the Harper's Monthly Magazine, November 1935. Here is a exert concerning his experience when they attempted to have him eat lean meats with very little fat.
The experiment started smoothly with Andersen, who was permitted to eat in such quantity as he liked such things as he liked, provided only that they came under our definition of meat - steaks, chops, brains fried in bacon fat, boiled short-ribs, chicken, fish, liver and bacon. In my case there was a hitch, in a way foreseen.
For I had published in 1913, on pages 140-142 of My Life with the Eskimo, an account of how some natives and I became ill when we had to go two or three weeks on lean meat, caribou so skinny that there was no appreciable fat behind the eyes or in the marrow. So when Dr. DuBois suggest that I start the meat period by eating as large quantities as I possibly could of chopped fatless muscle, I predicted trouble. But he countered by citing my own experience where illness had not come until after two or three weeks, and he now proposed lean for only two or three days. So I gave in.
The chief purpose of placing me abruptly on exclusively lean was that there would be a sharp contrast with Andersen who was going to be on a normal meat diet, consisting of such proportions of lean and fat as his own taste determined.
As said, in the Arctic we had become ill during the second or third fatless week. I now became ill on the second fatless day. The time difference between Bellevue and the Arctic was due no doubt mainly to the existence of a little fat, here and there in our northern caribou - we had eaten the tissue from behind the eyes, we had broken the bones for marrow, and in doing everything we could to get fat we had evidently secured more than we realized. At Bellevue the meat, carefully scrutinized, had been as lean as such muscle tissue can be. Then, in the Arctic we had eaten tendons and other indigestible matter, we had chewed the soft ends of bones, getting a deal of bulk that way when we were trying to secure fat. What we ate at Bellevue contained no bulk material, so that my stomach could be compelled to hold a much larger amount of lean.
The symptoms brought on at Bellevue by an incomplete meat diet (lean without fat) were exactly the same as in the Arctic, except that they came on faster - diarrhea and a feeling of general baffling discomfort.
Up north the Eskimos and I had been cured immediately when we got some fat. Dr. DuBois now cured me the same way, by giving me fat sirloin steaks, brains fried in bacon fat, and things of that sort. In two or three days I was all right, but I had lost considerable weight.
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