Boxing is dead!

deisedelight

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz032110.htm

pacman v clottey - 51k turned up in dallas. expected 800k plus ppv buys which is huge against a relative unknown like clottey.

51k turn for klitscho fight some american chump.

Over 12m germans watch it on TV.Exact figure 12.6 million viewers, 52.8% market share of viewship

May 1 - Mosley V Mayweather ...expected 1.5 - 2m ppvs

Vitali Klitschko-Sosnowski will sell out the 61k stadium

Kevin Mitchell V Katsidis in May which will be a cracker ...expected crowd at upton park is 30k plus as is Cotto V Foreman in Yankee stadium.

Haye V Ruiz is already sold out and his last fight in the UK alone did 1m ppvs.

Kameda has viewership figures of 50m in Japan alone !!!. Thats bigger than all the HBO and Showtime boxing cards shown in the US for 2009.

Boxing is on a high contary to what is read in certain media reports

richierichballs

deisedelight wrote: »

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz032110.htm

pacman v clottey - 51k turned up in dallas. expected 800k plus ppv buys which is huge against a relative unknown like clottey.

51k turn for klitscho fight some american chump.

Over 12m germans watch it on TV.Exact figure 12.6 million viewers, 52.8% market share of viewship

May 1 - Mosley V Mayweather ...expected 1.5 - 2m ppvs

Vitali Klitschko-Sosnowski will sell out the 61k stadium

Kevin Mitchell V Katsidis in May which will be a cracker ...expected crowd at upton park is 30k plus as is Cotto V Foreman in Yankee stadium.

Haye V Ruiz is already sold out and his last fight in the UK alone did 1m ppvs.

Kameda has viewership figures of 50m in Japan alone !!!. Thats bigger than all the HBO and Showtime boxing cards shown in the US for 2009.

Boxing is on a high contary to what is read in certain media reports

Boxing is not dead, I do worry for it when Mayweather and Pacquiao retire but there are some great up comers in the sport and I think it is alive and well.....

cowzerp

richierichballs wrote: »

Boxing is not dead, I do worry for it when Mayweather and Pacquiao retire but there are some great up comers in the sport and I think it is alive and well.....

Tyson goes, De la Hoya takes over, he goes, Mayweather and Pacman-there is always more and always will be-we just dont know them yet, but in a few years we'll be saying the same about them too..

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Tyson goes, De la Hoya takes over, he goes, Mayweather and Pacman-there is always more and always will be-we just dont know them yet, but in a few years we'll be saying the same about them too..

That is it in a nutshell. People always make out that the next great thing will never be seen again, and what happens, something better comes along. It's like this in all sports.

There are some real great matches in boxing over the next few months, exciting fighters and intriguing match ups.

mike65

You are right

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/mar/22/harry-carpenter-dies

richierichballs

cowzerp wrote: »

Tyson goes, De la Hoya takes over, he goes, Mayweather and Pacman-there is always more and always will be-we just dont know them yet, but in a few years we'll be saying the same about them too..

Yeah I agree with you....
But who is gonna take over? At the moment there is no up and comer I think out there who really has that spark...
I think Paul Williams is the future, I hope Pavlik grows a pair and fights him after Martinez

Dr. Greenthumb

richierichballs wrote: »

Yeah I agree with you....
But who is gonna take over? At the moment there is no up and comer I think out there who really has that spark...
I think Paul Williams is the future, I hope Pavlik grows a pair and fights him after Martinez

Bradley / valero / alexander

the junior welterweight division has some real good fights on the cards if the promoters put the fighters together. If valero steps up a weight it'll make it very interesting.

hopefully that Jones guy at welterweight can do something too.

richierichballs

Dr. Greenthumb wrote: »

Bradley / valero / alexander

the junior welterweight division has some real good fights on the cards if the promoters put the fighters together. If valero steps up a weight it'll make it very interesting.

hopefully that Jones guy at welterweight can do something too.

Bradley is the dogs alright, Valero is exciting but isn't exactly skillful,
I think Bradley could take him.
Devon Alexander has a bright future, I think all three of them KO A mere Con, or sorry I mean Amir Khan lol

walshb

Bradley schools Valero; as does anyone with a good chin and neat skills.

Dr. Greenthumb

i agree valero can be sloppy but he'll create some upsets. also when he wants to tighten up he can the only problem is he always goes back to the gung ho style. if he was to fight someone of bradleys standard i think we'd see a lot neater fighter.

i don't care what anyone says i'd still like to see every fight that guy is in for the pure enjoyment of it lol

khan is in for a real rough ride if that chin is as weak as a lot of people think it is as he won't be able to keep any of the 3 guys mentioned before off him.

walshb

Dr. Greenthumb wrote: »

i agree valero can be sloppy but he'll create some upsets. also when he wants to tighten up he can the only problem is he always goes back to the gung ho style. if he was to fight someone of bradleys standard i think we'd see a lot neater fighter.

i don't care what anyone says i'd still like to see every fight that guy is in for the pure enjoyment of it lol

khan is in for a real rough ride if that chin is as weak as a lot of people think it is as he won't be able to keep any of the 3 guys mentioned before off him.

The LW/JWW divisions are great and offer up some tasty matches. The best boxer is Khan, skill wise and speed wise, I am convinced of this. But, the chin may let him down, either way, he will always be in exciting fights because of his skills and attacking style, AND the "risky" chin. Hopefully, experience and maturity can aid can Khan somewhat. Should he lose to Paulie, forget about it Amir.

richierichballs

Dr. Greenthumb wrote: »

khan is in for a real rough ride if that chin is as weak as a lot of people think it is as he won't be able to keep any of the 3 guys mentioned before off him.

Khan is a great fighter, he is fast and powerful, he is very talented.
But someone has chinny has him won't last long unfortunately

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

Khan is a great fighter, he is fast and powerful, he is very talented.
But someone has chinny has him won't last long unfortunately

But, aren't you gonna' at least wait and see?

He has ONE bad KO loss, happened at LW when he was 21......

Jeez, remember Clay? He was badly wobbled and almost out vs. Cooper, only
for the bell, who knows......

Amir shook off Barerra shots and Kotelnik shots fairly okay. Now, I know
there is worse to come, but he is still maturing and getting stronger.

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

The LW/JWW divisions are great and offer up some tasty matches. The best boxer is Khan, skill wise and speed wise, I am convinced of this. But, the chin may let him down, either way, he will always be in exciting fights because of his skills and attacking style, AND the "risky" chin. Hopefully, experience and maturity can aid can Khan somewhat. Should he lose to Paulie, forget about it Amir.

There are too many heavy hitters in his division, he can't duck them all!
Sure he is afraid of Maidana, think of what Valero could do? No doubt Edwin is gonna move up soon, Much better divison at 140......
Khan has picked the most feather fisted high profiler in the division,
5 Ko's in 27 wins? Cmon! Khan needs to step his game up if he wants to stay World Champion, I would love to see him Fight Madiana or Alexander

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

But, aren't you gonna' at least wait and see?

He has ONE bad KO loss, happened at LW when he was 21......

Jeez, remember Clay? He was badly wobbled and almost out vs. Cooper, only
for the bell, who knows......

It wasn't the first time Khan was put down or Wobbled,
If he tightens up his defense he can be P4P #1 someday,
Look at Mayweather we don't even know if he has a good chin or not because he has never really been hit clean......
If Khan can come up a defense that he is comfortable with and effective he has the skill power and speed to be the best

walshb

Yes, we know he was wobbled, but my point is that he was a young kid aged 20 and 21.
Now, time and strength and maturity could help him. How much it helps is still to be seen.

BTW, I think Floyd's chin is fairly solid. I seem to remember Sharmba Mitchell nailing
hin clean and Floyd barely flinching, but your point about his defence is well noted.

A bit like Pea Whitaker. Was the chin great OR was it the defence? I think Pea
had a fairly good chin

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Yes, we know he was wobbled, but my point is that he was a young kid aged 20 and 21.
Now, time and strength and maturity could help him. How much it helps is still to be seen.

You can't train yourself to have a better chin, It something you are stuck with? And can only get worse if you take punishment, Look at Roy Jones Jr?

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

You can't train yourself to have a better chin, It something you are stuck with? And can only get worse if you take punishment, Look at Roy Jones Jr?

I've been over this a thousand times, as have others. Nobody is saying that you can take a chin that is weak and then make it solid like granite. This is not what I am saying.

I am saying that with training, stamina, weight gain maturity, experience etc, that a fighter can help himself that bit to shake off the affects of a punch etc.

Do you believe that a 135 lb Duran, who was at his peak at this weight, could go the distance with Hagler whilst giving away 25 lbs?

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

I've been over this a thousand times, as have others. Nobody is saying that you can take a chin that is weak and then make it solid like granite. This is not what I am saying.

I am saying that with training, stamina, weight gain maturity, experience etc, that a fighter can help himself that bit to shake off the affects of a punch etc.

Your just saying that you can't make a glass chin solid, but with the right training he can help himself shake off the affects of a punch?
Makes no sense, Amir needs to tighten up his defense, Not train to try and weather shots, but train to not get hit with them shots in the first place....

Freddie Roach is an offensive minded Trainer, he may teach Amir to use his offense as his defense just like Manny does......
I don't think its a good idea for Amir, I think he should of gone with a trainer like Mayweather sr. IMO

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

Your just saying that you can't make a glass chin solid, but with the right training he can help himself shake off the affects of a punch?
Makes no sense, Amir needs to tighten up his defense, Not train to try and weather shots, but train to not get hit with them shots in the first place....

Freddie Roach is an offensive minded Trainer, he may teach Amir to use his offense as his defense just like Manny does......
I don't think its a good idea for Amir, I think he should of gone with a trainer like Mayweather sr. IMO

richie, you are hard work.....:)

I'd better install the word defence onto my list. Yes, the key is NOT to take shots, isn't this the whole concept of this sport?

Now, are you really trying to say that because aged 20 or 21 you were knocked out, that then means that aged 22/23/24/25 etc, you will be knocked out JUST as easily? You cannot know this.

Would a 20/21 year old Clay have taken Foreman's and Shavers shots? Hey, he may well have run from them, but take them flush? I say no. If Cooper could really dent him, then Shavers and Foreman would have clean knocked him out.

Why? Well, aged 20/21, Clay was still maturing and learning the game. His strength and experience and efficient weight gain, and years of hardening, allowed his body and chin to absorb a shot that bit better. Aged 20 and 21 he was still a kid, and still had to harden and mature and strengthen.

The key words are aid and help. You obviously missed them.
Nobody is making out that Khan will miraculously develop a Chuvalo or Hagler chin

joepenguin

walshb wrote: »

The key words are aid and help. You obviously missed them.
Nobody is making out that Khan will miraculously develop a Chuvalo or Hagler chin

Exactly, a chinny fighter is a chinny fighter but if Kahn trained with this in mind then he can minimise the effects punches will have on him.

As mentioned already building up the legs, neck muscles, going up in weight, naturally maturing etc will all help, as will defence, using angles etc.

Think about it, if you throw a punch at someone who weighs 9 and a half stone and they stand straight in front of you you will likely floor them. Out 5 pounds on that person, make them move their head when you punch and it wont have the same effect. Dont forget Kahn was in with grown men from day 1 and would have been in with stronger men in the amateurs too.

I still call him chinny an its no surprise they are taking on Mallignaggi as it will test him on the big stage, hes still developing after all. He'll get knocked down and probably out again in his career I'm sure, but it wont be against the likes of Prescott.

deisedelight

Dr. Greenthumb wrote: »

Bradley / valero / alexander

the junior welterweight division has some real good fights on the cards if the promoters put the fighters together. If valero steps up a weight it'll make it very interesting.

hopefully that Jones guy at welterweight can do something too.

what about kordobov, danny jacobs, amir khan, donaire, valero, maidana, ward, rigondeaux, berto,gamboa,direll

theres so many class young fighters out

i think in 5 yrs time all the best fights will be at light middle/middle

deisedelight

walshb wrote: »

That is it in a nutshell. People always make out that the next great thing will never be seen again, and what happens, something better comes along. It's like this in all sports.

There are some real great matches in boxing over the next few months, exciting fighters and intriguing match ups.

totally agree, some great fights lined up for 2010 especially over the summer.

deisedelight

Dr. Greenthumb wrote: »

i agree valero can be sloppy but he'll create some upsets. also when he wants to tighten up he can the only problem is he always goes back to the gung ho style. if he was to fight someone of bradleys standard i think we'd see a lot neater fighter.

i don't care what anyone says i'd still like to see every fight that guy is in for the pure enjoyment of it lol

khan is in for a real rough ride if that chin is as weak as a lot of people think it is as he won't be able to keep any of the 3 guys mentioned before off him.

I going to let my heart rule my head here but I love Valero. I think he can be new Pacquiao with proper tutoring. Guy has devastating power. I remembering last yr when prescott v valero fell through - i was so gutted ...would have been class.
Only thing bout Valero is he cant really be classed as an up and coming fighter due to his age but heres hoping to a new wave of fighters

deisedelight

walshb wrote: »

But, aren't you gonna' at least wait and see?

He has ONE bad KO loss, happened at LW when he was 21......

Jeez, remember Clay? He was badly wobbled and almost out vs. Cooper, only
for the bell, who knows......

Amir shook off Barerra shots and Kotelnik shots fairly okay. Now, I know
there is worse to come, but he is still maturing and getting stronger.

Ah mate - A washed up Barrera shots and Kotelnik who is known feather puncher.
I do agree he needs to be given time but hes benn been hugely protected to date and his fight with paulie is another example. while it will be a good fight paulie is another renowned feather puncher.
Its not until he gets in the ring again with a puncher we'll know how good his chin but i do agree hes got immense talent

Bodhisopha

Khan has no chin, i'm telling you, it may have improved some with moving up in weight, maturity but it's been so dreadful before i don't see it improving much, he is a KO waiting to happen. It's a shame really, because if he could be boxings next superstar. The speed of his hands is a sight to behold.

Boxing will be fine for us fans, but i don't see a stand out superstar at the moment. Could be Gamboa or Juanma Lopez, but i don't know what their english is like. With the growing trend for Cubans turning pro i'd say there's exciting times ahead but i just don't see the next De Lo Hoya, Mayweather or Pacquiao with crossover appeal on the horizon.

Conceivably, if Haye can beat the Klit brothers, he has the charisma and lets face it, the physique to be a big star in the states, but i don't see that happening and even if it did he'd need some worthy opponents after.

deisedelight

richierichballs wrote: »

It wasn't the first time Khan was put down or Wobbled,
If he tightens up his defense he can be P4P #1 someday,
Look at Mayweather we don't even know if he has a good chin or not because he has never really been hit clean......
If Khan can come up a defense that he is comfortable with and effective he has the skill power and speed to be the best

Ah richie PBF has been hit flush loads of times (watch the judah,castillo,demarcus corley fights ....these boys were alos at the top of their game at the time too). Flyod has only been knocked down once and technically it was nt a knockdown -PBF left glove hit the floor due to pain after he through a punch with a broken hand. Flyod has a proven solid chin unlike Khans. Christ Khan has been rocked by the likes and has been knocked down by the likes of journey men like Limmond and Gomez. I dont think you can compare the 2 in this respect at all.

deisedelight

joepenguin wrote: »

Exactly, a chinny fighter is a chinny fighter but if Kahn trained with this in mind then he can minimise the effects punches will have on him.

As mentioned already building up the legs, neck muscles, going up in weight, naturally maturing etc will all help, as will defence, using angles etc.

Think about it, if you throw a punch at someone who weighs 9 and a half stone and they stand straight in front of you you will likely floor them. Out 5 pounds on that person, make them move their head when you punch and it wont have the same effect. Dont forget Kahn was in with grown men from day 1 and would have been in with stronger men in the amateurs too.

I still call him chinny an its no surprise they are taking on Mallignaggi as it will test him on the big stage, hes still developing after all. He'll get knocked down and probably out again in his career I'm sure, but it wont be against the likes of Prescott.

good points well made joe. u do forget hes still only a kid

deisedelight

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Khan has no chin, i'm telling you, it may have improved some with moving up in weight, maturity but it's been so dreadful before i don't see it improving much, he is a KO waiting to happen. It's a shame really, because if he could be boxings next superstar. The speed of his hands is a sight to behold.

Boxing will be fine for us fans, but i don't see a stand out superstar at the moment. Could be Gamboa or Juanma Lopez, but i don't know what their english is like. With the growing trend for Cubans turning pro i'd say there's exciting times ahead but i just don't see the next De Lo Hoya, Mayweather or Pacquiao with crossover appeal on the horizon.

Conceivably, if Haye can beat the Klit brothers, he has the charisma and lets face it, the physique to be a big star in the states, but i don't see that happening and even if it did he'd need some worthy opponents after.

Khans speed is ridicoulous allright and potentially can be a huge star but as you say the chin issue will always be there. Freddie was saying that Khans workouts are even more intense than Mannys. I think hes very marketable as well. And whats interesting while i know hes from pakistani origin, india is starting to produce some decent fighters last few yrs so he could make a big impression over in asia maybe. My one concern is that on Sky he was not a PPV draw. golden boy you would hope change that.
I would love to see Valero become the next crossover star ....he would have the whole of south and central america support and could be great for boxing . valero reminds me of a young duran. hes got that crazed look in his eyes when hes on the kill. Would need to learn english and somehow get his licence extended beyound texas. Khan v Valero in 4/5 yrs time if their weights permitted it would be an absolute cracker. If Mitchell beats katsidis thats a big domestic clash there that i think Khan will win.P.S dont see Mitchell beating katsidis anyway but not beyound the beyounds.

richierichballs

deisedelight wrote: »

Ah richie PBF has been hit flush loads of times (watch the judah,castillo,demarcus corley fights ....these boys were alos at the top of their game at the time too). Flyod has only been knocked down once and technically it was nt a knockdown -PBF left glove hit the floor due to pain after he through a punch with a broken hand. Flyod has a proven solid chin unlike Khans. Christ Khan has been rocked by the likes and has been knocked down by the likes of journey men like Limmond and Gomez. I dont think you can compare the 2 in this respect at all.

Floyd was not knocked down okay hes glove hit the canvas but if you closely watch that fight you will see that Judah stood on his foot, thats why it was not ruled a knock down.
I'm trying to to compare, I'm just using Floyd as an example as someone who as extremely effective defense and rarely gets hit,
Khan needs to tighten up his defense and to clear things up Khan could never be on Mayweathers level

Sid_Justice

There was a time when my Granny knew who the Heavy weight boxing champion of the world was, my Dad doesn't even know who Klitchko is (either/or).

Is boxing dead? course not, still thousands of boxing fans interested in watching boxing on PPV and in stadia but is it mainstream? Is it in the coffee shops and in the bars?

I would say less and less. Mayweather has brought boxing back into the non-boxing-fans living room but I don't think anyway on a level of the hay day, and I don't think it will ever be again.

richierichballs

Sid_Justice wrote: »

There was a time when my Granny knew who the Heavy weight boxing champion of the world was, my Dad doesn't even know who Klitchko is (either/or).

Is boxing dead? course not, still thousands of boxing fans interested in watching boxing on PPV and in stadia but is it mainstream? Is it in the coffee shops and in the bars?

I would say less and less. Mayweather has brought boxing back into the non-boxing-fans living room but I don't think anyway on a level of the hay day, and I don't think it will ever be again.

No boxing isn't dead, The heavyweight divison is, Its run by two boring brothers who won't even fight eachother

cowzerp

Sid_Justice wrote: »

There was a time when my Granny knew who the Heavy weight boxing champion of the world was, my Dad doesn't even know who Klitchko is (either/or).

Is boxing dead? course not, still thousands of boxing fans interested in watching boxing on PPV and in stadia but is it mainstream? Is it in the coffee shops and in the bars?

I would say less and less. Mayweather has brought boxing back into the non-boxing-fans living room but I don't think anyway on a level of the hay day, and I don't think it will ever be again.

When the heavyweight champion is an American or British then the world of boxing is mainstream again and your grandad will know who it is (That's why Haye as champ would do wonders for mainstream boxing)

As seen as most the world speak English and the main worlds press is all English speaking then Eastern Europeans are not going to light a spark under the American or English press

Fighting is less in the mainstream at all because the world is a more "civilised" place and it may never reach the mainstream appeal it did during Ali or Tyson's reigns.

Think about it, every time Boxing was major mainstream it was when the champs where Americans or at least English speaking.

Big Ears

richierichballs wrote: »

Floyd was not knocked down okay hes glove hit the canvas but if you closely watch that fight you will see that Judah stood on his foot, thats why it was not ruled a knock down.
I'm trying to to compare, I'm just using Floyd as an example as someone who as extremely effective defense and rarely gets hit,
Khan needs to tighten up his defense and to clear things up Khan could never be on Mayweathers level

He's talking about the knockdown mayweather suffered vs Carlos 'Famoso' Hernandez. Mayweather threw a punch, hurt his hand and went down from the pain.

The Judah knockdown was legit imo. Mayweather was off balance, caught with a decent shot and put his hand on the canvas to keep himself upright.......that's a knockdown.

Floyd's taken enough punches in his career to prove he has a very good chin, the only guy to really have him buzzed was Corley, although Judah did hurt him a little aswell.

deisedelight

Totally agree the Judah KO was 100% legit. I think we all agree though that PBF's chin is solid and there are still question marks of Khans chin.

Regarding The Klitschos and the Heavyweight devision I have a few points I d like to make

While these guys are not from english speaking countries they have perfect english and are fluent in 4 languages ( for that reason alone you would think there a media dream) . One brother is an olympic gold medalist. Both brothers have went on and completed PHDs. One was a prominent member of the orange revolution and has been heavily involved in politics. So there is a very interesting story here that the media could milk.

So why are american media not interested in covering their fights media wise....bear in mind Wlads fight was nt even covered by TV alone in the US which is shocking....

is it their slow methodigal style......but then Flyod also also has a pateient defensive style ( so is this a valid reason)

I mean i just dont get this . Vitali spends 6 months of the year in LA but yet hes a relative unknown compared to Pacquaio .

I cant figure why.

Is it because they are not americans and smash up every amercian chump that challenges them.

I can totally see why they rather fight in germany where there loved and have huge multi million pound sponsership deals with mercedes, hugo boss etc. Make no mistale while the klitschos are not mainstream in the UK and Ireland , in germany and all the ex soviet blocs these brothers are huge and definetly mainstream.

Another reason could be the rise of MMA. I imagine in the redneck areas of the states they probably think chuck liddlell or brock lesnar are heavy weight chapions of the world. I suppose the thing boxing needs to look at here is how can the industry learn from the ufc brand etc....i think the industry is starting to pay attention.

But going offline with my post here what really gutted me about the pacman v clottey fight was the fact here we had an apportunity to put on an amazing show. Arum put together one of the dullest undrcards for a long time. Golden Boy certainly are doin a much better job in this respect - undercards. But the main event was an awful showing to the casual fan . Did boxing no favours and clottey should get part of his purse dedcuted for his risk averse attitude. i will never again wanna watch clottely . sorry for going offside with this rant

Heres looking forward to shane taking the fight to Pacman. did anyone think pacquaio looked a lil smaller than the cotto fight...maybe its my imagination...

cowzerp

deisedelight wrote: »

Another reason could be the rise of MMA. I imagine in the redneck areas of the states they probably think chuck liddlell or brock lesnar are heavy weight champions of the world. I suppose the thing boxing needs to look at here is how can the industry learn from the ufc brand etc....i think the industry is starting to pay attention.

The UFC is marketed superbly, they keep things familiar and even there journey men are well known, this is by selling the product, they keep the refs the same, MC, Ring girls, commentators and fighters so when people watch they have an interest in all the fights, because they'll want 1 to win over another or like 1 lads style more etc,,, its all about keeping things constant..

deisedelight wrote: »

But going offline with my post here what really gutted me about the pacman v clottey fight was the fact here we had an apportunity to put on an amazing show. Arum put together one of the dullest undrcards for a long time. Golden Boy certainly are doin a much better job in this respect - undercards.

The undercard was a disgrace and everything thats wrong with boxing, in saying that it shows how big boxing is when 1 ok fight generates so much interest without any worthy supporting fights, the last undercard fight had 1 30 yr old unbeaten heavyweight prospect V some can who was 3-18-0 or something, now thats terrible, at least put in an average journeyman!

Golden Boy in fairness does do much better undercards and promotes the fighters better but still more promotion of there fighters could be done, even when there not due to fight, they need to be household names to make the fights interesting, wheter you watch boxing, mma or other, its fairly boring watching random lads you dont know fighting as you dont have anyone to support or cheer on..

T-K-O

Boxing dies four times a week, Yawn.

rovert

deisedelight wrote: »

Another reason could be the rise of MMA. I imagine in the redneck areas of the states they probably think chuck liddlell or brock lesnar are heavy weight chapions of the world. I suppose the thing boxing needs to look at here is how can the industry learn from the ufc brand etc....i think the industry is starting to pay attention.

I think you need to look at UFC's demographics they are most popular in affluent urban areas such as New York, New Jersey, Montreal and Toronto.
For every Brock and Liddell there is a GSP and Silva.

listermint

Hi Guys

The Haye Vs Ruiz on April 3rd. I know its on Box Office is this available through NTL or can you access it through Sky Player?

Cheers Guys

walshb

listermint wrote: »

Hi Guys

The Haye Vs Ruiz on April 3rd. I know its on Box Office is this available through NTL or can you access it through Sky Player?

Cheers Guys

I am almost sure an NTL subscriber can access box office sky events. I guess the best person to ask is an NTL employee. Ring them up.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

I am almost sure an NTL subscriber can access box office sky events. I guess the best person to ask is an NTL employee. Ring them up.

Holy crap Batman, are you trying to completely destroy the man ???

Ringing NTL is possibly the most infuriating experience you are ever likely to experience on this planet - EVER !!!!

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

Holy crap Batman, are you trying to completely destroy the man ???

Ringing NTL is possibly the most infuriating experience you are ever likely to experience on this planet - EVER !!!!

Yes, come to think of it, I have heard that. Scratch that last post listermint.

I am with Sky, but will not be paying for this match.

Joe Musashi

deisedelight wrote: »

Kameda has viewership figures of 50m in Japan alone !!!. Thats bigger than all the HBO and Showtime boxing cards shown in the US for 2009.

Interesting article here about Kameda.

http://www.fightnews.com/?p=41467

I thought he was popular in Japan but no, it seems to be the complete opposite.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hiroyuki Miyata, the impresario of Miyata Promotion that staged the Kameda-Pongsaklek title go, revealed that the surprisingly sparse crowd was only 1,900, which showed Kameda’s unpopularity among our boxing aficionados. He pointed out that what accounted for the previous big audience in the Kameda-Daisuke Naito bout last November was just Naito’s nationwide popularity as well as people’s expectation on his victory over the bad boy Kameda.


Why are Kameda brothers hated by the general public? Simply because they are not sportsmanlike. Kameda makes it a rule (ritual) at the weigh-in to shake hand with his opponent with full force to hurt the hand and intimidate him. Kameda once roughly appeared to the press conference, eating a Kentucky fried chicken, and said to his rival, “Can you eat now like this?” Kameda always ridicules his opponent with dirty words, which the Japanese culture dislikes. Kameda, after the weigh-in, usually gives an awesome stare to his opponent, and if he turns his eyes away, he triumphantly shouts, “You’re a coward!” They are antisocial rather than childish, which is absolutely against what we expect professional boxers to be with our old tradition in the wake of Yoshio Shirai, Fighting Harada, Masao Ohba, etc. Our hero should be humble, modest and strong, unlike Kameda.


Kameda is a strange boxing figure. Many people won’t buy tickets to profit the arrogant Kameda family, but they watch the bad boy’s fight on television, so the TV ratings are high probably because they are eager to see the big-mouthed Kameda beaten. Despite high television ratings, strange enough, very few sponsors financially give support to Kameda’s boxing programs chiefly due to his bad manner and impaired reputation therefore. Definitely it is a misunderstanding that foreign media think Kameda is popular here. He is just notorious and flamboyant. Almost all active Japanese boxers also dislike Kameda, since they are afraid that people think them to be as ill-mannered as Kameda. Since his appearance on the paid ranks, the bad boy has destroyed and deteriorated the dignity of boxing here.
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Big Ears

Joe Musashi wrote: »

Interesting article here about Kameda.

http://www.fightnews.com/?p=41467

I thought he was popular in Japan but no, it seems to be the complete opposite.

I think he's very much Japan's answer to Naseem Hamed, personality wise anyway. Kameda although a good fighter is less talented, but imo he'll probably have an extremely successful career seeming as what he's already done at such a young age.