Dragons Den

Shayman

Does the woman in Dragons Den ever invest in anything?

liam7831

i agree, id say she aint got any money
She always has some crappy excuse for not investing

Southsider1

Do they actually use their own money? I don't know about her but her husband is DJ Carey and his business went under last year.

mailrewop

anytime she puts in an offer she wants around 50% of the business or just makes a ridiculous offer. its like she knows the person is not gonna accept her offer but atleast she has made an offer, they should get someone else.

ziggyman17

hardly any of them invest anything.. not a patch on the english version..

jackiexx

hahaha she always like no it wouldn't be something im interested in bla bla bla...i did see her invest in one thing before, that was ages ago and cant remember what it was:D

clairek6

she always says she cant bring anything to whatever the product is.. what does she have 2 offer so.....?:rolleyes::p

cullen5998

She invested in one thing last week. I think it was something to compress litter in a wheelie bin. Thats the only time she invested in anything.

She is a waste of a seat on the show though. An unlikeable person

JonathanAnon

Southsider1 wrote: »

Do they actually use their own money? I don't know about her but her husband is DJ Carey and his business went under last year.

I didnt realise that He was selling the health care stuff wasnt he?

Sara is there as the token female. She is aloof, precious (the slightest sexist remark however traditionally oriented can set her off), unwilling to invest in anything bar a stonewalled certainty of return on investment, and when she does make an offer she acts like she's at a liquidation sale.

Her involvement could be summed up as being disingenuous and mean spirited. At least the lads sometimes invest in something and take a chance.. that's what the program is meant to be about.

jimmyw

Southsider1 wrote: »

Do they actually use their own money? I don't know about her but her husband is DJ Carey and his business went under last year.

:eek: I never knew that! Well you learn something new every day:cool:

ednwireland

the problem with the irish dragons den is that the dragons arent rich enough to take a serious punt on a good idea (bit like peter jones with hamfatter (band) he just fancied playing in the music business)
and the percentages they want of the company are crazy, a few times thay have wanted over 50% of the company now the person who owns the company has a minority stake and effectively doesnt own the company - whats the point of that, the new series is really annoyomg me as they are ripping of some people who have worked hard to get to where they are

Morgans

Irish version is far far superior entertainment wise. Its not even close.

Token female is right. There was one entreprenooor who had the surf-board sunflower seeds maybe a year ago, and both Sarah and another dragon were interested.

Entrepenuer seemed like a sound lad, happy-go-lucky but serious about his business. Had a lot in order and making a proper go of things.

Sarah decided to be the hard ass and force his hand saying "well, you have to make up your mind now, I'm not going to wait" etc and he returned "just there is that five seconds, I got a glimpse of what it would be like to work with you and for that reason I'm going with (insomnia dragon)"

I'm paraphrasing but it was the highlight of the entire show for me.

Go f**k yourself, basically.

35notout

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I didnt realise that He was selling the health care stuff wasnt he?

jimmyw wrote: »

:eek: I never knew that! Well you learn something new every day:cool:

they are not married - living together.

she still has her money - fair play to her

KerranJast

Two main problems I have with Irish Dragons Den (some of which have been touched on already):

1. Dragons must not have much cash to invest as they rarely go for a genuinely promising opportunity. They nearly all want a business thats already trading and successful. In that case why the hell doesn't the entrepreneur just go to the bank rather than chucking away half their company to those Jokers? Surely the PR from the show can't be worth that much.

2. Nearly all the Dragons (Sarah Newman particularly) rule themselves out almost immediately if the business isn't something they're used to. Aren't they support to be investors? All that should matter to them is the books and how driven the entrepreneur is.

TarfHead

35notout wrote: »

JonathanAnon wrote: »

they are not married - living together.
she still has her money - fair play to her

They're getting married this year- maybe she's saving for the wedding ?

IIRC, she made a serious wedge selling her online business - something along the lines of holidays or hotel reservations.

A self-made woman who, I would imagine, doesn't suffer fools.

ziedth

DJ Carey left his wife and kids to be with Sarah Numan right?

She is the main reason I refuse to watch the show.

If you look at the English version deb meehan (spelling?) built her empire from scratch starting out in like a tiny family holiday park. Sarah Numan sold ONE website in the height of the boom now fairplay I couldn't do it but to somehow think your better then anyone else is madness, I cringe when she says anything about her experience.

I think what sums her up for me was some young girl was on it with a clothes business and said her target Market was something like 15-25 year olds and Sarah actually gave out to her for saying that saying she couldn't invest because she was older then that. I couldn't believe my wyes when I saw it I mean anyone in business surely knows that the vast majority of products have a target Market in particular fashion.

Anyway, to sum up she ruins the show IMO.

JonathanAnon

.. English version deb meehan built her empire from scratch starting out in like a tiny family holiday park. Sarah sold ONE website in the height of the boom .. I cringe when she says anything about her experience.

agree completely. They say (paraphrase) "Sarah Newman made her fortune with needahotel.com, and is currently pursuing business interests in Europe" ... can an offer an alternative... "Sarah Newman got lucky in the dot com boom with one website, has no other significant business experience/interests, and is currently storing her nuts for Winter (and very likely to invest)"

Nearly all the Dragons (Sarah Newman particularly) rule themselves out almost immediately if the business isn't something they're used to. Aren't they support to be investors? All that should matter to them is the books and how driven the entrepreneur is.

Agree 100%. For example, why does Sarah even bother seeing ANY of the people bar those running websites then, if she "I have no experience in this area, so I'm gonna bow out".. That's the ONLY area she has experience in. It's not enough to count yourself out cos of this alone if you are a true entrepreneur.

S.T.A.R.S

I'll tell you all what I think of Sarah Newman after April 1st!!

molloyjazz

cullen5998 wrote: »

She invested in one thing last week. I think it was something to compress litter in a wheelie bin. Thats the only time she invested in anything.

She is a waste of a seat on the show though. An unlikeable person

So funney, that product had been done a 1000 times, just google u can find one with a better patent than a fookin ball and socket, there cheaper ones out there that have a pnuematic action makin lkife easier.

Nice 1 sarah... ya dope!

Peyton Manning

As far as I know, she's invested in only one business since it started. Some old guy had an invetion you attach to wheely bins and industrial skips that allows you push the rubbish down further so you can fit more in. That's all as far as I know.

molloyjazz

Id say she knew well the product was done, Just to look good and actually Invest...so then she can pull out of the deal off camera.

#Daniel

The Irish dragons den is awful. Like everything RTE import over here, its awful. All the investors are unlikeable imo. Each one of them seems to have their head up their own ass. They can be incredibly critical of an idea if they dont like it, so much that they are actually very rude about it.

Doesnt hold a candle to the english version where the investors actually have personality and take a risk more often than not.

Shane10

#Daniel wrote: »

The Irish dragons den is awful. Like everything RTE import over here, its awful. All the investors are unlikeable imo. Each one of them seems to have their head up their own ass. They can be incredibly critical of an idea if they dont like it, so much that they are actually very rude about it.

Doesnt hold a candle to the english version where the investors actually have personality and take a risk more often than not.

in fairness there havent been that many good ideas ive seen on the 2 series so far. prob the best ones they have invested in. i like bobby prob the best. howya im bobby..

professore

KerranJast wrote: »

In that case why the hell doesn't the entrepreneur just go to the bank rather than chucking away half their company to those Jokers?......

Banks are not lending in Ireland at the moment unless you don't need the money. I agree though ... 50 % of your business for 20 grand (or 2 years dole) ... FFS if it's worth that little then what the hell are you in business for ????

professore

#Daniel wrote: »

The Irish dragons den is awful. Like everything RTE import over here, its awful. All the investors are unlikeable imo. Each one of them seems to have their head up their own ass. They can be incredibly critical of an idea if they dont like it, so much that they are actually very rude about it.

Doesnt hold a candle to the english version where the investors actually have personality and take a risk more often than not.

Don't agree. Only Sarah is up her own ass. The others have a sense of humour and would happily spend a few hours in a pub with any of them. Couldn't say the same of all the English dragons. Also it's much better entertainment than the English one, which at the end of the day is why I watch it.

mikom

TBH I like the Irish dragons, though not too gone on Sarah.
It's one of the shows I hate to miss.

molloyjazz

professore wrote: »

Don't agree. Only Sarah is up her own ass. The others have a sense of humour and would happily spend a few hours in a pub with any of them. Couldn't say the same of all the English dragons. Also it's much better entertainment than the English one, which at the end of the day is why I watch it.

i like the others too..
he my fav, dunno why hated him at first.

KerranJast

professore wrote: »

Banks are not lending in Ireland at the moment unless you don't need the money. I agree though ... 50 % of your business for 20 grand (or 2 years dole) ... FFS if it's worth that little then what the hell are you in business for ????

Banks are not lending to risky prospects. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't give money to what on paper is a guaranteed return.

gaz wac

Was looking at it a few months ago, some bloke had a great product, cant remember what it was , but the big bloke at the end said " i love it, it will make money, but i dont like the look and colour of it" !!! WTF !! give him cash and he can change the colour !!

Woman is gas, person only has to walk into the room..." IM OUT !! "...remember the one where the bloke completly ignored her...she was disgusted...ha ha dont blame him !!...classic

Id love to go on and after i finished talking about the product say " well i know your out, but what about you lads"

mandz

I have to say I actually like it. Yeah its not as good as the UK one but then again RTE don't have the budget (and investors the fortunes) that they UK have. I like the bald guy from Caaavan. Though he was funny the time Sarah did invest "I'm not going to stand in the way of Sarah parting with her money" though he was like a dirty old man last week when the lady was on it with the tanning product.

molloyjazz

The lad i like was on the apprentice too, doing interviews for Bill. He was a right **** to the lad that won it, making him admit he had a drink and gambling problem on TV. lol

Shakeandbake!

cullen5998 wrote: »

She invested in one thing last week. I think it was something to compress litter in a wheelie bin. Thats the only time she invested in anything.

She is a waste of a seat on the show though. An unlikeable person

I think she's a sexy bit of stuff

murpho999

Shakeandbake! wrote: »

I think she's a sexy bit of stuff

Well you'd be on your own there..... she'd definitely get an "I'm out!" from me!

I really don't like Sarah, she is someone who got lucky with a website she started (in Ryanair AFAIK) and sold up. She is not a business genuis.

Only made one investment in two series. Made two other offers were she actually asked for 50% of the company....is she mad?

Also, if she doesn't know anything about how a product works, then she doesn't want to know. 2 weeks ago she immediately said 'I'm out' to a guy who had a plumbing valve as she knows nothing about them. So that means 30 years ago she would have turned down Bill Gates as she doesn''t know anything about operating systems.

As for the show, I really like it, I find this season that the Dragon's are really settling into it and warming to each other, and their egoes are not as big as the ones on the UK one.

Don't agree at all with earlier poster criticising RTE as it's the exact same format as the British one. Budget is not an issue as it's dirt cheap to make and investments come from the Dragons not RTE.

Sean1 o Connor

I suppose it's helping the country in general with new startups and people are begining to think of new inventions with a view to manufacture and export. The roofchute lads from limerick with the rainwater harvester are going well since the show. I heard they have signed a deal with a large harvesting company to supply 1 million units to the uk.

And the dragons thought it was " poppycock"

the show is a good idea but i think we are in trouble with these dragons.... Bring on Ben dunne or o Leary and we will have some chance in getting ireland back on the export market

mandz

Sarah invested last night! Granted only half but still.... Sean is a funny guy...

My housemate couldn't get over Gavin Duffy's comment about golf

Morgans

Morgans wrote: »

Irish version is far far superior entertainment wise. Its not even close.

Token female is right. There was one entreprenooor who had the surf-board sunflower seeds maybe a year ago, and both Sarah and another dragon were interested.

Entrepenuer seemed like a sound lad, happy-go-lucky but serious about his business. Had a lot in order and making a proper go of things.

Sarah decided to be the hard ass and force his hand saying "well, you have to make up your mind now, I'm not going to wait" etc and he returned "just there is that five seconds, I got a glimpse of what it would be like to work with you and for that reason I'm going with (insomnia dragon)"

I'm paraphrasing but it was the highlight of the entire show for me.

Go f**k yourself, basically.

Ha ha i remember that it was brilliant. The guy was an excellent salesman i thought. Really sold himself well and knew his product.

The girl Dee was some businesswoman but hadn't the personality of your surf seeds guy or your Herbie. It just goes to show some do it by genuine smart business acumen and some do it by more of a sparky personality with perhaps less business acumen

BaZmO*

cullen5998 wrote: »

She invested in one thing last week. I think it was something to compress litter in a wheelie bin. Thats the only time she invested in anything.

She is a waste of a seat on the show though. An unlikeable person

The fact that all the other Dragons made such a big deal about her finally investing in something should mean that RTE should tell her that she's out. And I'd definitely agree with the other poster that said that she probably knew that the idea was done to death and as a result she knew she had an out before she even started.

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I didnt realise that He was selling the health care stuff wasnt he?

Sara is there as the token female. She is aloof, precious (the slightest sexist remark however traditionally oriented can set her off), unwilling to invest in anything bar a stonewalled certainty of return on investment, and when she does make an offer she acts like she's at a liquidation sale.

Her involvement could be summed up as being disingenuous and mean spirited. At least the lads sometimes invest in something and take a chance.. that's what the program is meant to be about.

Well said that man.

She really is unlikeable, always looking to be offended by something or start a fight. And the way she rips into some of the contestants is uncalled for.

At least all the others have manners and have at least invested in something.

Yer man Sean Gallagher I think is the best of the lot, at least when he's not interested he gives them some constructive criticism before telling them he's out. He also posted on here during the first series, think it was in reply to the Harry Hill comments. Took it well though.

ziedth

ziedth wrote: »

DJ Carey left his wife and kids to be with Sarah Numan right?

Dunno about that. think they met on a holiday show months after DJ and wife split. Wouldnt be 100% on whether Ms Newman was the cause of that much as i hate the aul 'dragon'. If DJ should outta line with this one he'll have his balls handed to him on a plate.

Gavin is the best dragon. cool calm and collective and willing to take a gamble. he bought into some things that you would half wonder if they would take off or not.

the other 3 i have no problem with. niall seems to have an interest in design whereas the others in innovation and sarah, nothing!

ziedth

That's just it, I can understand how they might "need" a woman on the panel but surely to god someone out there would have been better!

Did dragons den uk ever have a season without a woman on it? I remember Rachel elnough (spelling def not right) was on it over the first couple of seasons.

KerranJast

ziedth wrote: »

That's just it, I can understand how they might "need" a woman on the panel but surely to god someone out there would have been better!

Did dragons den uk ever have a season without a woman on it? I remember Rachel elnough (spelling def not right) was on it over the first couple of seasons.

No they've had a woman since the start. In fairness Deborah Meaden is a shrewd and successful entrepreneur in her own right.

ziedth

ziedth wrote: »

Did dragons den uk ever have a season without a woman on it? I remember Rachel elnough (spelling def not right) was on it over the first couple of seasons.

Her company went bankrupt. Two of the present dragons, i think Peter Jones and Theo Paphitis bought the remaining assets and goods from the liquidator.

Our man in Havana

Moved to the correct forum.

JonathanAnon

Deleted User wrote: »

Her company went bankrupt. Two of the present dragons, i think Peter Jones and Theo Paphitis bought the remaining assets and goods from the liquidator.

Yeh, didnt konw that lads.. here's the full from wiki.

Rachel Elnaugh

Administration
After a poorly made strategic and financial choice of expanding via supermarket distribution, Red Letter Days went into administration on 1 August 2005; the remaining assets and goods were bought by fellow Dragons' Den judges Peter Jones and Theo Paphitis. Although Elnaugh was at the helm before and at the time of the company's failure just days after the birth of her fourth child, she blames the problems on the actions of the last CEO who she appointed in 2002, while she took a non-executive role.[4]
ITV1's "Tonight Programme" had more critical explanation of the demise of Red Letter Days, including unpaid suppliers and disappointed purchasers. The programme suggested the business model failed to escrow or earmark supplier payment equity, instead using it for working capital. However this failure may well be laid at the door of Red Letter Day's bankers who placed £3 million in a bond which they refused to release for use by the firm despite the fact that it related to vouchers that had expired and were not recoverable against the business[5]
Leaving Dragons' Den
As a result of disputes with various Dragons (Jones, Paphitis and Duncan Bannatyne),[3] and the resulting uncomfortable position of the BBC if it allowed a perceived "failed" businesswoman to be on a business panel, she agreed to leave the "Dragons' Den" panel.

Southsider1

Southsider1 wrote: »

Do they actually use their own money? I don't know about her but her husband is DJ Carey and his business went under last year.

did she marry DJ in the end??

ha ha i expected when the priest or whoever asked "do you take this man to be your lawfully wedded husband?" Sarah probably answered, "Well i dont know much about marriage, so i'm OUT!!" :D

Shakeandbake!

Shakeandbake! wrote: »

I think she's a sexy bit of stuff

I propose boards put up a thumbs down option for comments like that but to the poster, whatever floats your boat! :rolleyes: