The Threat of Freemasonry

Brown Bomber

First off sorry about the length of the post. There were so many connections and still I only could scratch the surface.

P2 or Propoganda Due was/is a clandestine freemasonic lodge based in Italy. At the time of its exposure P2's Venerable Master was Licio Gelli. Gelli was a fascist. He was a blackshirt volunteer in the Spainish civil war and later was a liason between the blackshirts government and the third Reich, having direct contact with Herman Göring. "Gelli's goal was to form a new political and economic elite to lead Italy towards a right-wing, authoritarian form of democracy, with an anti-communist pre-occupation".

Masonic lodge P2 have been directly linked with groups from the Vatican, The Mafia, The CIA, Mossad, Argentina's "Dirty War", every walk of Italian life - The Italian Military, Intelligence, politicians, Police, industrialists and the judiciary.

Masonic lodge P2 has been directly linked to drug-trafficking, arms-smuggling, money laundering, Belgian paedophile rings, murder, political assasinations, false-flag terrorists attacks. South American death squads.

P2's apparent downfall came in the wake Gambino family member and financial adviser to the Vatican Michele Sindona faking his own kidnapping following the Banco Ambrosiano scandal. Sindona's connections to Gelli led to Gelli's villa being raided. Investigators found a 900+ member list of P2 members, a whose who of fascist Italian elites including Silvio Berlusconi and the last Crown Prince of Italy Vittorio Emanuele.

P2 were heavily involved if not directly responsible for the CIA backed false-flag attacks. Operation Gladio, who's existince was admitted by the then Italian PM in 1990 resulted in the Milan Bank bombing, 69. The Peteano Bombing and the Bologna Massacre.

The question I wanted to ask is if there could be a link between CIA/Freemason backed terrorism in Europe and global terrorism today?

Brown Bomber

The project of the P2 Lodge was explicit in "Plan of democratic rebirth", retrieved from the daughter of Licio Gelli in July 1982:
"The goal must be, in parties, in newspapers and in the union, as the control of persons in any form or in any newspaper is deemed consistent with the objectives of the plan and the creation of structures (political groups and newspapers) that if they make a tool for implementation. for the mayor in particular, priority should be the goal of the division of trade union unity and then allow the reunification with the autonomous unions of those confederal components sensitive to the implementation of the Plan ".
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P2, CIA, Vatican, Mafia Connections

For a long time the P-2 had been channeling CIA and Vatican funds to fascist groups in Europe and Latin America. Lodge Member Michele Sindona was later arrested on charges of the murder of an Italian lawyer, and died in prison after drinking a cup of poisoned coffee. He was not only the treasurer of the P-2, but also the investment advisor to the Vatican. Sindona was responsible for selling the Vatican's Italian assets and investing the proceeds in the U.S. He was working for the Mafia as well as the CIA and had previously channeled funds to his Yugoslavian "friends" and to the Greek military junta that came to power in 1967.
http://www.american-buddha.com/darkhistory3.htm

Italian Military and Intelligence links to P2
Links between Gladio, Italian secret service bosses and the notorious P2 masonic lodge are manifold. The chiefs of all three secret services - Generals Santovito (SISMI), Grassini (SISDE) and Cellosi (CESSIS) - were members of the lodge. In the year that Andreotti denied Gladio's existence, the P2 treasurer, General Siro Rosetti, gave a generous account of "a secret security structure made up of civilians, parallel to the armed forces".

There are also overlaps between senior Gladio personnel and the committee of military men, Rosa dei Vent, which tried to stage a coup in 1970.

A briefing minute of June 1, 1959, reveals Gladio was built around "internal subversion". It was to play "a determining role...not only on the general policy level of warfare, but also in the politics of emergency".
http://www.cambridgeclarion.org/press_cuttings/vinciguerra.p2.etc_graun_5dec1990.html

P2's connection to Belgian Child Abuse Ring

Although these associations of Violet with Belgium's subversive and apparently child abusing elite are telling, it would be nice to have more details on the personal relationship
between the Pinay Cercle founder and persons like de Bonvoisin and Paul Vanden Boeynants. A "strictly confidential" report written by substitute magistrate Jean-Francois Godbille does just that. On pages 52 and 53 we read:

"Major BOUGEROL and de BONVOISIN, according to a confidential report of the gendarmerie of the Wavre district dated August 14, 1985 (photocopy in appendix), were extremely close the lawyer Jean VIOLET, a member of the secret services of France and the Vatican, and close to the SAC and the P2 Lodge. This is confirmed when reading parts Rapport Godbille
Photocopies of the Godbille Report.
of the dossier about A. de VILLEGAS ... and that of de BONVOISIN, in which it appears that at the request of BOUGEROL, VIOLET was introduced to BOUGEROL by de BONVOISIN (cfr file PDG)."
http://www.isgp.eu/dutroux_and_nebula/Beyond_Dutroux_part_two_Nebula.htm
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The Mossad Connection

Ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky in 'The Other Side of Deception',1994, wrote that Licio Gelli, P-2's Grand Master, was the ally of Mossad in Italy and that Gelli also had a close relationship with the Gladio group. According to Ostrovsky, Mossad used this Gelli-Gladio alliance for its arms dealings with Italy in the 1980s.
http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/copeland.html.

Kissinger Connection

In 'The Pope, The Mafia and Agca', Ugur Mumcu, a Turkish journalist wrote:
"Henry Kissinger is a member of the Monte Carlo lodge, which is the P-2's 'board of directors,' also known as the Monte Carlo Committee. All the members of this lodge are Grand Masters and Masons of the 33rd degree."
http://www.american-buddha.com/darkhistory3.htm

South American Members:

Several members of the Argentine military junta have been found to be P2 members, such as Raúl Alberto Lastiri, Argentina's interim president from July 13, 1973 until October 12, 1973, Emilio Massera, part of Jorge Videla's military junta from 1976 to 1978, and José López Rega, the infamous founder of the Argentine Anticommunist Alliance ("Triple A").
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licio_Gelli

Jose Lopez Rega: Argentinian Minister for Social welfare. Esoteric writer. Created the Argentinian death squad Triple A.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_L%C3%B3pez_Rega

Brown Bomber

P2 Masonic rituals
St. Peter's Banker, Italian journalist Luigi Difonzo

In interviews two former members have described the oaths they took. They were taken to a compound, a Villa hidden in the Apennines in the region of Tuscany. A 12-foot wall seals the neatly manicured grounds from view. In the centre of the main courtyard stands a fountain shaped like a tree trunk. The cobra-like sculpture, with its inflated hood, watches over the compound in a protective posture, as if ready to strike. The cobra's head is twice the size of a human skull. It has a single eye, which is blue during daylight and red after nightfall, for inside the cobra's hood and behind its eye there is a closed-circuit camera that follows a visitor, invited or unwelcome, as the fountain rotates in the direction the intruder moves. The fountain-camera is controlled from a room within the villa where eight monitors, each with five stations, cover eight guest rooms, patio, pool, dining room, sitting room, and party room. Approximately ten cameras, including the one inside the cobra, have infrared lenses. All of the exterior cameras are camouflaged by the landscaping. The Villa's interior is magnificent. Every room has marble floors and is furnished with antiques. Observing the high ceilings, the finely crafted gold-leaf moldings, the portraits of Mussolini, Hitler, and Peron, the visitor experiences a feeling, a sort of living, breathing odor of danger and power that penetrates the soul and cell by cell contaminates the mind with fear. The year is 1964

In the meeting room, twelve members of P-2, dressed in satin ceremonial robes and wearing black hoods reminiscent of those worn by members of the Ku Klux Klan, sit in leather chairs at a red marble conference table. They are the elite members of the Wolf Pack, Gelli's disciples -- some say his execution squad. None of the black-clad disciples knows the identity of any of his eleven brothers. Grand Master Licio Gelli is the only one who bares his face. Two Masons stand post at the entrance to the meeting room. Their faces are also covered ... They are ... personal bodyguards, some say his death squad -- former Mussolini Fascists whose job is to protect the Grand Master and kill any of the twelve disciples who betray the cause "Il Momento di Passare all" (The Time for Real Action) ... Each bodyguard carries an axe; they also bear automatic weapons
http://www.american-buddha.com/darkhistory3.htm

Brown Bomber

Gladio Senate Investigation

The Italian Senate chose to be more explicit and concluded in its investigation in 2000: "Those massacres, those bombs, those military actions had been organized or promoted or supported by men inside Italian state institutions and, as has been discovered more recently, by men linked to the structures of United States intelligence."

Gen Maletti, comannder of the counter-intelligence section of the military intelligence service from 1971 to 1975, said his men had discovered that a rightwing terrorist cell in the Venice region had been supplied with military explosives from Germany.

Those explosives may have been obtained with the help of members of the US intelligence community, an indication that the Americans had gone beyond the infiltration and monitoring of extremist groups to instigating acts of violence, he said.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/GAN412A.html

General Gianadelio Maletti - Milan Bank Bombing, 1969

"The CIA [Central Intelligence Agency], following the directives of its government, wanted to create an Italian nationalism capable of halting what it saw as a slide to the left and, for this purpose, it may have made use of rightwing terrorism," Gen Maletti told the Milan court. "I believe this is what happened in other countries as well."

The 1972 Peteano bombing & Vincenzo_Vinciguerra

Following juridical investigations, it has been discovered that the C4 explosive (the most powerful explosive available at the time) used in the 1972 bombing came from a Gladio arms dump located beneath a cemetery near Verona, whose existence was revealed to judges Felice Casson and Carlo Mastelloni by Giulio Andreotti, former Prime minister of Italy

However, Casson demonstrated that the explosives were in fact C4, which was used by NATO. A group of Carabinieri had accidentally discovered on February 24, 1972, an arms dump near Trieste, containing arms, munitions and C4 identical to the one used in Peteano the same year

Casson's investigation revealed that the right-wing organization Ordine Nuovo had collaborated very closely with the Italian Military Secret Service, SID (Servizio Informazioni Difesa). Together, they had engineerred the Peteano terror and then wrongly blamed the militant extreme Italian left, the Red Brigades. Judge Casson identified Ordine Nuovo member Vincenzo Vinciguerra as the man who had planted the Peteano bomb... He confessed and testified that he had been covererd by an entire network of sympathizers in Italy and abroad who had ensured that after the attack he could escape. 'A whole mechanism came into action', Vinciguerra recalled, 'that is, the Carabinieri, the Minister of the Interior, the customs services and the military and civilian intelligence services accepted the ideological reasoning behind the attack." [2][3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenzo_Vinciguerra

1980 Bologna massacre

The Bologna massacre (Italian: Strage di Bologna) was a terrorist bombing at the Central Station of Bologna, Italy on the morning of 2 August 1980, which killed 85 people and wounded more than 200.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_1980_Bologna_bombing#cite_note-12

In 1984, questioned by judges about the 1980 Bologna station bomb Vinciguerra said: "With the massacre of Peteano, and with all those that have followed, the knowledge should by now be clear that there existed a real live structure, occult and hidden, with the capacity of giving a strategic direction to the outrages...[it] lies within the state itself...There exists in Italy a secret force parallel to the armed forces, composed of civilians and military men, in an anti-Soviet capacity that is, to organise a resistance on Italian soil against a Russian army...A secret organisation, a super-organisation with a network of communications, arms and explosives, and men trained to use them...A super-organisation which, lacking a Soviet military invasion which might not happen, took up the task, on Nato's behalf, of preventing a slip to the left in the political balance of the country. This they did, with the assistance of the official secret services and the political and military forces.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenzo_Vinciguerra

Brown Bomber

During closed-door testimony before Judge James R. Carrigan, Brenneke told the Denver court that both he and Rupp had worked for the CIA on a contract basis since 1967, including flying planes for Air America, a CIA-owned front company in southeast Asia.[citation needed] In his Denver deposition, Brenneke testified that on the night of October 18, 1980, Rupp had flown Reagan-Bush campaign director William Casey from Washington's National Airport to the Le Bourget Airfield north of Paris for a series of secret meetings. According to Brenneke, it was at these meetings— held on October 19 and 20, at the Waldorf Florida and Crillon hotels—that members of the Reagan-Bush campaign secretly negotiated an "arms-for-no- hostages" deal with representatives of the Ayatollah Khomeini. The Iranians allegedly received $40 million with which they could purchase American-made weapons and military spare parts which they needed for their war with Iraq.[citation needed]

For his role in the Rupp trial, Brenneke was tried for perjury. On May 4, 1991, after only five hours of deliberation, the jury found Brenneke "not guilty" on all five counts. Following the trial, jury foreman Mark Kristoff stated, "We were convinced that, yes, there was a meeting, and he was there and the other people listed in the indictment were there...There never was a guilty vote...It was 100 percent."[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise_conspiracy_theory#Jury.27s_Findings_at_Brenneke.27s_Trial

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{Excerpts from the TG1 interview with ex-CIA
agent Richard Brenneke, translated from the Italian
transcript. The interviewer is Ennio Remondino.}

Q: Do you know the P-2 directly?

Breneke: Naturally I have known the P-2 since
1969 and I had deals with the P-2 in Europe since that
time and I had contact with it also recently, till the
beginning of the 1980s. The U.S. government sent money to
P-2. In some periods the sum was about Breneke0 million a
month.

Q: For what purpose?

Breneke: The CIA money for the P-2 had several
aims. One of them was terrorism. Another aim was to get
P-2's help to smuggle dope into the U.S.A. from other
countries. We used them to create situations favorable to
the explosion of terrorism in Italy and in other European
countries at the beginning of the 1970s.

Q: Excuse me, but your statements are very
serious. You say that the P-2 was a creation, the financial
and organizational arm of the CIA to destabilize, to
run cover operations in Europe?

Breneke: There is no doubt. The P-2 since the
beginning of the 1970s was used for the dope traffic, for
destabilization in a covert way. It was done secretly to
keep people from knowing about the involvement of the U.S.
government. In many cases it was done directly through the
offices of the CIA in Rome and in some other cases through
CIA centers in other countries.

Q: In what operations was the P-2 (as an extension
of the CIA) involved?

Breneke: The P-2 was involved in the operation
for which I ended up in court, that is the delay in
the liberation of the American hostages in Iran in 1980.
Members of P-2 participated in the operation and even
attended meetings in Paris and other European cities. The
same people were involved in the arms smuggling into Iran
which took place after these meetings while there was
still an embargo against Iran. The P-2 collaborated with
agencies of the American government in sending weapons to
Iran after the meeting of 1980.

Q: Do you know Gelli personally?

Breneke: I met him for the first time in 1969-70
and the subject of the discussion was the financing of his
organization. I met him several times in the 1970s. I met
him in Paris in October 1980 on an important occasion:
There was a meeting....

Q: ``October Surprise''...

Breneke: ``October surprise.'' The aim of the
meeting was to organize the freedom of the hostages after,
not before, the elections. The meeting was important
because there were Mr. Casey, who later became the
head of the CIA, at that time manager of the
Reagan-Bush electoral campaign and Donald Gregg, who
became ambasssador to South Korea and at that time worked
for the CIA and the National Security Council. At the
meeting I attended Bush was not there, but Bush was...

Q: President Bush?

Breneke: The present President Bush was at that
time a vice presidential candidate. From the information I
had, I know that Bush was in Paris in the same days for
meetings dealing with the freedom of the hostages and the
payment of a ransom for their freedom. Gelli took part in
these meetings. I do not know if he attended the same
meetings with Bush but he definitely attended the same
meetings I attended.

Q: Do you have documentation to prove these very
serious accusations?

Breneke: My accusations are very serious and I
would not do it without evidence.... Some of these
documents were given to the court on the occasion of the
trial against me. They are still in the trial record. Some
documents I gave to members of the inquiry commission of
the U.S. Congress....
http://www.skepticfiles.org/socialis/cossiga.htm



Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti confirms Gladio's existence, 1990
After the discovery by judge Felice Casson of documents on Gladio in the archives of the Italian military secret service in Rome, Giulio Andreotti, head of Italian government, revealed to the Chamber of deputies the existence of "Operazione Gladio" on 24 October 1990, insisting that Italy has not been the only country with secret "stay-behind" armies. He made clear that "each chief of government had been informed of the existence of Gladio". Former Socialist Prime Minister Bettino Craxi claimed that he had not been informed until he was confronted with a document on Gladio signed by himself while he was Prime Minister.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio_in_Italy#Giulio_Andreotti.27s_revelation

Brown Bomber

List of members of the P2 lodge

This is the alphabetical list of 962 subscribers to the "Loggia P2" of Freemasonry retrieved March 17, 1981 to Licio Gelli (Distributed by the Presidency of the Council on 21 May 1981).
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.archivio900.it%2Fit%2Fdocumenti%2Fdoc.aspx%3Fid%3D42

Among the subscribers of the P2 Lodge include

Generals of the Carabinieri Vito Miceli, Giovambattista Palumbo, Pietro Musumeci, Giuseppe Syracuse, Giovanni Allavena, Franco Picchioni and Giulio Grassini; colonels Antonio Labruna and Manlio Del Gaudio; Army General Joseph Santovito; judges and Joseph Cross John Palaia, (members of the CSM), the prefect Walter Pelosi, journalists Maurizio Costanzo, Franco Di Bella, (director of Corriere della Sera), Roberto Gervaso, Gustavo Selva Moscow and St. Paul (former director of Corriere della Domenica), politicians Angelo De Carolis, Mario Tedeschi and Enrico Manca, editor Angelo Rizzoli; entrepreneurs Pierluigi Accornero, Mario Lebole and Silvio Berlusconi.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stragi.it%2Findex.php%3Fpagina%3Dvicenda%26par%3Dp2

The list contained the names of some of the most important persons in Italy: three ministers, 43 members of parliament, 43 generals, eight admirals, secret service chiefs, hundreds of top bureaucrats and diplomats, the police commanders of Italy's four largest cities, industrialists and financiers, the editor and publisher of the newspaper Corriere della Sera and 24 other journalists and TV personalities. Michele Sindona was also listed. Another member of the lodge was banker Roberto Calvi, later to be found hanged from the Blackfriars Bridge in London, in the Masonic style of ritual execution,
http://www.american-buddha.com/darkhistory3.htm

Notable people on Gelli's list

Some notable individuals include:

* Silvio Berlusconi, businessman, founder of the Forza Italia political party and Prime Minister of Italy.[23][24]
* Michele Sindona, banker linked to the Mafia.[25]
* Roberto Calvi, so-called "banker of God", allegedly killed by the Mafia.[25][26]
* Umberto Ortolani, leading P2-member.[27]
* Franco Di Bella, director of Corriere della Sera.[14][24] Di Bella had commissioned a long interview with Gelli, who openly talked of his plans for a "democratic renaissance" in Italy - including control over the media. The interview was carried out by the television talk show host Maurizio Costanzo, who would also be exposed as a member of P2.[15]
* Angelo Rizzoli, owner of Corriere della Sera, today cinema producer.[24]
* Bruno Tassan Din, general director of Corriere della Sera.[24]
* General Vito Miceli, chief of the SIOS (Servizio Informazioni), Italian Army Intelligence's Service from 1969 and SID's head from October 18, 1970 to 1974. Arrested in 1975 on charges of "conspiracy against the state" concerning investigations about Rosa dei venti, a state-infiltrated group involved in the strategy of tension, he later became an Italian Social Movement (MSI) member.[28][29]
* Federico Umberto D'Amato, leader of an intelligence cell (Ufficio affari riservati) in the Italian Minister of Interior, former chief of the police under Mussolini.[30][31]
* Federico Carlos Barttfeld (Argentina), ambassador to Yugoslavia from 1991 to 1995,[5] under-secretary of state in Nestor Kirchner's government, relieved of his functions in 2003 following allegations of involvement in the Dirty War.[32]
* Emilio Massera (Argentina), a member of the military junta led by Jorge Rafael Videla in Buenos Aires from 1976 to 1978.[5]
* José López Rega (Argentina), Argentinian minister of Social Welfare in Perón's government, founder of the Argentine Anticommunist Alliance ("Triple A").[5]
* General Giuseppe Santovito, head of the military intelligence service SISMI (1978-1981).[11][28]
* Admiral Giovanni Torrisi, Chief of the General Staff of the Army.[11][28]
* General Giulio Grassini, head of the intelligence service SISDE (1977-1981).[11][28]
* General Pietro Musumeci, deputy director of Italy's military intelligence service, SISMI.[28]
* General Franco Picchiotti.[28]
* General Giovambattista Palumbo.[28]
* General Raffaele Giudice, commander of the Guardia di Finanza (1974-1978).[28] Appointed by Giulio Andreotti, Giudice conspired with oil magnate Bruno Musselli and others in a lucrative tax fraud of as much as $2.2 billion.[11][33]
* General Orazio Giannini, commander of the Guardia di Finanza (1980-1981).[28] On the day the list was discovered Giannini phoned the official in charge of the operation, and told him (according the official's testimony to the parliamentary commission): "You better know that you've found some lists. I'm in those lists – be careful, because so too are all the highest echelons (I understood 'of the state') ... Watch out, the Force will be overwhelmed by this."[7]
* Carmine Pecorelli, a controversial journalist assassinated on March 20, 1979. He
had drawn connections in a May 1978 article between Aldo Moro's kidnapping and Gladio.[34]
* Maurizio Costanzo, popular television talk show host of Mediaset programmes (Mediaset is Berlusconi's commercial television empire).[15]
* Pietro Longo, secretary of the Italian Democratic Socialist Party (PSDI).[35]
* Fabrizio Cicchitto, member of the Italian Socialist Party, who later joined Berlusconi's centre-right party Forza Italia.[11]

Brown Bomber

Michele Sindona
Michele Sindona (May 8, 1920 - March 22, 1986) was an Italian banker and convicted felon. Known in banking circles as "The Shark", Sindona was a member of Propaganda Due (#0501)[1], an Italian lodge of Masons, and had clear connections to the Mafia.

He soon moved to Milan and his skill and dexterity in transferring money to avoid taxation soon became known to the Mafia bosses. By 1957 he had become closely associated with the Gambino family and was chosen to manage their profits from heroin sales.

Within a year of the Gambino family choosing him to manage their heroin profits, Sindona had bought his first bank. He also became friend with future Pope Giovanni Battista Montini who was at the time Cardinal of the Archdiocese of Milan. By the time Montini became Pope, Sindona had acquired, through his holding company Fasco, many more Italian banks and his progress continued right up to the beginning of his association with the Vatican Bank in 1969. Huge amounts of money moved from Sindona's banks through the Vatican to Swiss banks, and he began speculating against major currencies on a large scale.

According to the Mafia turncoat (pentito) Francesco Marino Mannoia, Sindona laundered the
proceeds of heroin trafficking for the Bontade-Spatola-Inzerillo-Gambino network.

Licio Gelli
Licio Gelli (born April 21, 1919) is an Italian financier, chiefly known for his role in the Banco Ambrosiano scandal. He was revealed in 1981 as being the Venerable Master of the clandestine Masonic lodge Propaganda Due (P2).

A Fascist volunteer
During the 1930s, Licio Gelli volunteered for the "Black Shirts" expeditionary forces sent by Mussolini to Spain in support to Francisco Franco[1], and subsequently became a liaison officer between the Italian blackshirts government and the Third Reich, with contacts including Hermann Göring. He participated in the Italian Social Republic with Giorgio Almirante, founder of the neofascist Italian Social Movement (MSI)

After World War II
Gelli collaborated with American and British intelligence agencies after World War II.

During the 70's, Gelli brokered three-way oil and arms deals between Libya, Italy and Argentina through the Agency for Economic Development, which he and Umberto Ortolani owned

As grand master of Propaganda Due, Gelli allegedly assumed a major role in Gladio's "strategy of tension" in Italy, starting with the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing. Gladio was a clandestine "stay-behind" operation sponsored by the CIA and NATO to counter communist influence in Western European countries; it has been involved in terrorist false flags operations in Italy

On November 23, 1995, the Court of Cassation (Corte di Cassazione) convicted Licio Gelli (grand master of P2), Francesco Pazienza and SISMI officers Pietro Musumeci and Giuseppe Belmonte of diverting investigations in relation to the Bologna Massacre.


Roberto Calvi
Roberto Calvi (13 April 1920 – 17 June 1982) was an Italian banker dubbed "God's Banker" by the press due to his close association with the Vatican. A native of Milan, Calvi was the chairman of Banco Ambrosiano which collapsed in one of modern Italy's biggest political scandals, and his death in London in June 1982 has been the source of enduring controversy.

At 7:30 AM on Friday 18 June 1982 a passing postman found his body hanging from scaffolding beneath Blackfriars Bridge in the financial district of London. Calvi's clothing was stuffed with building bricks, and he was carrying around $15,000 of cash in three different currencies.[4]

Calvi had been a member of Licio Gelli's illegal masonic lodge, P2, and members of P2 referred to themselves as frati neri or "black friars". This has led to a suggestion in
Roberto Calvi was the chairman of Italy's second largest private bank, Banco Ambrosiano, when it went bankrupt in 1982. In 1978, the Bank of Italy had produced a report on the Banco Ambrosiano which found that several billion lire had been exported illegally.

Banco Ambrosiano collapsed in June 1982 following the discovery of debts (according to various sources) of between 700 million and 1.5 billion US dollars. Much of the money had been siphoned off via the Vatican Bank (strictly named the Istituto per le Opere Religiose or Institute of Religious Works), which was Banco Ambrosiano's main shareholder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi

Brown Bomber

Thats it. I'm going to bed now:D

thecommander

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Thats it. I'm going to bed now:D

All that copy pasting made you tired?

humanji

thecommander wrote: »

All that copy pasting made you tired?

Play nice!

My name is URL

I definitely don't think that Freemasonry itself is conspiratorial.. there's lots of Freemasons though, and that means a lot of scope for its members to form bonds and share ideals etc

it's not like a regulated organisation.. they're pretty much free to form whatever groupings they want to, and that's inevitable really given the size of it

studiorat

thecommander wrote: »

All that copy pasting made you tired?

The same copypasta turns up on the David Icke forum saying they are all in the Order of Malta.

Or maybe they are all Italians!!!

kryogen

didnt we have the Freemasonry thread like 2 weeks ago or so?

fair play to you OP, i dont think i could be arsed copy pasting so much

a link might suffice next time eh? save yourself the time!

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

The same copypasta turns up on the David Icke forum saying they are all in the Order of Malta.

Or maybe they are all Italians!!!

Plagiarism is a serious charge. I expect you to back it up, or withdraw the statement and apologise.

Brown Bomber

My name is URL wrote: »

I definitely don't think that Freemasonry itself is conspiratorial.. there's lots of Freemasons though, and that means a lot of scope for its members to form bonds and share ideals etc

it's not like a regulated organisation.. they're pretty much free to form whatever groupings they want to, and that's inevitable really given the size of it

I just tried to show two things.

1. The freemasons aren't necessarily a harmless old boys club. This masonic gruoup were connected to some of the most outrageous crimes imaginable from child abuse rings to ritual murders.

2. That governments, can and have harmed and killed their own citizens to push a hidden agenda.

Brown Bomber

kryogen wrote: »

didnt we have the Freemasonry thread like 2 weeks ago or so?

fair play to you OP, i dont think i could be arsed copy pasting so much

a link might suffice next time eh? save yourself the time!

It didn't take so long, I was reading about it and some other avenue would spike my interest and I just took what I considered to be some important points as I went. I did it because I thought someone else might find it interesting as I had. Trying to positively contribute to the forum.

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I just tried to show two things.

1. The freemasons aren't necessarily a harmless old boys club. This masonic gruoup were connected to some of the most outrageous crimes imaginable from child abuse rings to ritual murders.

2. That governments, can and have harmed and killed their own citizens to push a hidden agenda.

to no. 1...

when any large groups of people, there will always be some bad apple that wish to do harm. but that is not to say all freemasons are like this or think like that.
For example, the Irish... ( i am irish by the way) there is a group within the group of Irish called the IRA, considered by most countries to be a terroist organisation... but that doesnt mean that the larger group that the IRA belong to, i.e. all of the irish are terroists or freedom fighters....


also about plagerism, since you raised the question are you implying that everything you wrote in the OT are all your own work and nor copied from anywhere....
if so i am very impressed

Brown Bomber

robtri wrote: »

to no. 1...

when any large groups of people, there will always be some bad apple that wish to do harm. but that is not to say all freemasons are like this or think like that.
For example, the Irish... ( i am irish by the way) there is a group within the group of Irish called the IRA, considered by most countries to be a terroist organisation... but that doesnt mean that the larger group that the IRA belong to, i.e. all of the irish are terroists or freedom fighters....

Yeah all dogs are animals but all animals aren't dogs, I know this. What I have tried to show is that a group of fascist masons are capable of, and the dangers of secret societies and elitist groups specifically in this case freemasons. I don't see the need to apologise for them.

robtri wrote: »

also about plagerism, since you raised the question are you implying that everything you wrote in the OT are all your own work and nor copied from anywhere....
if so i am very impressed

With respect, I don't think you understand plagiarism (don't think I can spell it either ). Everything that was taken from somewhere else was comprehensively sourced. It is a serious accusation and I hope the moderators would see it as such.

If OT = OP = Post 1 then yes that was from me. I imsgine you mean the first 5 or 6 posts or whatever it was. That was background information to give the reader a better understanding, if they wished to read it. It was fully linked, therfore not plagiarised.

studiorat

I think you may have a guilty conscience, I didn't accuse you of anything. :rolleyes: The same "facts" and arguments are being used elsewhere in articles called "Movers and Shakers in the Order of Malta", I simply noted that the points are being used in two different arguments.

IMO it's quite poorly cited, but hey, it's an internet forum whadda ya expect. Not a problem, there's a rough idea of the sources there. So not Plagarism but, content scraping.

Regarding them being Masonic; P2 had it's charter withdrawn in 1976. It operated in a pesudo-masonic way until 1981. That's to say the Masons threw them out in '76.

Silvio Berlusconi was a member at the time, as was was Victor Emmanuel member of the Savoy royal family. As were the heads of all three Italian Intellegence services. Thing is, the list found in 1981, presumabably contining the names of those in P2 came from Gelli's address book. Most of the people on the list didn't even know they were "Members". It's no suprise that members of Juan Peron's government were in the Lodge either. There were 900 odd names in all, bit big for a secret society IMO.

There's so much stuff there I can't take it all in in one go. Did Aldo Moro come up at all?

The connection between the oujia board, the tip off, Romano Prodi and the Red Brigades is a hoot.

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Yeah all dogs are animals but all animals aren't dogs, I know this. What I have tried to show is that a group of fascist masons are capable of, and the dangers of secret societies and elitist groups specifically in this case freemasons. I don't see the need to apologise for them.

agreed, like that quote about dogs, explains it much better than what I said...






With respect, I don't think you understand plagiarism (don't think I can spell it either ). Everything that was taken from somewhere else was comprehensively sourced. It is a serious accusation and I hope the moderators would see it as such.

If OT = OP = Post 1 then yes that was from me. I imsgine you mean the first 5 or 6 posts or whatever it was. That was background information to give the reader a better understanding, if they wished to read it. It was fully linked, therfore not plagiarised.[/QUOTE]

yeah we both cant spell
no just looking for clarity and you explained it. thanks

uprising2

Good thread Bomber, havent time or patience to go through it all now, but very informative and interesting to anybody who hasn't heard of propaganda due or their dealings.
And I don't for a minute think P2 went away.
The freemasons control everything here, there and everywhere and are not exempt from internal power struggles, scapegoating, just for anybody who says "but if he's a mason, how come x, y or z happened to him", the answer is cause the mason's allowed it to happen, were behind it and controlled it, anybody outside the masons could never do zilch to a mason publicly.

enno99

good read

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NuIeGy1bJA

Mahatma coat

hang on a mo, I think I can fix that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NuIeGy1bJA

enno99

Any body like to explain how put the video here

Mahatma coat

OK
Quick Tutorial

1)find youtube clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NuIeGy1bJA

2)extract 'identifier code' (theres probably a better term for it)
http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NuIeGy1bJA

3) 6NuIeGy1bJA

4) put this code into Youtube tags
[ youtube ] 6NuIeGy1bJA [ / youtube ] (without the spaces)

5) marvel at this wonderous technology that allows you to share your thoughts with the world :D

studiorat

uprising2 wrote: »

And I don't for a minute think P2 went away.
The freemasons control everything here, there and everywhere and are not exempt from internal power struggles, scapegoating, just for anybody who says "but if he's a mason, how come x, y or z happened to him", the answer is cause the mason's allowed it to happen, were behind it and controlled it, anybody outside the masons could never do zilch to a mason publicly.

/*Facepalm*/

In 1980, Gelli told a press interview that Freemasonry was a puppet show in which he pulled the strings. Italian Masonry was outraged by this, struck a masonic tribunal which in 1981 expelled him, and decided that P2 had been erased as a Lodge in 1974 and therefore any contrary action by a Grand Master had been illegal.

Darlughda

Well, the major problem I have with Freemasons is this boys only exclusive club, (yeah I know there are a couple of honorary exemptions), anyway, the other couple of problems I have are the believing in a god business, and not to be against the law of the land.

So, while I fully understand and sympathise with men's needs to get the hell away from the missus now and again, there is something so patriarchacal and conservative about this. Good old family values?:rolleyes:

Its not even about business decisions being made outwith the glass ceiling of the corporate boardroom, it really is just a chilling notion for me personally, that a group of influential auld farts can make decisions affecting the society that I live in, as a woman who does not fit in their social parmaters of a traditional family role.

Excluding Atheists? WTF? Hang on, I thought the the atheist movement derived from the Bavarian Illuminati of the 17th-18th century? Not to mention some of the greatest thinkers of our time.

And, if you can't go against the law of the land, what hope is there for whistleblowers who are not protected by current laws of their land?

Truthrevolution

This story seems to have gone un-noticed, maybe cause its a bit of a rambling but i thought it post it up anyhow.Italian Bishop Giacoma Babini is blaming zionists on the sex abuse scandals happening within the catholic church and the Vatican, but what most of the MSM sources are not telling you is what he actually said was that "Freemasons and Jews" were behind it all....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7095471.ece

humanji

Where does it say that Freemasons are involved? To be honest, it's not that hocking that their blaming everyone but themselves. Apparenty it's the gays fault now as well.

squod

A little off topic from the OP. Alive magazine and their take on the LeSoir article published in February. A fair bit of needle here.

At diferent times in the last few centuries Masons played a leading role in trying to destroy Christianity and particularly the Catholic Church, in various European countries......The project of the European Constitution was driven by a Freemason, Valery Giscard D'Etaing, who excluded all mention of the continents Christian roots.

Full article as a .jpg, http://img143.imageshack.us/i/alive410.jpg/



http://archives.lesoir.be/union-europeenne-l-influence-des-religions-jugee_t-20100217-00TE43.html?query=macons&firstHit=0&by=10&sort=datedesc&when=-1&queryor=macons&pos=0&all=609&nav=1

http://euobserver.com/843/29500

studiorat

squod wrote: »

A little off topic from the OP. Alive magazine and their take on the LeSoir article published in February. A fair bit of needle here.



Full article as a .jpg, http://img143.imageshack.us/i/alive410.jpg/



http://archives.lesoir.be/union-europeenne-l-influence-des-religions-jugee_t-20100217-00TE43.html?query=macons&firstHit=0&by=10&sort=datedesc&when=-1&queryor=macons&pos=0&all=609&nav=1

http://euobserver.com/843/29500

Alive?

That pillar of rational thought? You're joking right?

Alive is written by a bunch of freaks who have their own conspiracy agenda going on.

Truthrevolution

humanji wrote: »

Where does it say that Freemasons are involved? To be honest, it's not that hocking that their blaming everyone but themselves. Apparenty it's the gays fault now as well.

Thats my point, most media sources decided not to print the fact that he blamed zionist freemasons.It seems anytime a cardinal or a bishop says something about zionists or freemasons they edit it down to make them look like rambling crackpots.As you said yourself even gays got a mention somewhere

Truthrevolution

According to the star newspaper today evidence has come out in the trial of two men accused of conspiring to assasinate bolivian president Evo Morales of Freemason involvement in the assasination plot.Bolivian police have previously arrested and questioned Freemasons which they believe planned the botched hit.

uprising2

studiorat wrote: »

/*Facepalm*/

In 1980, Gelli told a press interview that Freemasonry was a puppet show in which he pulled the strings. Italian Masonry was outraged by this, struck a masonic tribunal which in 1981 expelled him, and decided that P2 had been erased as a Lodge in 1974 and therefore any contrary action by a Grand Master had been illegal.

Facepalm???, yea they really fukked poor Gelli up, how many years in prison was he sentenced to?, how many did he serve?, what bombings and murders was he implicated in?, what nobel prize was he nominated for in 1996, what did he say in a 2003 interview?, how much was he paid in 2007 for the rights of "conspirator", what italian paper does he write for regularly?
And what part of "not exempt from internal power struggles or scapegoating" did you not understand?, after all the collective filthy scheming scum couldn't really be considered non envious of their brethren, now could they?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licio_Gelli

I'm also partial to italian theatre and punch and judy shows, oh sì sono io, oh no, non la tua!

But as always freemasons are above law, that sh1t is for us. See 65 below.