The Monday Night Wars Mk II **may contain spoilers of most recent episode**

chopperbyrne

Thought we could have a thread were we could post the ratings each week, so we'd have a good reference guide to look back on in a year or two.

8th of March 2010 - Both shows aired live in the same two hour slot.

RAW - 3.6
Impact - 1.0

15th of March 2010 - RAW aired live, Impact was taped. Both in the same two hour slot.

RAW - 3.7
Impact - 0.8

D2D

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Thought we could have a thread were we could post the ratings each week, so we'd have a good reference guide to look back on in a year or two.

8th of March 2010 - Both shows aired live in the same two hour slot.

RAW - 3.6
Impact - 1.0

Nice idea,

Stupid question here but what does "Mk II" stand for in the thread title???

Headshot

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

Nice idea,

Stupid question here but what does "Mk II" stand for in the thread title???

Mark 2 ?

chopperbyrne

Headshot wrote: »

Mark 2 ?

Yep.

It's a common enough abbreviation.

D2D

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Yep.

It's a common enough abbreviation.

Cheers lads,:)

Main points of Raw 8/3: Build to HBK/Taker, HHH/Sheamus announced for Mania and Vince/Cena in a handicapped gauntlet match in the main event

Main points of iMPACT! 8/3: Sting returns as a heel, RVD is TNA's latest signing, Hogan/Abyss beat Flair/AJ in the main-event, Jeff Hardy run-in

gimmick

Ive just edited the title sligthly in case of spoilers etc.

Machismo Fan

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/45972/quick-ratings-report-.html?p=1

Raw 3.7.

Impact 0.8.

Considering the loaded Raw iMPACT! was up against, I don't think that's too bad.

D2D

Machismo Fan wrote: »

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/45972/quick-ratings-report-.html?p=1


Considering the loaded Raw iMPACT! was up against, I don't think that's too bad.

a 0.8 is a pretty good rating considering the fact that Stone Cold was guest GM of Raw and the fact iMPACT! wasn't live this week.

Mr.Nice Guy

Machismo Fan wrote: »

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/45972/quick-ratings-report-.html?p=1


Considering the loaded Raw iMPACT! was up against, I don't think that's too bad.

I think that's pretty worrying considering we're in the Wrestlemania build-up and the Raw after Mania tends to do very nicely. Will they break 1.0 in the forseeable future?

Machismo Fan

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I think that's pretty worrying considering we're in the Wrestlemania build-up and the Raw after Mania tends to do very nicely. Will they break 1.0 in the forseeable future?

Do they need to? As long as the network are appeased and they show long term positive signs, I think a .8 - 1.0 is decent for TNA at the moment. Some people seem to be playing it up as a complete disaster for TNA but I really doubt that they expected much better themselves. Now if they keep on slipping, that's a different story. I still think they should move to 8-10 immediately.

chopperbyrne

A 0.8 is a disastrous rating for them. They had one of the most popular wrestlers in the world in their main event and got their worst rating in months.

It shows that the move to Monday nights was a complete failure, as they did better on Thursdays and this is before they also have Monday Night Football to contend with.

It wouldn't surprise me if Spike moved them back to Thursdays before the next season of NFL even starts.

JP Liz V1

I cant see who else TNA can bring in to increase the ratings The Rock maybe

gimmick

Go live perhaps??

Mr.Nice Guy

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Do they need to? As long as the network are appeased and they show long term positive signs, I think a .8 - 1.0 is decent for TNA at the moment. Some people seem to be playing it up as a complete disaster for TNA but I really doubt that they expected much better themselves. Now if they keep on slipping, that's a different story. I still think they should move to 8-10 immediately.

I think they need to tbh. I'd agree with chopper that it makes their decision to move to Monday look disastrous. They did a 1.5 in January and now they're doing a 0.8 in March. The signs are all looking negative at the minute and I'd say there's a substantial risk they'll end up going down to doing around a 0.6 in the next few weeks.

chopperbyrne

gimmick wrote: »

Go live perhaps??

That brings costs up a lot and with ad revenue down, there's no way they can afford that.

Rjd2

Prowrestling.net

More in depth analysis of TNA Ratings..
The knockouts continue to outdraw everyone, while AJ and Jeff bomb, maybe if they had promoted that match?..

More in depth analysis of TNA Ratings..
Q1: 0.87 rating - A.J. Styles, Ric Flair, and Jeff Hardy promo, Eric Bischoff says he will shave Mick Foley's head

Q2: 0.85 rating - Team 3D and Brother Runt vs. The Nasty Boys and Jimmy Hart, Angelina Love promo, Kevin Nash challenges Scott Hall

Q3: 0.82 rating - Kurt Angle and The Pope vs. Mr. Anderson and Desmond Wolfe, Hulk Hogan speaks to Jeff Hardy, RVD, and Eric Bischoff

Q4: 0.96 rating - Angelina Love vs. Daffney, beginning of RVD beating up Sting

Q5: 0.93 rating - End of RVD and Sting brawl, Bischoff cuts promo on Hogan, Bischoff puts Hernandez in a handicap match against Beer Money with Jeff Jarrett as the special referee, Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash

Q6: 0.82 rating - Beer Money promo, Beer Money vs. Hernandez with Matt Morgan on commentary

Q7: 0.81 rating - Foley shaves Bischoff's head, MCMG promo, X Division brawl with Amazing Red ladder spot

Q8: 0.72 rating - Abyss promo, beginning of Styles vs. Hardy

Overrun: 0.74 rating - Conclusion of Styles vs. Hardy with Abyss putting Flair through the ramp

Twill's Two Cents: Ouch. The end of the first hour had a promising number, but it decreased from there and nearly fell off the cliff for the huge main event. A match that big should have been hyped better and TNA just threw it out there.

Vince135792003

They need to move the show back an hour. But even with that, I don't see TNA on Monday's lasting.

I did enjoy last week's TNA but it didn't give me a reason to keep watching and I don't really have a strong urge to watch the show whereas with Raw this week, I was really looking forward to it.

jaykhunter

I'd really recommend going 8-10 but TNA won't do that because it's a sign of weakness and not wanting to compete (although it would really benefit them) See going head to head is the best way to get exposure (i.e. steal WWE fans). Of course a sweet medium is to only go up against RAW for an hour but still keep your exposure.

They also need to keep the Thursday slot so they can really maximise on ratings per show. I reckon it'd take a very long time for RAW fans to choose iMPACT. Although I felt both this week and last week's iMPACT were better than RAW.

TNA should've really started going monday nights 8 days after WM...Right now (the build up to Mania & night afterwards) is traditionally WWE's strongest ratings.

Going head to head with WWE and *not* being demolished (i.e 0.4) is a great sign. It shows that around a million americans choose TNA over WWE. it is a really bad sign that TNA are dropping numbers...I guess we'll have to see over the next few months when TNA's ratings settle.

It's important to remember that TNA are in a greater position to get new fans than they were on Thursdays. Monday nights head-to-head is the best way to (try to) steal WWE fans; or get more fans to watch on Thursdays.

Going live for TNA would be a great plus; I reckon a higher proportion of the IWC watches iMPACT; and it adds to the spontenaiety of the show... although it's really expensive.

If anyone can politik Spike into going live every week, it's Hogan and Bischoff

Machismo Fan

jaykhunter wrote: »

If anyone can politik Spike into going live every week, it's Hogan and Bischoff

I still don't think that has anything to do with Spike but rather TNA maintaining the same taping schedule as they used to to cut costs.

Bounty Hunter

There is no monday night war tbh, people want there to be and therefore will talk it up but this is not a war its a side attraction.

Vince135792003

jaykhunter wrote: »

I'd really recommend going 8-10 but TNA won't do that because it's a sign of weakness and not wanting to compete (although it would really benefit them) See going head to head is the best way to get exposure (i.e. steal WWE fans). Of course a sweet medium is to only go up against RAW for an hour but still keep your exposure.

They also need to keep the Thursday slot so they can really maximise on ratings per show. I reckon it'd take a very long time for RAW fans to choose iMPACT. Although I felt both this week and last week's iMPACT were better than RAW.

TNA should've really started going monday nights 8 days after WM...Right now (the build up to Mania & night afterwards) is traditionally WWE's strongest ratings.

Going head to head with WWE and *not* being demolished (i.e 0.4) is a great sign. It shows that around a million americans choose TNA over WWE. it is a really bad sign that TNA are dropping numbers...I guess we'll have to see over the next few months when TNA's ratings settle.

It's important to remember that TNA are in a greater position to get new fans than they were on Thursdays. Monday nights head-to-head is the best way to (try to) steal WWE fans; or get more fans to watch on Thursdays.

Going live for TNA would be a great plus; I reckon a higher proportion of the IWC watches iMPACT; and it adds to the spontenaiety of the show... although it's really expensive.

If anyone can politik Spike into going live every week, it's Hogan and Bischoff

They gave away one of their biggest matches they could do, for free. They got a .73. That is a demolition to me.

They had Hogans first tv match for free in about 5 years. They had Ric Flairs first match for free on tv in about 2 years.They re-introduced RVD and Jeff Hardy (a WWE top 3 star of 2009). They didn't break a 1.0 due to a combination of terrible tv and piss poor promotion.

On January 4th, they peaked with nearly 3.4 million viewers. 2 weeks ago they averaged 1.5 million and this week they were down to 1.1 million.They have shot themselves again and again in the foot (people tuning in and not liking what they see, poor time slot decisions, not promoting when tv shows are on, not hyping who will be on their show etc....) They are being demolished and It's not down to the WWE doing anything very special. They are pretty much carrying on business as usual.

Just on moving back an hour being "a sign of weakness" which I disagree with because the vast majority of people who watch tv just want to watch a good show. They don't care about how each company looks.

But assuming we go with the "looking weak" line, by staying at this time slot they are looking stupid. And I'd rather look weak than stupid.

If this patterns continues, I don't see TNA on Monday's lasting very long.

jaykhunter

Vince135792003 wrote: »

They gave away one of their biggest matches they could do, for free. They got a .73. That is a demolition to me.

They had Hogans first tv match for free in about 5 years. They had Ric Flairs first match for free on tv in about 2 years. RVD and Jeff Hardy (a WWE top 3 star of 2009). They didn't break a 1.0 due to a combination of terrible tv and piss poor promotion.

On January 4th, they peak with nearly 3.4 million viewers. 2 weeks ago they averaged 1.5 million and this week they were down to 1.1 million. They are being demolished.

Just on moving back an hour being "a sign of weakness" which I disagree with because the vast majority of people who watch tv just want to watch a good show. They don't care about how each company looks.

But assuming we go with the "looking weak" line, by staying at this time slot they are looking stupid. And I'd rather look weak than stupid.

If this patterns continues, I don't see TNA on Monday's lasting very long.

I can't argue since I agree! A lot of mistakes have been made; which is sadenning. But at least last week's repeat also drew a 1.0 so that's still a good sign; the majority prefer WWE > TNA but a sizeable amount will check out TNA when not head-to-head.

Definitely seriously declining ratings but I think it's more to do with TNA failing to put on overall great shows than WWE trouncing them. I'll save the word 'demolition' for around 0.4.

I'm sure Bischoff and Hogan has warned Spike that they're unlikely to keep up a week-to-week 1.1 since the majority of TNA fans are also WWE fans. They'd mention that even WWF, who put on arguably a better show back in 97-99, took them 2 years to actually see it in the ratings on a regular basis.

I agree that 7-9 is a much smarter thing to do, i'm just saying what Hogan and TNA are thinking, and so very likely to *not* do what's smart. TNA are never about doing what's smart!!

As an aside, I hope Bischoff and Hogan don't break down the show into ratings segments and adjust the show every week to try change the shifts, instead of concentrating on putting on a cohesive, better show. Russo in particular is a huge stickler for knee-jerk reactions to ratings. I wonder what TNA will "bottom-out" on monday ratings with, and then build from there.

Next monday's RAW will be all talking and promos so we'll see if TNA can get back to 1.0. That said, I thought TNA's ratings would be around 0.5-0.7 in-general as RAW is WWE's main show and so fans of both would in general rather watch WWE.

This monday night thing is a long haul deal - unless they start getting 0.4 and lower they'll be staying put...at least until September or whenever their initial contract is up.

Rjd2

If TNA ratings don't improve, you know Hogan and Bischoff are just going to blame the young guys" for not been draws brotha~!" instead of the reasons that Vince outlined succinctly.

Vince135792003

jaykhunter wrote: »

This monday night thing is a long haul deal - unless they start getting 0.4 and lower they'll be staying put.

TNA might be stupid. Spike is not. They are not going to let TNA keep getting less than 1.0s from 9 to 11 on Mondays if they can get 1.0 to 1.2 on Thursdays.


If you don't call it a demolition what do you call a .73 for one of their biggest matches they could put on? They have loaded up their last 2 shows to an insane degree and their ratings are going backwards. I find it hard to find any positives.

They were getting 1.0s to 1.2s on Saturday nights at 11pm when Sting first debuted when he was the only "big" name they had.

Now they have every big name that's available. They have not grown but regressed in the space of 2 months when it looked like the company had hope of real growth.

jaykhunter

I'd call it an implosion! As i said i'll wait for circa 0.4 for a demolition. Lack of build (and a multitude of other probs already well documented) is the cause. I blame TNA sucking more than WWE crushing them, if you know what I mean.

It's like an 87-year old woman with ovarian cancer with secondary mets in the lung, liver and bowel. If she gets a flu and she dies, I wouldn't "blame" the flu. Probably not the best analogy but i'm studying atm lol

Look at how hard Spike has pushed TNA over the last 4 years; despite hovering at a constant 1.0 all the time. 1 hr Sat, 1 hr Thurs, 2 hrs Thurs, 2 hrs Thurs primetime, monday prime time - that's faith!!

Vince135792003

jaykhunter wrote: »

I'd call it an implosion! As i said i'll wait for circa 0.4 for a demolition. !

For you to say earlier that the fact they did not get demolished and not go below a .4 is a great sign is ridiculous.

You don't invest all the money TNA has in the last 6 months and you don't make the move to Mondays unless you think your rating will improve (not decline!) and given the success of January 4th, that was Spike's hope/expectation.

I bet Spike would be pretty close to a .4 in prime time if all they put up was a test pattern.

Plus your missing my point. Earlier I did say TNA have shot themselves in the foot more so than WWE doing anything out of the ordinary. By just putting on a pretty consistent show with a clear direction, the WWE are sailing along while TNA are being pummelled at that time slot.

Also I disagree with you saying that they should not analyse the ratings. I think they really should with the most glaringly obvious thing being that their woman have outdrawn their men for the guts of 2 years now.

So what does TNA do? They let Awesome Kong and Gail Kim slip through their fingers.

Rjd2

raw quarter hour breakdowns....

That Vince/Bret/ Austin segment done a monster figure:eek:


Q1: 3.9 rating - Steve Austin promo, Big Show vs. John Cena intros and first minute of the match

Q2: 3.73 rating - Cena vs. Show, Sheamus and Evan Bourne

Q3: 3.89 rating - Sheamus promo, Austin, Shawn Michaels, and Chris Jericho backstage, Maryse vs. Kelly with other Divas

Q4: 3.39 rating - Undertaker and HBK video, HBK vs. Jericho, multiple commercial breaks

Q5: 3.54 rating - HBK vs. Jericho continuation, Randy Orton interview, multiple breaks

Q6: 3.58 rating - Video, announcer recaps, Triple H vs. Orton

Q7: 3.57 rating - Hunter vs. Orton continuation with Legacy interference, Gorgeous George Hall of Fame induction, Batista and Kofi Kinston introductions

Q8: 3.69 rating - Batista vs. Kofi Kingston, Austin presides over Bret Hart and Vince McMahon contract signing

Overrun: 4.29 rating - Conclusion of Bret vs. McMahon contract signing.

Machismo Fan

TNA are airing an iMPACT! replay tomorrow on Spike.

Vince135792003

Spike keeping TNA's Thursday slot seat warm.

Super-Rush

TNA have to do three things before this is considered anything more than a minor skirmish.

1. Go live. It doesn't have to be of a Monday, Do it on Thursday. I(like a lot of people) will read the spoilers for a taped show and usually pick out the interesting bits to watch later. I'm waiting for Michael Cole to announce the TNA results on RAW any day now.

2. Leave the Impact zone. It reminds me of the early days of Nitro when the wrestlers walked through doors that wouldn't be out of place on Star Trek.

3. Bring back the old ring. That was TNA's hook. It was a good gimmick and gave TNA some identity.

paddyismaddy

there is no war this time wwe wins no contest :rolleyes:

Machismo Fan

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/46071/its-a-good-thing-they-changed-their-minds-tna-replay-and-superstars-ratings.html?p=1

Originally, TNA was not going to air a replay last night. Much like last week, it's a good thing that they did. After coming within .01 of a point last week, the 3/18 replay did a 0.84 rating, exactly what it did on Monday night. The show did 1,162,000 viewers. It seems pretty obvious that keeping the replay around is a good idea.

Everyone seems to be offering TNA advice in regards to this "War" Go back an hour, change the ring, leave the impact zone, go live, go back to thursdays altogether.
I think once TNA have the product they're delivering then their ratings will steadily rise. Let's remember that its the busiest time in the WWE's schedule and they draw their highest annual ratings around this time. For TNA to do in or around a 1.00 is an accomplishment. When 'Mania passes WWE tends to quiet down so more people will switch to TNA over time.
Basically TNA needs time and nothing else. Their ratings are at a slump while all of WWE's shows have gone up in the ratings. This is gutcheck time for TNA as they see how much Spike trust them.

Bubs101

I think the problem is the brand name. WCW was a well established name when it entered into the war. It wasn't seen as second rate let alone third or fourth as TNA is. They must change the name

waltersobchak

Deleted User wrote: »

Everyone seems to be offering TNA advice in regards to this "War" Go back an hour, change the ring, leave the impact zone, go live, go back to thursdays altogether.
I think once TNA have the product they're delivering then their ratings will steadily rise. Let's remember that its the busiest time in the WWE's schedule and they draw their highest annual ratings around this time. For TNA to do in or around a 1.00 is an accomplishment. When 'Mania passes WWE tends to quiet down so more people will switch to TNA over time.
Basically TNA needs time and nothing else. Their ratings are at a slump while all of WWE's shows have gone up in the ratings. This is gutcheck time for TNA as they see how much Spike trust them.

+1
I wonder what the rating will be next week when Pete Rose is the guest host, that will be such a big indicator for TNAs success in the future id imagine,But i think TNA has definitely had the better show for the last 2 weeks, so hopefully they'll continue to deliver good shows that people will eventually start watching more of especially after Wrestlemania season is over.. But showing the repeat on a Thurday is a cop-out and gives people and excuse to not "have" to tune in live on a Monday

waltersobchak

Bubs101 wrote: »

I think the problem is the brand name. WCW was a well established name when it entered into the war. It wasn't seen as second rate let alone third or fourth as TNA is. They must change the name

Thats total BS, WCW was only established as long as TNA is now, by 1995 when Nitro started, Jim Crockett promotions only became NWA then WCW in 1988 thats 7 years, about as long as TNA's been around

Vince135792003

waltersobchak wrote: »

Thats total BS, WCW was only established as long as TNA is now, by 1995 when Nitro started, Jim Crockett promotions only became NWA then WCW in 1988 thats 7 years, about as long as TNA's been around

Yes, but WCW was way more established in terms of how it's business was doing (tv ratings, ppv & house show business).

I do agree though. I don't think brand name is a big piece in the puzzle and while moving back an hour is an obvious first step, if TNA want to win long term they have to put on a more appealing consistent show.

Penn

Bubs101 wrote: »

I think the problem is the brand name. WCW was a well established name when it entered into the war. It wasn't seen as second rate let alone third or fourth as TNA is. They must change the name

But, surely changing the name means they'll have an even less well established name?

D2D

TNA iMPACT! scored a 0.86 rating last night.

The show was seen by 1.2 million viewers, up 10% from last week's taped episode.

The rating is up 2% from the previous week.

The demos were all up:

-- M18-49 did a 0.85, up +18%

-- M18-34 did a 0.86, up +37%

-- P18-49 did a 0.53, up +15%

Rjd2

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

TNA iMPACT! scored a 0.86 rating last night.

The show was seen by 1.2 million viewers, up 10% from last week's taped episode.

The rating is up 2% from the previous week.

The demos were all up:

-- M18-49 did a 0.85, up +18%

-- M18-34 did a 0.86, up +37%

-- P18-49 did a 0.53, up +15%

Raw didn't do well on their go home show

Early Raw numbers:

- WWE on USA averaged a 2.67 among the M18-49 demo (down -12% vs. last week), with a 2.35 in M18-34 (down -7%)

- 4.5 million viewers (down -19%).


-- We will have more numbers soon.

Machismo Fan

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/12748/

Raw 3.2

Impact 0.9

That's really not great for the WrestleMania go-home. TNA'll have to be happy with growth, small, but nonetheless growth.

jaykhunter

Machismo Fan wrote: »

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/12748/


That's really not great for the WrestleMania go-home. TNA'll have to be happy with growth, small, but nonetheless growth.

It's bad but not as bad when you count the replay (although no thursday repeat this week) ...then it averages at a 2.0, which is great. It means that more people are watching TNA...just half of them would rather watch RAW

Machismo Fan

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10010961.shtml

The first hour of the show did a 3.04 rating with 4,141,000 viewers, while the second hour earned a 3.44 rating with 4,869,000 viewers.

That first hour is absolutely terrible.

Machismo Fan

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/TNA/article10010962.shtml

Q1: 0.79 rating - Eric Bischoff guitar solo, Jeff Jarrett and Bischoff verbal exchange

Q2: 0.85 rating - Mick Foley and Jarrett backstage, Beautiful People and Daffney vs. Tara, Angelina Love, Taylor Wilde, and Sarita, Ric Flair and A.J. Styles arrive

Q3: 0.93 rating - Hulk Hogan and Abyss promo, Flair and Styles interrupt, Sting and D'Angelo Dinero get involved

Q4: 0.76 rating - Continuation of the previous angle, Rob Terry vs. Tomko, Jarrett and Foley promo, multiple commercial breaks

Q5: 0.85 rating - Jarrett vs. Foley with Beer Money as refs, Bischoff on commentary

Q6: 0.97 rating - Conclusion of Jarrett vs. Foley, Rob Van Dam and Jeff Hardy save, Foley says goodbye and roughs up Bubba The Love Sponge, Bischoff and Hogan backstage

Q7: 0.89 rating - Matt Morgan vs. Hernandez match and injury angle

Q8: 0.85 rating - Hernandez loaded into the ambulance, Hardy and RVD vs. Beer Money,

Overrun: 0.81 rating - Main event conclusion, Eric Young hypes next week's main event

Rjd2

Well Raw have an excuse, dodgy one but sure they all count!


Dancing with the Stars on ABC did a huge 15.6 rating and 25.1 million viewers for the 9-10 PM hour.

Vince135792003

There's no point in discussing the merits of a .8 versus a .9. Very little difference in them but hopefully it's the start of an upward trend for TNA.

They will probably get murdered next week though.

Machismo Fan

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=46189

SpikeTV's website for 4/5 is currently listing TNA Impact as airing 8-10 PM Eastern. No word on whether this is a one week deal or a permanent move, but if it's a permanent move, it can only help with the overall rating for the show. Stay tuned.

It's a move they really need to make.

jaykhunter

Monday's iMPACT was a really great show IMO. Best since Jan 4th. Stories all made sense and were very enjoyable. It deserved a better rating and it's a big shame they're not repeating it this week.