Teacher has kicked me from her class (college)

LegacyUser

Il put this bit of a back story in here which i think has something to do with it. two weeks ago i was talking to my year head and they asked me how i felt after going to some open days as we are finish up college in a few weeks, I decided since im out of here in a few weeks id tell the teacher my concerns since being there,I basicly told her that they arent teaching anything basic or above basic in most classes and gave example's, And talked about why over half our class never shows up in our final year most days 5 or less people show up out of 20ish students. She noted my concerns and then the following week called some people out of class and asked them about the course and they all basicly backed up what i had said and more.

Ok so im a bit shocked right now i was in college preparing my portfolio for interviews in class sorting out what to show and what not.I told her ive been putting together show reel's of my work and the work from other classes, All causal talk like and then she came up to me and asked a wierd question about action pose's to which i replied "Im not sure im just showing what XXX told me to" then she just replied "I ASKED ABOUT ACTION POSE'S" and stormed out of the room. Everyone in the class was like what the hell was that about.

Then me and some lads went for tea in the canteen, went back to class was still preparing my portfolio and the teacher start going on about how i should be working on my project for that class and not doing "life drawing stuff" (in a argumentative tone) , I said its not life drawing im sorting out everything for my interview its fairly soon and really important because there is only two other college's in Ireland that do this course and not even 10 place's between them so i have to have everything done and ready show reels etc.

So then she goes around looking at people's work gets near shove's her around kinda towards me and said something like are you not putting that away kinda aggressively. I was like im sorting it out , by this i meant putting it back in my portfolio like. Then she said something like "loose the attitude" and i said sorry but im not the one with the attitude today [insert name].

She then said rite outside i want to talk to you about this outside and i was all ok lets go then. Then she just starts ranting on about me not working on the stuff for that class and that i shouldnt be sorting my portfolio out in class etc. The project we had for it we were told we can work on it till the end of the year last but today she wanted it for monday, and ive got a short film to make so the thing was on my to do list after my interviews.

Then this turned into a wierd argument in the hall raised voice's of her telling me ive an attitude and said that this isnt about me wanting to sort out my portfolio this is about something else (im baffled). She then tells me i cant talk to you about this on my own wait here storms off to get another teacher but come's back alone tells me there's going to be a meeting and she doesnt want to see me in her classes till after it. Her classes are like 4 of the 5 we have and its most of the week.

I only have a few weeks left in college ive always been a distinction student always get my work done i have had issue's with the college over some thing's and made some complaints when i was in the first year. And now i feel like ive been kicked out because a personal vendetta of one of the teacher's i never said a bad word about this teacher that has kicked me out on any level.

Im shocked it literally just happened everyone in my class was gobbed smacked and im not sure what to do about it.This basicly means im kicked out of college.

ron_darrell

To be honest, devil's advocate and all that, the way you told the story there it did sound like you've a bit of an attitude. You may not agree with what she's teaching, or even how she's teaching it but that's not reason to be rude or disruptive which is how you came across.

What I would suggest is organising some sort of meeting (supervised by another teacher for both your and the teacher in questions benefit) to try and sort out what's happening.

I also wouldn't take from what she said that she's throwing you out of the class, only that she doesn't want any confrontation between you until a supervised meeting can be organised.

ziedth

Seems to me the fairly obvious answer would someone pulled her up on something over something you said.

My advice go make appointment with year head and tell him what you said here? Do you have student union? If you do get them involved.

LegacyUser

ron_darrell wrote: »

To be honest, devil's advocate and all that, the way you told the story there it did sound like you've a bit of an attitude. You may not agree with what she's teaching, or even how she's teaching it but that's not reason to be rude or disruptive which is how you came across.

What I would suggest is organising some sort of meeting (supervised by another teacher for both your and the teacher in questions benefit) to try and sort out what's happening.

I also wouldn't take from what she said that she's throwing you out of the class, only that she doesn't want any confrontation between you until a supervised meeting can be organised.

OP Here;

But i was just standing there putting stuff in plastic slips =s. I did give her attitude back tho im not denying that.I wasnt distracting the 4 other people in the room who were sat around chatting away and Im a grown man and i wont be spoken to in that way by anyone just because someone is your tutor doesnt mean they can talk to you like that.

I actually just got a phone call there now, she spoke with the year head and now her tone is completely different saying ah yea you can come in and sort your stuff out in class if you like i know you have a lot to organize ! and you can come in for classes....

my heads i just wrecked today now stressed enough going for these interviews without this crap.

And she we have a meeting next week with the year head i think it was.

Walls

1. Write down as clearly as you can what happened: start with the solitication of opinions and go from there.

2. Send this to the Head of School/any third party in authority over this teacher. Make sure, right now, that your point of view is put forward as politely and clearly as possible. Your teacher's opinion of you will be used to influence others, so get this done immediately.

3. Feel free to have a conversation with the student union rep as well.

4. If, as you say, the rest of the class were shocked, get them to write their views out and to send that in as well. The head of School will be seeking to find out what happened and if your story is backed up it can only help.

Danniboo

Op,

You're in your final year, you say you complained about stuff in First Year aswell. You sound like a trouble maker to be honest and that you think because you're "a grown man" that you don't have to treat your lecturers with respect. Where do you get this attitude from thinking you can swan around the college belittling the lecturers etc, you come across really arrogant.

ztoical

I have a fairly good idea based on what you've said as to which course your on and which teacher your dealing with and I'm afraid you've gone about voicing your issues with the course content the wrong way. It's a very ego filled industry, every year there are students with the same attitude and blow ups happen - every year with out fail. Not saying the tutors aren't totally blame less, def issues on both sides but if you want to get to the end of the course you'll need to sit down with them and the year head and sort something out.

tbh

Danniboo wrote: »

Op,

You're in your final year, you say you complained about stuff in First Year aswell. You sound like a trouble maker to be honest and that you think because you're "a grown man" that you don't have to treat your lecturers with respect. Where do you get this attitude from thinking you can swan around the college belittling the lecturers etc, you come across really arrogant.

just for balance, you don't sound arrogant at all to me OP. Probably what happened was that someone discussed the issues you raised with your teacher, she felt threatened and acted out. It's not a great reaction, but it's a human one. As things seem to have calmed down now, just keep your head down and try not to worry.

Victor

Danniboo wrote: »

Op,

You're in your final year, you say you complained about stuff in First Year aswell. You sound like a trouble maker to be honest and that you think because you're "a grown man" that you don't have to treat your lecturers with respect. Where do you get this attitude from thinking you can swan around the college belittling the lecturers etc, you come across really arrogant.

this may or may not be true, however PI is somewhere people come for help, you have not helped them.

misslt

Danniboo wrote: »

Op,

You're in your final year, you say you complained about stuff in First Year aswell. You sound like a trouble maker to be honest and that you think because you're "a grown man" that you don't have to treat your lecturers with respect. Where do you get this attitude from thinking you can swan around the college belittling the lecturers etc, you come across really arrogant.

Maybe I took something different from the op than you did, but it doesn't seem like that at all - if he feels his teacher is sub standard then he has every right to address it - it will affect the rest of his life.

Op, as has been said before, write down all the points you want to make, why you feel you've been mistreated etc - keep your head, and don't lose your temper (not saying you're likely to, just in case )

LegacyUser

OP <-

Thanks for the reply's.

I dont go swanning around trying to tell it like it is by any strech of the mark i get along with all the teacher's i just expect someone in the position of teaching to actually know what they are doing and that just isnt the case with some of them. But thats another story im finished shortly my year head asked me what i thought i gave her my opinion on what i feel like after being in this place i wasn't bad mouthing the teacher's (personaly) i was saying what we get taught it doesnt take a (example)whole year bounce a ball in 3d max and so did other after wards the class moral is in the grave.

Im far from arogant or a trouble maker it may sound like that but you would just have to take my word on the matter. The only i reason i brought it up in the first place was that im done soon i feel bad for the people in first year knowing there going to end up like us demoralized and in a panic, i saw it with the people in the year above me the last two year's but was dumb enough to beleave in the ohh no no we do this we do that next year etc etc despite what the people in the years above said, why beause i always push myself and did my own work.

But anyway thanks for the replies im going to ring the year head in the morning to talk about what happened. And see what come's of it.

Right now i feel like not going back hopefully ive done enough to pass the year if i have im done and im just going to see how my interviews go and maybe try go back a year try learn stuff ive missed out on.

Danniboo

Victor wrote: »

this may or may not be true, however PI is somewhere people come for help, you have not helped them.

Helping people doesn't necessarily mean telling them what they want to hear. I gave my opinion, the OP said he'd made complaints about his tutors in 1st year, and then a few days before he's due to finish up he decides he'll complain aswell. He talks about being smart and back answering people sorry but I think that sounds arrogant.

Danniboo

109392op wrote: »

OP <-

Thanks for the reply's.

I dont go swanning around trying to tell it like it is by any strech of the mark i get along with all the teacher's i just expect someone in the position of teaching to actually know what they are doing and that just isnt the case with some of them. But thats another story im finished shortly my year head asked me what i thought i gave her my opinion on what i feel like after being in this place i wasn't bad mouthing the teacher's (personaly) i was saying what we get taught it doesnt take a (example)whole year bounce a ball in 3d max and so did other after wards the class moral is in the grave.

Im far from arogant or a trouble maker it may sound like that but you would just have to take my word on the matter. The only i reason i brought it up in the first place was that im done soon i feel bad for the people in first year knowing there going to end up like us demoralized and in a panic, i saw it with the people in the year above me the last two year's but was dumb enough to beleave in the ohh no no we do this we do that next year etc etc despite what the people in the years above said, why beause i always push myself and did my own work.

But anyway thanks for the replies im going to ring the year head in the morning to talk about what happened. And see what come's of it.

Right now i feel like not going back hopefully ive done enough to pass the year if i have im done and im just going to see how my interviews go and maybe try go back a year try learn stuff ive missed out on.

That's fair enough OP but why the complaining in 1st year surely when you've only got your foot in the door you're not really in a position to say oh you should be teaching me this you should be teaching me that.

ztoical

109392op wrote: »

i was saying what we get taught it doesnt take a (example)whole year bounce a ball in 3d max and so did other after wards the class moral is in the grave.

It's kinda funny that every year, without fail, someone comes along and says this and thinks they know better. Come back after working in the industry for awhile and see what you think. The principles of animation are there for a reason and there is reason why the course spends so long going over and over to them...can feel very boring and pointless but it's the very core of animation. The tutors could prob make that clearer but then there is a reason they are called the principles - you spend ages animating bouncing balls and drawing boxes in perspective cus if you can do that really well you can animate anything.

kjl

TBH, and don't take this personally but even your way of describing the event was poor, and very hard to follow, but from the jist of it I gather that you were working on something during class time, the lecture of this class asked you to stop working on this, you didn't and gave a smart answer when she asked you about it. Sounds to me like you need to do a little apologising yourself. Even if you think you are in the right you need to be the bigger man and apologies for getting aggressive and not following her order immediately.

If you show a little respect and dignity she will have no problems letting you back in class.

A little advice for you, don't burn bridges with people can help you in your career.