pacquiao clottey rigged

digme

Thoughts?

Vanbis

digme wrote: »

Thoughts?

What are your thoughts?

I personally think its a rubbish statement.

cowzerp

That my friend is ridonculis!

definitely not rigged

walshb

You post this thread with no thoughts of your own? This thread is hanging by a thread!:)

digme

Seems this performance generated a lot of curiosity in the boxing community.
I don't think it was rigged at all but, a lot of people are talking about this on various forums around the net.

sweetswing

its true the aliens that shot JFK rigged it

wobblyknees

digme wrote: »

Seems this performance generated a lot of curiosity in the boxing community.
I don't think it was rigged at all but, a lot of people are talking about this on various forums around the net.

Any links, quotes, theories of your own?

joepenguin

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=26030

Arum says of Foreman beats cotto then clottey can fight him after that. With Clotteys performance and the fact that these are all top rank fighters and boxing has a history of rigging fights etc its not too far fetched to think that a boxing promoter might have a quiet word with Clottey offering him a world title match / revenge match with Cotto if he doesnt go too hard on wee pacman.

He did have a very high connection rate and threw very little. Also he didnt go all out for the ko when he knew he hadnt won a round.

walshb

joepenguin wrote: »

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=26030

Arum says of Foreman beats cotto then clottey can fight him after that. With Clotteys performance and the fact that these are all top rank fighters and boxing has a history of rigging fights etc its not too far fetched to think that a boxing promoter might have a quiet word with Clottey offering him a world title match / revenge match with Cotto if he doesnt go too hard on wee pacman.

He did have a very high connection rate and threw very little. Also he didnt go all out for the ko when he knew he hadnt won a round.

But, he did throw some whoppers that whisked by Manny, and some that landed. He sure was risking "accidentally" knocking out the smaller man...

colly10

A win against pacquaio would be worth far more to him than the deal your suggesting. Clottey is a noone in terms of name, beating pacquaio would make him a household name.
Many felt he had beaten Cotto and I think he broke his hand against AM so a win here would have made him one of the main men to fight.
Now clottey is just someone with a few losses on his record that was destroyed by a small talented fighter

MR E NIGMA

digme wrote: »

Thoughts?

clottley came for his pay cheque , didnt even try an win it as far as i could see

richierichballs

Well the owner of the dallas stadium doubled his wage for that fight,
Clottey was informed of this prior to the fight....
And also I've read rumours online that a member of his camp put a large amount of money on that he would go the distance with Manny......
Seems sketchy to me

walshb

Sorry, but anyone giving credence to this is nuts. Any one of those haymakers Clottey threw could easily have landed and spelt disaster; Manny avoided them and took them. Manny tried his balls off to get Clottey out of there.

To rig a boxing match, you go down, quit or feign injury, you do not do what Pac and Clottey did; it is far too risky on both sides.
There was serious intent on both mens shots.

Hell, it could be well argued that Clottey landed the better quality shots.
He nailed Pac clean every so often. Pac simplt threw so much more and landed more,
but many were not so clean, as Clottey was so defensive

Richie, I know you aren't Manny's bighgest fan, but this is takin' it a bit far.
Ah well, at least we will know your excuse when Manny destroys Floyd..

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Sorry, but anyone giving credence to this is nuts. Any one of those haymakers Clottey threw could easily have landed and spelt disaster; Manny avoided them and took them. Manny tried his balls off to get Clottey out of there.

To rig a boxing match, you go down, quit or feign injury, you do not do what Pac and Clottey did; it is far too risky on both sides.
There was serious intent on both mens shots.

Hell, it could be well argued that Clottey landed the better quality shots.
He nailed Pac clean every so often. Pac simplt threw so much more and landed more,
but many were not so clean, as Clottey was so defensive

Richie, I know you aren't Manny's bighgest fan, but this is takin' it a bit far.
Ah well, at least we will know your excuse when Manny destroys Floyd..

I'm a big Manny fan, I'm just telling you what I have read online and it 100% true that the owner of the stadium matched what Arum paid Clottey!
Now some could say that was so Clottey would go a little easier, So Manny could win therefore leading to the majority of the fans delight and also maybe bringing more Top rank events to the Stadium e.g. Cotto vs Foreman in June.......

As I said I am a big Manny fan, but no one who really knows anything about BOXING thinks Manny can beat Floyd

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

I'm a big Manny fan, I'm just telling you what I have read online and it 100% true that the owner of the stadium matched what Arum paid Clottey!
Now some could say that was so Clottey would go a little easier, So Manny could win therefore leading to the majority of the fans delight and also maybe bringing more Top rank events to the Stadium e.g. Cotto vs Foreman in June.......

As I said I am a big Manny fan, but no one who really knows anything about BOXING thinks Manny can beat Floyd

And I am saying that anyone who really believes this is nuts, not those who read it.

So, please point out all those who know about boxing that think Manny cannot beat Floyd?

What about some of the knowledgeable poster here?

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

And I am saying that anyone who really believes this is nuts, not those who read it.

So, please point out all those who know about boxing that think Manny cannot beat Floyd?

What about some of the knowledgeable poster here?

A SKILLED BOXER beats a hard hitting FIGHTER anyday,
Manny is skillful but not on Mayweathers league,
If you chase Floyd your gonna get hurt, You can't go out looking to KO Mayweather like Manny has said in previous interviews,
You have to be patient

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

A SKILLED BOXER beats a hard hitting FIGHTER anyday,

Does Amir Khan know about this formula? Bernard Dunne? Herol Graham? Terry Norris? Lennox Lewis?

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Does Amir Khan know about this formula? Bernard Dunne? Herol Graham? Terry Norris? Lennox Lewis?

Amir Khan? You joking me? He's a good boxer, but not on Mayweathers level, Amir is over rated.
Amir is not world class by any means

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

Amir Khan? You joking me? He's a good boxer, but not on Mayweathers level, Amir is over rated.
Amir is not world class by any means

Oh, so now it's narrowed down to Floyd Mayweather, and not just ANY
good boxer.... I get you.

BTW, Khan is a tremendous boxer, skilled as hell. His amateur pedigree backs this up 100 percent and his skill inside the ring is extremely impressive...

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Oh, so now it's narrowed down to Floyd Mayweather, and not just ANY
good boxer.... I get you.

BTW, Khan is a tremendous boxer, skilled as hell. His amateur pedigree backs this up 100 percent and his skill inside the ring is extremely impressive...

There are boxers and there a Floyd Mayweather it is the reason, he has the status he has today, The man is genius.....

Khan is a good boxer, extremely skilled and BUT his chin is glass and defense his exactly amazing either, He will get Ko'd again soon,
Why you think he is ducking Madiana and fighting Feather fisted Malignaggi?
Cause Roach knows his chin is weak as ****

colly10

richierichballs wrote: »

And also I've read rumours online that a member of his camp put a large amount of money on that he would go the distance with Manny......
Seems sketchy to me

Fighter than has never been stopped doesn't get stopped by much smaller fighter, absolute shocker. All clotteys fights go the distance unless he knocks the other guy out

richierichballs

colly10 wrote: »

Fighter than has never been stopped doesn't get stopped by much smaller fighter, absolute shocker. All clotteys fights go the distance unless he knocks the other guy out

Don't shot the messenger son :P

colly10

richierichballs wrote: »

Don't shot the messenger son :P

You wouldn't have mentioned if unless -

1. You agree
or
2. You here as the boxing forums equivalent of bill o herlihy that throws a few opinions out there to spark interesting debate

walshb wrote: »

Richie, I know you aren't Manny's bighgest fan, but this is takin' it a bit far.

This is exactly it, everyone has different opinions but many of yours (richierichballs) are so extreme (don't mean that in an offensive way). They may have mentioned it on the likes of boxingscene but thats why I rarely bother with the place. I prefer to avoid the arguments between the so called "flomos" and "pactards". Even you know the fight wasn't fixed, there are many reasons but it's not worth getting in to them cause its a waste of time arguing against ott ****. I have no more to say on this

richierichballs wrote: »

I'm a big Manny fan.....

Lol, thats a new one, is that you Bill?

me-skywalker

First time poster so you might not value my opinion but i watch all the big fights havnet missed one in about 5years.

2 points previously mentioned...

1 - If Clottey had of beaten the Pacman then his name and stock would have risen 100 times that and he would have made bigger paydays in the future, not to mention the deals with sponsorship and events.

2 - As walshb said Clottey through 3 or 4 huge punches that were it not for the Pacmans quick movement would have landed and given Manny some serious questions to see if he could take a a punch like that.


Also to retort with 'dont shoot the messenger' is pointless. You wanted to raise the debate here and now and you have. Give some valid points based on what yo saw in the ring not on him getting his pay packet buffed!


EDIT: I personally think Mayweather would beat the Pacman. Wear him down, let Manny throw all his flurries adn tire him while also trying to cathc him a few big ones then maybe the 7th or 8th catch him with his own flurries.

kryogen

questioning this fights legitimacy is beyond retarded imho

and also to one poster here, dismissing Pacs chances against Mayweather so readily is also foolish

it is an excellent match up, i have now seen that Pac can go the distance against a proper tough welterweight, i am not convinced Mayweather can avoid the pressure for 12 rounds and I wouldnt read too much into the high hit % against Pac, it got to the stage where he just stood still in front of Clottey cause Clottey wasnt moving

i cannot wait to see the Pacman/Mayweather fight

will answer alot of questions once and for all

(cept if Pac wins cause it will surely be rigged then i suppose)

rich1874

Now some could say that was so Clottey would go a little easier, So Manny could win therefore leading to the majority of the fans delight and also maybe bringing more Top rank events to the Stadium e.g. Cotto vs Foreman in June.......

How would a blowout like we saw raise the profile of the stadium? And i don't even think the quality or excitement of previous fights at a venue would come into consideration when selecting a venue. I reckon the people were falling off the edges of there seat with boredom. So to suggest Clottey was paid to go easy so as to keep the fans happy seems extremely unlikely. I don't think there would have been too many crying eyes if Clottey had of knocked Manny out of his boots, not that he would have anyway. And anyway, imagine the consequences if it was discovered the fight was rigged? It would be too a big a risk to even entertain the idea.
What we saw was simply a slow big fighter being taken apart by a smaller quicker one, no need for conspiracy theories.

walshb

[QUOTE=me-skywalker;64928360
EDIT: I personally think Mayweather would beat the Pacman. Wear him down, let Manny throw all his flurries adn tire him while also trying to cathc him a few big ones then maybe the 7th or 8th catch him with his own flurries.[/QUOTE]

Nothing from Manny's past two fights suggest to me that he may tire at rds 7 or 8, or even 9 or 10 or 11 or 12. If anything, Manny's stamina is better now than ever. His ability to take a whack and shake it off is pretty impressive too. To wear a guy down you gotta' be nailing him hard and often. Floyd is more a pot shotter', who I think will be more relying on defense and safety first than all out attack.

aleybert

richierichballs wrote: »

As I said I am a big Manny fan, but no one who really knows anything about BOXING thinks Manny can beat Floyd

Funny. Then why is Manny ranked no.1 best pound for pound fighter today in most publications/web/TV shows and Floyd at no.2?

nacho libre

As i said in another thread when a past it DLH gave Mayweather problems for the first half of their bout, until he faded, then a guy like Pacman with his superb stamina and workrate is going to cause him major problems. Also another factor is that Pacman has a great chin so Mayweather isn't going to be able to supress his offense. I'm more convinced than ever that Pacman is going to stop Mayweather if they meet.

me-skywalker

walshb wrote: »

Nothing from Manny's past two fights suggest to me that he may tire at rds 7 or 8, or even 9 or 10 or 11 or 12. If anything, Manny's stamina is better now than ever. His ability to take a whack and shake it off is pretty impressive too. To wear a guy down you gotta' be nailing him hard and often. Floyd is more a pot shotter', who I think will be more relying on defense and safety first than all out attack.

thats true but its gotta be a question if he is worked harder. hatton and clottey never 'worked him' made him be on the defensive get him runnign around the rign taking a few punches here and there, your 'potshots' as you say.

it would be one hell of a fight. the strategies each boxer take would be the fundamental reason one would outcome the other. But i think Floyd has a greater variety of stragegies to rely on than Pacman. he can do the defense, the runner, the attacking.. while Pacman hasn't had a huge defensive fight in years. Whatever nobody could accurately call it. Would be THE fight of the decade.

sweetswing

when is the last time mayweather was the attacking fighter?
he runs and sharp shoots, his reflexes are cat like, his defence is unrivaled in the boxing world .
if he presses the fight with pac he will be beaten well ,he will run and run and run some more,and thats what he will have to do .
no body has made pac take a backward step in a long time, and it will in no shape or form be mayweather that does .

strobe

sweetswing wrote: »

when is the last time mayweather was the attacking fighter?
he runs and sharp shoots, his reflexes are cat like, his defence is unrivaled in the boxing world .
if he presses the fight with pac he will be beaten well ,he will run and run and run some more,and thats what he will have to do .
no body has made pac take a backward step in a long time, and it will in no shape or form be mayweather that does .

and that is what Clottey knew and why the fight went the way it did. Clottey wraped himself in a shell and fired when he saw an opportunity. Some people are coming out with this fix rubbish because of Clottey doing this, but if he had of come out firing everything he had then he would have been leaving himself open far more often obviously. When you leave yourself open against Pacquiao you get knocked out.

Clottey is one of the toughest guys out there but he's not stupid and while everyone goes into every fight hoping they can win, I think he decided early on that his best chance was to cover up completely and hope to rock Pac with a lone big shot or two, then come on strong in the later rounds, if he hurt him. He landed a couple of big ones, but didn't hurt him and everytime he did Pac fired back 3 or 4 big ones of his own and Joshua said to himself "well that didn't work out but at least I can take him to the cards, better then getting put down properly for the first time in my career, he forced DLH to quit, he dropped Hatton and rocked Cotto before stopping him, no ones gonna be able to say he stopped J.Clottey".

Raffo

strobe wrote: »

and that is what Clottey knew and why the fight went the way it did. Clottey wraped himself in a shell and fired when he saw an opportunity. Some people are coming out with this fix rubbish because of Clottey doing this, but if he had of come out firing everything he had then he would have been leaving himself open far more often obviously. When you leave yourself open against Pacquiao you get knocked out.

Clottey is one of the toughest guys out there but he's not stupid and while everyone goes into every fight hoping they can win, I think he decided early on that his best chance was to cover up completely and hope to rock Pac with a lone big shot or two, then come on strong in the later rounds, if he hurt him. He landed a couple of big ones, but didn't hurt him and everytime he did Pac fired back 3 or 4 big ones of his own and Joshua said to himself "well that didn't work out but at least I can take
him to the cards, better then getting put down properly for the first time in my career, he forced DLH to quit, he dropped Hatton and rocked Cotto before stopping him, no ones gonna be able to say he stopped J.Clottey".

The fight went the way it because clottey is a slow fighter who has to adjust his feet and look over his defense before he even throws, pac is stupid enough to sit in the pocket and let that happen. hand picked fight tbh i didnt even stay upto watch it because i knew it would be a landslide... i caught the repeats!

oh and the arguement about DLH Hatton and cotto?
All broken fighters! DLH was weight drained and practically dead at 147, hatton was never the same after FMM loss and the same goes for cotto after losing to margarito and his plaster wraps!