Cork vs. Dublin NFL

Orizio

Saturday night, in Pairc ui Rinn, will be there, not really looking forward to it as Dublin seem to have succumbed to '12 men behind the ball at all times' puke football.

LeoB

No they have'nt, dont mind the ****e you read in the paper. It aint pretty by times but from the bit I have seen there is a lot of short passing and then a good foot pass about 40-50 meters and a score. Loads of hard work involved in this but they are playing some nice football. Nothing like the puke stuff you refer to

However I suspect it wont be enough to hold Cork?? Cork by 6 or 7 points

Orizio

I've seen them play, they do seem to be putting more bodies back then usual. Maybe I'm mistaken.

dcr22B

We're a work in progress at the moment and Saturday night will be a big test for us, Cork's advantage over other teams who have played against us thus far is their ability to kick long range points which may negate against the tight defending that we have employed so far.

However, given the fact that Cork are shipping big scores (an average of 18 points conceded per game) and leaving biggish gaps in their defence means that if we can break quickly from defence, we could put the home team under pressure.

That said, I feel that Cork will be too strong for us as we're still only learning a new style of play and given the state of the pitch in Pairc Ui Rinn (Pairc Ui Chaoimh was no better) and how we struggled in Castlebar on a similar substandard pitch, I can't see us coming away from the match with two points but we could potentially (given the amount of luck we've had thus far) sneak a draw.

dcr22B

Orizio wrote: »

puke football.

Leave that kind of whinging to Spillane

LeoB

Orizio wrote: »

I've seen them play, they do seem to be putting more bodies back then usual. Maybe I'm mistaken.

Think its more a change in style than packed defense, not a lot of difference but there appears to be way more pressure applied to opposition forwards, and I dont think anyone can argue with our need to do that.

ShamoBuc

Most people will believe Cork will win this one. Dublin are not as good as Cork are - I think this is a fair comment. However , as has been posted already, Cork are leaving teams score quite easily at the moment. The fact that Cork are scoring heavily themselves has been clouding this fact somewhat, but the Tyrone game I'm sure will have CC fuming at the defence. As a result of this, I expect a better performance from the defence, coupled with the forwards doing what they are good at, I think Cork will win by 7-9pts. I hope the state of the pitch does not play as much of a part in the match as it clearly did in the hurling yesterday!

dcr22B

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I think Cork will win by 7-9pts. I hope the state of the pitch does not play as much of a part in the match as it clearly did in the hurling yesterday!

As I stated above, same city, different pitches but both of them are truly shocking!

Can't see Cork winning by that much, our "blanket defence" will hopefully not be exposed that much and you're missing Colm O'Neill, Donnacha O'Connor while we will have Alan Brogan, Barry Cahill and Bryan Cullen back in our squad.

MementoMori

LeoB wrote: »

No they have'nt, dont mind the ****e you read in the paper. It aint pretty by times but from the bit I have seen there is a lot of short passing and then a good foot pass about 40-50 meters and a score. Loads of hard work involved in this but they are playing some nice football. Nothing like the puke stuff you refer to

However I suspect it wont be enough to hold Cork?? Cork by 6 or 7 points

Orizio wrote: »

I've seen them play, they do seem to be putting more bodies back then usual. Maybe I'm mistaken.

LeoB wrote: »

Think its more a change in style than packed defense, not a lot of difference but there appears to be way more pressure applied to opposition forwards, and I dont think anyone can argue with our need to do that.

To call it "puke football" is harsh but Dublin definately pulling a lot of players very deep when they don't have possession and congesting the third of the field near their own goal. It does mean that there is a lot more room for the Dublin full-forward line to operate when long quick ball is played out of defence.

However after last week's defensive shambles on the goal front, I can see Cork's focus in this game being on trying to stop goals so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a case of the half-back line sitting back a fair bit to offer protection to the full back line.

This could mean that we could see 6 Cork forwards against 9 Dublin defenders and then 3 Dublin forwards against 6 Cork backs for long periods (not sayign it's going to be as rigid as this but would expect the emphasis to be on defence by both sides) If Dublin get goals could see things going their way but if they don't I think Cork's better ability to kick scores from distance could see them edge it. Don't expect it to be a great spectale and would expect it be low enough on the scoring front.

Pride Fighter

Dublin to lose by 2 to a very good Cork side.

blackbelt

Its very hard to see how this one could pan out.As noted,Cork have this amazing ability to shoot points from far out but can they do it consistently?They are shipping big scores against opposition good and bad.Meanwhile Dublin are playing a nice defensive-counter attacking game and cleverly passing the ball to get into scoring positions.

I don't think Dublin are going to go through this league without losing one match and this game against Cork would surely be the biggest threat to our unbeaten run.Its almost invariable that Dublin will have a blip.

A lot depends on Cluxtons distribution and picking out the right player in space.As with the Derry and Monaghan games,we have seen Cluxton using good variation on his kickouts.I am happy that Cian O Sullivan,Ross O Carroll,Paul Conlon,Philly McMahon or James McCarthy can do a job on the Cork forwards.I can see Dublin having 2 half forwards trek back and leaving a 4 man full forward line.Its a risk but hopefully one that will pay off.The lads at the back have to really get stuck into Colm and Pearce O Neill from the off along with Kerrigan and Goulding.

I am very impressed with Alan Hubbard and Kevin McManoman.Hubbard hasn't gotten the praise or the accolades that say Bernard Brogan,McAulay or Fennell have been getting but he just keeps popping up with the ball between the wing back and wing forward position and making some nice passes into danger areas.He has an incredible tendency to supply Kev McManoman with the right quality ball.Bryan Cullen has serious competition here perhaps.

Fennell and McConnell are gelling well together and McConnell is playing very well so far this season.Quite possible that he is playing better as a result of having a strong Eamon Fennell and supporting McAulay in front of him but I notice he is scoring a bit more and from play.

Cork will have it hard in the defense with Bernard Brogan and Kev McManoman running into space.It will not be a good night in Cork if these two don't step up to the plate again this week.Fennell and McAulay are good for getting the points but otherwise we don't have many other score getters that can put up a big tally.

On the balance of it,I think Corks experience up front against a young Dublin defense coupled with home advantage and possibly an outof form David Henry (if he plays like he did against Monaghan) could just be enough for Cork to squeeze past us.I would be more confident about winning if this was in Parnell Park but we broke the hoodoo of Castlebar without playing well whatsoever.Cork have a more athletic and physical stance to the game than Mayo and without the knack of putting the ball wide like Mayo have done,I am a bit worried that Cork may make us ship a lot of scores.Its imperative that the right amount of ball is out into Bernard Brogan and McManoman.

This game will either be very tight or one sided I feel.

Pappy o' daniel

Cork are missing Colm o neil, Murphy and Donnacha o' connor aswell as the others who are injured. It will be good to see how strong corks panel really is.
With Cork so depleated Dublin could sneak it.

Luno

What time is this game starting at? Would love to go!

Orizio

M&S* wrote: »

What time is this game starting at? Would love to go!

7:30 I'd imagine. I'll be there as well, although I'd expect a pretty low scoring match.

Cork Team vs. Dublin

1. Paddy O'Shea St. Vincents
2. Ray Carey Clyda Rovers
3. Michael Shields St.Finbarr's
4. Eoin Cotter Douglas
5. Noel O'Leary Cill na Martra
6. Ger Spillane Ballygarvan
7. Eoin Cadogan Douglas
8. Alan O'Connor St. Colum's
9. Pearse O'Neill Aghada
10. Fintan Goold Macroom
11. Nicholas Murphy Carrigaline
12. Patrick Kelly Ballincollig
13. Daniel Goulding Eire Og
14. Paul Kerrigan Nemo Rangers
15. John Hayes Carbery Rangers

manster

Hope Dublin win.
I'd like to see another sell out crowd in Croker for a Kerry V Dublin league final. :pac:

dcr22B

DUBLIN (SF v Cork) - Michael Savage; Paul Conlon, Michael Fitzsimons, Philly MacMahon; Hugh Gill, Cian O’Sullivan, Ger Brennan; Eamonn Fennell, Ross McConnell; Alan Hubbard, Michael MacAuley, Paul Flynn; David Henry, Bernard Brogan, Kevin McManamon.

http://www.hill16.ie/viewstoryhill16.asp?id=12259&mainheading=Word+on+The+Hill&viewstory=yes

crebel81

manster wrote: »

Hope Dublin win.
I'd like to see another sell out crowd in Croker for a Kerry V Dublin league final. :pac:

What...so we can read article after article about those famous 70's classics...

No thanks kiddo

Jump

what w.e is the league final fixed for?

dcr22B

Jump wrote: »

what w.e is the league final fixed for?

April 25th

Yavvy

eh Dublin to win this one by a point or two. Think it will be a scrappy afair but the dubs to prevail, they seem to have a great scrappy nature to them at the moment and because of the few players Cork are missing and their requirement for space and time on the ball.

Wish I was there

MementoMori

FT Cork 2-13 Dublin 2-6

If these teams met in a league final Cork could possibly be unbackable favourites.

Dublin's plan of getting players deep and congesting their own half with players simply did not work overall. More worrying there did not appear to be any plan B and this made it an utter walk in the park for Cork in the second half. This lack of tactically awareness by the sideline has to be a worry. Sitting back and defending deep in numbers when you are 6 or 7 points behind with 15 mins to go is just laughably bad.

7 scores in the second half overall meant it was a massive damp squib (5 for Cork 2 scores for Dublin) and the game just meandered to a conclusion.

Cork's ability to get scores from distance was an important factor.

Even in spite of the ease of the result and a decent scoreline of 2-13 Cork managed to conceed another 2 goals, so Counihan will still have concerns about that.

eigrod

MementoMori wrote: »

FT Cork 2-13 Dublin 2-6

Even in spite of the ease of the result and a decent scoreline of 2-13 Cork managed to conceed another 2 goals, so Counihan will still have concerns about that.

That's a very pertinent point. Cork have leaked a lot of goals in this year's league (the most in the top division so far?) and that is a worry. Should have been comfortable winners over Tyrone but for the cheap goals conceded. Still, a good league campaign overall so far for Cork.

Pride Fighter

Bad loss for the Dubs but this is a good Cork side. We need to bounce back and win our next games, a league final would be a real boost for the panel.

Orizio

LeoB wrote: »

Nothing like the puke stuff you refer to

I see.

Yavvy

what do you see Orizio ?

Orizio

Yavvy wrote: »

what do you see Orizio ?

I see the reality that Dublin don't play 'puke 12 men behind the ball' football, as Leo told me during the week.

Royal Seahawk

Orizio wrote: »

Saturday night, in Pairc ui Rinn, will be there, not really looking forward to it as Dublin seem to have succumbed to '12 men behind the ball at all times' puke football.

Careful now.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055613036

ShamoBuc

Cork always seemed to be able to go up a gear. Dublin score a goal, Cork get the next 4 or 5 points. Cork never looked like they were going to lose , Dublin never looked like they could win. Cork again conceeded a few softish goals but yet again their ability to point from distance proved enough for them. Cork are really motoring well - apart from the concession of soft scores, were they to correct that..... who knows Cork V Kerry again in September?

Yavvy

its not puke football. or anything like it. if you define counter attacking football your simply not understanding the game and confusing the boring tatics of Armagh a few years back compared to the Dublin team of today is sillyness.

manster

SO are we allowed say 'puke football' now? I was thought the term was banned by 'Moaning Michael'.

Daysha

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

Careful now.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055613036

manster wrote: »

SO are we allowed say 'puke football' now? I was thought the term was banned by 'Moaning Michael'.

Blackbelt already showed in that thread he admitted to being a bit harsh in his originally banning and he dealt with it accordingly, which is more than what others may have done. Anyway I don't like the idea of posters dragging up threads of old mod decisions, each moderation has to be taken in its own merit and context. We can make mistakes too you know!

Some find it more derogatory more than others, but if I saw anything to suggest the term was being used solely as a method of trolling or flaming other posters, I'd have no hassle in doing something about it.

Orizio

Now now Daysha you know full well that everything I say is a (delightful) attempt at trolling/flaming...

Daysha

Orizio wrote: »

Now now Daysha you know full well that everything I say is a (delightful) attempt at trolling/flaming...

Ah yeah well I'm just immune to that at this stage

dcr22B

I'm hoping that Saturday night's result will be the "blessing in disguise" that Anthont Tohill made it out to be.

Wasn't at the game myself but by all accounts, we can't just sacrifice attack for the sake of keeping the score down (and still concede a cricket score of 2-13).

Fingers crossed, we'll see a different approach against Galway in Parnell Park this Saturday night as two points could give us a place in a league final as Cork and Mayo have still to play each other.