What did Nell say about Mary Listen here !

Darsad

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/ntddtntwvd--nell-mccafferty-talks-to-tom-dunne-about-mary-harney

Interesting why would she say it !

Annasopra

because she was drunk?

ei.sdraob

This clip has been removed at the request of the copyright holder

silverharp

its a rumour I heard a few months back from someone I know in the medical community but to be honest wasnt interested in knowing about it or how well ounded it was. It doesnt appear to just be the rantings of one person though.

hotmail.com

Here's the main part of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8lcAaCtbEs

Nevyn

ei.sdraob wrote: »

This clip has been removed at the request of the copyright holder

And requests are being made to have it deleted from twitter as well.

anymore

I am confused here. The op has a link that hasnt been removed, so can the contents be discussed or not ?

Nevyn

I don't see the politics mods saying it can't be, but the clip askes why the rumours are not mentioned, maybe cos they are rumours.

anymore

Thaedydal wrote: »

I don't see the politics mods saying it can't be, but the clip askes why the rumours are not mentioned, maybe cos they are rumours.

Thanks, I am sure many of us are reluctant to comment on this issue for fear saying the wrong thing.

Pot Noodle =

Some interesting comments on the youtube link about wetting herself in the pub and a €50 tip

mike65

Well as Newstalk have apologised not once but twice completely refuting everything McCafferty said I reckon people here should be very careful.

Dirk Gently

Nell mccafferty, why is her opinion ever sought on anything? I cringe every time she's wheeled out to "comment" on something.

Rebelheart

That's crap of McCafferty. It's just really bad form. I've no time for Mary Harney's politics - she's little more than an Irish version of Margaret Thatcher. I've never shared her vision of this society.

Despite this I think she is honest, or at least as honest as any "successful" (first elected in 1981 and has retained her seat at each election since) politician can be. The Minister for Health in this state will continue to hold a poisoned chalice for as long as the current system continues - this is a systemic problem first and foremost. When taxes are raised to create an equitable health system à la France or Canada, and when the proper financial accounting mechanisms are in place to trace every euro, we will be on to something.

1) Harney, with her vision, is possibly the last person in Irish society who could create a more equitable health system.

2) There's a great deal of hypocrisy in many complaints about the health system: are we all willing to pay more taxes to get a French-style system?


As for McCafferty, I used to think she was great craic and a radical voice. In the past few years I'm seeing her more and more as a bully in interviews: bitter rather than passionate; offensive rather than effective; hurtful rather than compassionate.

Dave Conway

I agree with this post from Rebelheart and I have long wondered why Mary Harney has kept this portfolio for so long; the old excuse of 'sure, who would want to take it on?' has long worn thin. Nevertheless she is entitled to be free of slander just like any other citizen. In the clip I heard, it did seem that Nell actually thought that she was off-air, whilst Tom obviously knew it was on-air, but that's another story.

I do wonder, and have for some time, wondered at the impression of honesty that Mary seems to have given over the years. I, like others, respect her achievements, such as ridding the Capital City of the health-impairing smog back in the 80's. I think she has managed to hang on to the 'honest' tag for a long time without due merit. How 'honest' can a person be when they champion, and oversee, a health system that delivers two levels of service. One is an instant quality 'hotel' like system, with immediate access to the highest level of care and equipment, whilst the other is one in which an 83yr old woman, suffering from severe stomach and intestinal pain, is forced to sit upright all night in A&E, before finally being upgraded to a trolley after a frightening 16 hours. When I visit my Aunt that morning, the place is chaos, staff are performing heroically and finally have to announce that all relatives have to leave because the situation has become intolerably over-crowded.

Just another day in A&E. Mary Harney knows that this is the way it is, yet continues to support a system that is inherently inequitable. Can this be described as honest?

Darsad

She is very well paid and protected pension wise bottom line is she was told about it and didnt bother to follow it up or make enquiries so in my opinion she is as liable as anyone directly involved and should be fired . After all outside of the HSE there is still 600 odd in the dept of health what do they do surely it should have been routine for a minister to do what James OReilly said he would have done

goat2

Pot wrote:

Some interesting comments on the youtube link about wetting herself in the pub and a €50 tip

neill show how low she can go, that was awful to say about m harney,
she may not be a good minister, but speaking like that about her is all wrong, hurtful, hateful, spiteful

Rebelheart

Newstalk is running away from this one quicker than the British garrison in Castlebar on 27 August 1798:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0314/breaking28.html?via=mr

Havermeyer

Rebelheart wrote: »

Newstalk is running away from this one quicker than the British garrison in Castlebar on 27 August 1798:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0314/breaking28.html?via=mr

I think the person who wrote that report must have been on the bottle too. Woeful piece of writing.

Dunne is a useless fecker anyway. He should have cut the stupid bint off as soon as she started her rant. McAndrew is a parasite, and shouldn't be given any air time on any radio station.

I'm no FF'er, but those comments were way over the top.

mikom

nummnutts wrote: »

McAndrew is a parasite, and shouldn't be given any air time on any radio station.

Who's McAndrew?

streaky

nummnutts wrote: »

I think the person who wrote that report must have been on the bottle too. Woeful piece of writing.

Quite obviously it's the sub who was pissed - the writing's fine, the subbing is abysmal.

nummnutts

nummnutts wrote: »

McAndrew is a parasite, and shouldn't be given any air time on any radio station.

Nell McAndrew:



Nell McCafferty

Dave!

The only story here is that Nell McCafferty hasn't said anything worthwhile for years

I also cringe when I see or hear her

Her opinions should not be sought after, they are ignorant and ill-researched at the best of times

OhNoYouDidn't

goat2 wrote: »

neill show how low she can go, that was awful to say about m harney,
she may not be a good minister, but speaking like that about her is all wrong, hurtful, hateful, spiteful

Like it or not, the allegations Nell made on air have been circulating for years and getting worse of late.

The bigger picture is Nell is asking is Mary Harney well enough for the job, and the answer appears to be a resounding no after a recent, very public incident.

I assume that is all I can say until the empty threat of a lawsuit is dropped.

dan_d

How could she not know she was on air?

There's a friggin great red "ON AIR" sign in a studio like that!! It's all lit up when you're "ON AIR"!!

JonathanAnon

dan_d wrote: »

How could she not know she was on air? There's a friggin great red "ON AIR" sign in a studio like that!! It's all lit up when you're "ON AIR"!!

yeah dan, I find it hard to believe that she didnt know she was on air. The private radio stations, in particular, are always looking for soundbytes for their news so that they can say "Nell McCafferty , speaking with Tom Dunne on our morning show". So she is no doubt fully aware of what she is saying the whole time she is at the studio. To say that she was unaware that she was on air is just disingenuous and dishonest.

I think there would be reams of anecdotal evidence of her "alcoholism" (similar to the anecdotal evidence of Sweary Mary's outbursts) if she were in fact an alcoholic.

the_dark_side

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

after a recent, very public incident.

is there a link to this please? I didnt hear about it

Darsad

Good pics Papa Smut uUnfortunately I only ever saw a pic / painting of our Nell Naked.

super_furry

Newstalk have withdrawn the comments and are in full damage limitation mode.

It's a tough one because on the one hand you have to respect someone's privacy regardless of their position, but you also have to consider their ability to perform a job of national importance and what outside factors that could be affecting that ability. That said, these are unsubtantiated rumours.

Darsad

super_furry wrote: »

It's a tough one because on the one hand you have to respect someone's privacy regardless of their position, but you also have to consider their ability to perform a job of national importance and what outside factors that could be affecting that ability. That said, these are unsubtantiated rumours.

Rumours that would/could be substantiated were a case to be taken from what I have heard recently post Nell's outburst the apology will surfice so read into that what you will , the talk of solicitors etc is just to try and put the frighteners on other media outlets to drop the story just look what Ms Leech got .

Sierra Oscar

Guys, this rumour has been knocking around the block for years now and the general consensus is that it is rubbish.

Apparently Haughey began circulating this rumour way back in 1985 when she defected to the PD's. That's a rumour in itself though.;)

anymore

Dave! wrote: »

The only story here is that Nell McCafferty hasn't said anything worthwhile for years

I also cringe when I see or hear her

Her opinions should not be sought after, they are ignorant and ill-researched at the best of times

Perhaps she should consider politics in that case ?

Sand

Seemed a pretty bitter and spiteful thing to try and spread rumours like that. I feel sorry for Nell tbh if thats her level.

I am always bemused by the hatred Harney draws down upon her. Theres not a single political figure out there who can evoke so much over the top bile and vileness from people who on the surface seem relatively normal.

Perhaps they seriously believe Harney should be signing off on every single little procedure? Should she be running all the phones? Driving all the ambulances?

Management failures are just that, management failures. Harneys role is to introduce and implement policy, not to manage every little thing.

The staff in question in the hospital who were responsible for ensuring controls and procedures around the particular scans are the ones who should be facing the sack, but given they are public sector employees, sacking them is next to impossible.

So, the likes of Nell, unable to do anything useful engage in some bitter rumourmongering. That someone like Nell McCafferty is supposed to be some sort of public figure with licence to comment on issues of the day shows how poor we are in that regard.

DrunkenMinister

It's more than management failures - many of the individual departments were working fine - not all of them, fair enough.
But the removal of resources was planned & orcehstrated in such a way as to disable the Service.
If the workload in such an inportant area was excessive for the staff involved, why was the situation not remedied ?
New consultants are to have clauses written into their contracts barring them from speaking to the media in a negative light about Harney/her successor or the HSE. What does that tell you ?

The undeniable truth of the situation is that Harney, and her predecessor Cowen, engineered a climate of fear of & distrust in the public Health service to push people into private care.
And - in this, at the very least, Nell was telling the truth - they've blood on their hands.

anymore

Page 24 of the Ir Indo is reporting that MZ Harney has begun libel action in the High Court against a national radio station.

mike65

Dunno but she is in court

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/harney-begins--libel-case-over--radio-claims-2101254.html

HEALTH Minister Mary Harney has begun libel action in the High Court against a national radio station.

The defamation case centres on claims made by journalist Nell McCafferty during an interview on Newstalk last week.

A spokesman for Ms Harney last night confirmed she had commenced the libel action.

The station has issued two apologies to the minister since last Thursday's broadcast, saying the comments were "untrue and were known to be without truth when they were broadcast".

"The interview should never have been broadcast and the fact that these allegations were made represents an abject failure on the part of Newstalk to meet basic standards of common decency," Newstalk said in a statement last week.

"Newstalk apologises without reservation to Mary Harney. Newstalk deeply regrets the fact that these allegations were made and accepts that these untruthful statements were deeply hurtful to Mary Harney and her family."

edit - Oops a bit late

Poly

"HEALTH Minister Mary Harney has begun libel action in the High Court against a national radio station."

but if it goes to court, will the defence solicitors not have to examine if there is any truth in Nell's rant?

This will only lead to more public speculation.

jennyjest

I suppose we can assume the X ray for her hand was read fairly promptly !
I wonder if she went to A & E ?

OhNoYouDidn't

Poly wrote: »

"HEALTH Minister Mary Harney has begun libel action in the High Court against a national radio station."

but if it goes to court, will the defence solicitors not have to examine if there is any truth in Nell's rant?

This will only lead to more public speculation.

That reason is why I don't think the case will get near court. Can you imagine a minister being grilled in the dock about her social habits?