Court case

Johnaldinioh

k basically i need help about me going to court. I got stopped in my car a few months ago and am due in court April. Got 6 summons for 1 stop they are as follows
Failure to produce insurance cert
No full licence driver with me in car when stopped
Failure to produce driving licence
no insurance
Driving without driving licence
Failure to produce licence within 10 days

K now i went into garda station after 8 days with my licence and insurance disk couldnt find my cert or get 1 in time so garda didnt take record of me coming in with my licence . I Had insurance when i got stopped and had disk up in car so dont understand why i needed to bring in cert. I thaught i had my licence in the car with me but could not find it.
So if anyone could give me advice on what to do or what could happen to me in court for this. Thanks all
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Gary ITR

Just be advised any advice you get her is purely speculative. If I was you I would speak to a solicitor

fonecrusher1

Just bring your driving licence with you when your driving k.

Cabaal

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Just bring your driving licence with you when your driving k.

Wouldn't really have made a different though

No full licence driver with me in car when stopped

So L driver, upto 1k fine for that alone even if he had his learner permit with him

Ash.J.Williams

Bring your License and insurance certificate to court (that were valid on the day in question)

Insurance cert means insurance cert....do not bring a disk or anything else.

All will probably be struck out, except the one you were guilty of...ie driving alone on a provisional.

mickdw

Having a disc up doesnt prove that you are insured, it could be someone elses car for example. That is why they sometimes ask to produce the cert.

From your list above, if you can show in court that you actually had insurance & a licence at the date you were caught, you should get out of numbers 4 & 5 as you have them listed.
The others are all of your own making so you will need to be very nice to the judge to try to get away as light as possible.
They have thrown everything at you there. Did you give the garda some abuse when stopped by any chance?

fonecrusher1

Cabaal wrote: »

Wouldn't really have made a different though

Yeah but he's only provoking a bad reaction by not even bothering to bring it with him. It makes a bad situation worse.

IMO & in my experience the gards are tolerant enough unless you really piss them off.

Ash.J.Williams

mickdw wrote: »

Having a disc up doesnt prove that you are insured, it could be someone elses car for example. That is why they sometimes ask to produce the cert.

From your list above, if you can show in court that you actually had insurance & a licence at the date you were caught, you should get out of numbers 4 & 5 as you have them listed.
The others are all of your own making so you will need to be very nice to the judge to try to get away as light as possible.
They have thrown everything at you there. Did you give the garda some abuse when stopped by any chance?

ah it's common enough, if you don't produce within 10 days each item is nearly tripled, so with nct, licence and insurance you would be looking at 10-12 charges.

Esel

Did you have K-plates on the car?

Johnaldinioh

esel wrote: »

Did you have K-plates on the car?

yes i did have L plates up on car nothing was said about them. I would say something if i was acting like an idiot racing or something but i was driving perfectly normally . Think was just because car was modded i was picked out

mickdw

Johnaldinioh wrote: »

yes i did have L plates up on car nothing was said about them. I would say something if i was acting like an idiot racing or something but i was driving perfectly normally . Think was just because car was modded i was picked out

Why drive around in something that draws attention to yourself when you are not fully compliant with the law. A full driving licence should be a priority when going on the road. Its also kinda foolish to misplace your insurance cert tbh.

Johnaldinioh

mickdw wrote: »

Why drive around in something that draws attention to yourself when you are not fully compliant with the law. A full driving licence should be a priority when going on the road. Its also kinda foolish to misplace your insurance cert tbh.

Well considering all the money i paying in taxes etc you think the guards could take the time to do their job properly . As far as i knew they apparently have all the latest technology and should be able to check on their computers if i have insurance or not.

DonJose

Johnaldinioh wrote: »

Got 6 summons for 1 stop they are as follows
Failure to produce insurance cert
No full licence driver with me in car when stopped
Failure to produce driving licence
no insurance
Driving without driving licence
Failure to produce licence within 10 days

The only thing you can hope to get off with is "no insurance" if you can produce it in court and "Failure to produce licence within 10 days" as you said you did produce it.

Johnaldinioh wrote: »

Well considering all the money i paying in taxes etc you think the guards could take the time to do their job properly . As far as i knew they apparently have all the latest technology and should be able to check on their computers if i have insurance or not.

Considering the new law is 2 years old you have nothing to complain about, you broke the law, take it like a man. You also had 10 days to produce your insurance cert, you could easily have looked harder or got a replacement cert in 10 days.

slimjimmc

Johnaldinioh wrote: »

Well considering all the money i paying in taxes etc you think the guards could take the time to do their job properly . As far as i knew they apparently have all the latest technology and should be able to check on their computers if i have insurance or not.

They detected an unaccompanied learner driver (offence#1) and asked you to produce Learner Permit on the the spot which you failed to do (offence#2) . They then asked you to produce insurance certificate within ten days which you failed to do (offence#3).
Sounds like they done their bit properly and you didn't.

The only latest technology the Gardaí have in use is ANPR, and unlike what you see on UK TV, there is no central insurance database for the Gardaí to access.

As for your penalties, I expect you'll get a rap on the knuckles and dismssal on no insurance/licence if you present your documents to the court. You'll probably get a few fines for the other offences, especially for driving unacompanied.

MagicSean

Look at the Garda name on the summons and see if you can talk to him and show him your stuff at the station. He might be happy enough with that. Otherwise bring everything to court. Did you notify insurance about your modifications? Did you have the noisy exhaust and pretty light mods?

antodeco

Failure to produce insurance cert - You never showed this, so it will stand
No full licence driver with me in car when stopped - You broke the law, so this will stand
Failure to produce driving licence - You did show this, but no record in the station
no insurance - As point 1
Driving without driving licence - Its the law to carry your licence, this will stand
Failure to produce licence within 10 days - As point 3

What sort of car do you drive OP? What modifications are done to it? All I can say is that regardless of what car you were driving, you were stopped legally and afforded the same chance as everyone else.

Ive been stopped by Gardai before and Ive always been nice and produced what they have asked me to. There is the exception that I dont carry my insurance cert with me or my reg book.

Tefral

Funny thing (or not) is that had you produced your documents, im pretty sure they would have just slapped you on the wrist for the no fully licenced driver part and would have got away.

Bring yout nct cert, your insurance cert, your driving licence to court with you. all the items against you will probably be thrown out bar the no full driver with ya one.

I always get the guards to stamp the back of any form that i produce as many of friends have ended up in court for not producing when they have.. these all got thrown out but at the same time they were down a days wages..

MagicSean

cronin_j wrote: »

Funny thing (or not) is that had you produced your documents, im pretty sure they would have just slapped you on the wrist for the no fully licenced driver part and would have got away.

Bring yout nct cert, your insurance cert, your driving licence to court with you. all the items against you will probably be thrown out bar the no full driver with ya one.

I always get the guards to stamp the back of any form that i produce as many of friends have ended up in court for not producing when they have.. these all got thrown out but at the same time they were down a days wages..

They can print you a receipt if you ask.

Tefral

k_mac wrote: »

They can print you a receipt if you ask.

Ive asked a few times but they get all narky... i got one off a guard once out of about ten times asking.

daveharnett

Johnaldinioh wrote: »

Well considering all the money i paying in taxes etc you think the guards could take the time to do their job properly .

Best of luck bringing that attitude to court :rolleyes:

MagicSean

Johnaldinioh wrote: »

Well considering all the money i paying in taxes etc you think the guards could take the time to do their job properly . As far as i knew they apparently have all the latest technology and should be able to check on their computers if i have insurance or not.

You think you pay more taxes than anyone else? And you think the gardaí get that money? Do you not read the news?

And they are doing their job properly by demanding your insurance. That's the only legal document that proves you are insured.

Tea drinker

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Yeah but he's only provoking a bad reaction by not even bothering to bring it with him. It makes a bad situation worse.

IMO & in my experience the gards are tolerant enough unless you really piss them off.

Generally true, don't get the Guards started and you are ok. But I have met a cnut myself, I'm sure many have similar experiences.

Hooch

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

All will probably be struck out, except the one you were guilty of...ie driving alone on a provisional.

Driving on a learner permit unaccompanied means you are liable to be convicted for have no driving licence, failure to produce a licence within ten days and failure to produce there and then.

A learner permit for this section does not cover Driving licence unless the driver was accompanied by someone who has a full licence 2yrs+ and L plates displayed.