Whats wrong with this picture

Brabazone

For anyone that has not had a read of this months AIM mag have a look at page 44.

I maybe wrong but that looks a lot like the Irish DF camo, it even has the original tricolor patch.

Not a good advertisement for airsoft in my opinion:(. how many threads have we asking people not to wear it and they still do.

kdouglas

For a thread with a title of "Whats wrong with this picture" I'm disappointed

Brabazone

kdouglas wrote: »

For a thread with a title of "Whats wrong with this picture" I'm disappointed

I hate to disappoint so here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU6WWajwEsU

fayer

While I fully agree Irish DPM should not be worn in any Irish airsoft setting, as it both Illegal and an emotive issue the government have about our sites, I would ask have you raised this issue directly with the Mag’s publishers directly before drawing attention to it in public? That would seem to be more productive course of action to insure it doesn’t happen again?

Brabazone

fayer wrote: »

While I fully agree Irish DPM should not be worn in any Irish airsoft setting, as it both Illegal and an emotive issue the government have about our sites, I would ask have you raised this issue directly with the Mag’s publishers directly before drawing attention to it in public? That would seem to be more productive course of action to insure it doesn’t happen again?

I have not contacted AIM about it as I believe they have no control over the dress-code of others. It has little or noting to do with them, all they have done is printed a photo of a guy or girl wearing it.

I personally don't see any issue why I should not highlight it as the magazine is circulated as public media throughout the country. It not as if people are not going to see it, I would imagine there is a sizable number of DF personal that read the mag and will immediately recognize it as Irish camo.

All I am highlighting is the person that is wearing it and remarking that they shouldn't because they, as you said breaking the law.

Danin

I am of the personal opinion that both the person in question is wrong as you mentioned but the magazine as you said sell to the public and therefore should have tighter proof reading and quality control prior to going to press as this is their responsibility as a magazine on sale to any member of the public.

Hivemind187

Things like this happen in the print industry all the time and it is by no means the first time that an airsofter has been pictured in Irish DPM. Leave off the lads at Take AIM, things like that happen and I am sure that they are aware of it by now - if you are in any doubt give them a shout and let them know I'm sure they would appreciate it.

You shouldnt assume that they deliberately published the picture ignoring the implications - chances are they didnt spot it - much like the dozens of printing and spelling mistakes that were blatant in AI and magazines from every other industry in their developing years.

The real issue here is how players are still managing to get into the field when the kit is not legal to sell, obtain or purchase by anyone outside of the military. I've heard the excuse "Oh but they bought it in a shop" - but that's still "receiving stolen goods" isnt it?

Danin

Sorry mate I wasn't having a go I just meant that as you said its not the first time this has happened if you take all the magazines as a whole. I wasn't having a go at the lads from TA pacifically sure I know the lads and get on great with them.
The other question that should be raised is should the airsoft establishment and specifically their staff not have prevented this from happening by not allowing the person to take the field dressed as he was.

So you see its the person that sold it, the person that used it, the people that allowed it to be used on the field, and unfortunately the mishap of it slipping into the magazine.

To be honest I think in this day and age they should be allowed to sell the surplus especially in the current climate and the law should be changed, as someone told me that it mostly all goes to an incinerator is this true ??

thermo

no the "old" uniforms are shredded!

Gatling

Danin wrote: »

To be honest I think in this day and age they should be allowed to sell the surplus especially in the current climate and the law should be changed, as someone told me that it mostly all goes to an incinerator is this true ??

this was originaly dealt with in the Take Aim thread the thread was locked after 2 pages of complaints

the law shouldnt be changed now more than ever there is a growing threat from dissidant terrorist groups who just love to be seen wearing irish dpm in proaganda pics and vids ,

im fed up to the teeth with this issuse year after year its been brought up and the replys are "we dont care we can do what we want when we want" ,
its complete utter bull**** being honest ,

Its ILLEGAL thats the end of it

dont care if your irish , polish,philipino,russian ,english

it dosent belong in airsoft and never will

is about time people grew up can copped on to themselfs

Airsoft Reloded

There were plenty of times in The Warehouse we had to give people some camo to wear because they had Irish DPM on, they got it from a mate mostly but a lot of times they were members of the PDF or RDF and didn’t know they weren’t allowed to wear it outside (so they said anyway).

There was also a lot of times when we didn’t notice and people had to bring it to our attention, site owners can’t be expected to inspect their customers’ camo and magazines can’t be expected to wade through all of their pictures checking what camo everyone is wearing either.

There is nothing for it really, if you see someone playing while wearing it bring it up with a marshal or site owner and if they do nothing maybe give the person some friendly advice (though some people don’t take it as friendly so your maybe better off saying nothing).

hoplite

Ah no not this topic again. Its wrong its not legal but jeebus its just a mistake. I'm more worried about scobies brandishing aegs in public. Not sure Joe duffy would even be very outraged.

OP if you are a past or servng member of the PDF I can understand if its offensive and outrageous to you and I would not have a problem with you raising the matter as your perspective might even help people understand that the uniform should be respected. If that is the case I apologise in advance and will delete my post.

If you are a regular airsofter like myself then its just something we should discourage people from doing. Take AIM is an Irish magazine being sold internationally and the positive contributions the magazine has made far out weigh the odd mistake like this. Would not have bothered to air this in a public forum as others have pointed out maybe an email directly to the magazine as a concerned member of the airsofting community would have been more appropriate?

Masada

Brabazone wrote: »

I would imagine there is a sizable number of DF personal that read the mag and will immediately recognize it as Irish camo.

There's the key point for me.

I would say that of all the airsofters there are out there, a minority of them would be DF personnel. A large portion of these people wouldn't know Irish DPM from any other woodland type of BDU unless they were connected to the Army and are familiar with the Uniform.
Unfortunately the photo was overlooked in the early stages by someone "not qualified" to know the uniform, ie, 90% of the airsoft community.

I share the opinion of the majority in that I don't like to see it used and would advise against the use of it as it may cause our sport unnecessary hassle, but i also think its very harsh and unfair to slate the lads here for including the photo, when its very unlikely you would make the point if the "culprit" was in a game with you.
The guy wearing the uniform is 100% to blame in my opinion and given the choice, if it was known at the time that he was wearing irish DPM, there's no way at all they would have went ahead with that particular photo.

Mind you, there are people on forums around the world posting photo's of themselves in Irish DPM, aswell as a gang of lads from limerick that sent a team photo of them in their Irish DPM to AI magazine, yet in that case nobody pointed the finger at the magazine, and instead blamed the idiots who knowningly wear the uniform. (Rightly so i think, cant blame the mag really)
This is exactly the same situation, in my opinion. Blame the idiot who's wearing it, most likely fully aware of the legalities surrounding it., he chose to get out of bed and put that on him.,

On Irish DPM in general, I think there are far too many people making noise about the use of it in airsoft, (partly due to the nature of the sport and the fact we mimic the army) Its giving the impression to those outside looking in, that its rampant within the sport when it really isn't.., ive seen people walking around town in Irish DPM shirts, a chap walking his dog, another driving a motorbike, a taxi driver etc etc yet airsofters make more noise on the issue than anyone else, even the Army lads themselves.

If ya see someone wearing it in a game, quietly report them to the site organisers where it can be dealt with without attracting negative attention to the sport,
Dont wait til later and post it on the internet, Tarnishing their reputation, when its too late for them to do anything about it.

Blazer

Masada wrote: »

There's the key point for me.

I would say that of all the airsofters there are out there, a minority of them would be DF personnel. A large portion of these people wouldn't know Irish DPM from any other woodland type of BDU unless they were connected to the Army and are familiar with the Uniform.
Unfortunately the photo was overlooked in the early stages by someone "not qualified" to know the uniform, ie, 90% of the airsoft community.

I share the opinion of the majority in that I don't like to see it used and would advise against the use of it as it may cause our sport unnecessary hassle, but i also think its very harsh and unfair to slate the lads here for including the photo, when its very unlikely you would make the point if the "culprit" was in a game with you.
The guy wearing the uniform is 100% to blame in my opinion and given the choice, if it was known at the time that he was wearing irish DPM, there's no way at all they would have went ahead with that particular photo.

Mind you, there are people on forums around the world posting photo's of themselves in Irish DPM, aswell as a gang of lads from limerick that sent a team photo of them in their Irish DPM to AI magazine, yet in that case nobody pointed the finger at the magazine, and instead blamed the idiots who knowningly wear the uniform. (Rightly so i think, cant blame the mag really)
This is exactly the same situation, in my opinion. Blame the idiot who's wearing it, most likely fully aware of the legalities surrounding it., he chose to get out of bed and put that on him.,

On Irish DPM in general, I think there are far too many people making noise about the use of it in airsoft, (partly due to the nature of the sport and the fact we mimic the army) Its giving the impression to those outside looking in, that its rampant within the sport when it really isn't.., ive seen people walking around town in Irish DPM shirts, a chap walking his dog, another driving a motorbike, a taxi driver etc etc yet airsofters make more noise on the issue than anyone else, even the Army lads themselves.

If ya see someone wearing it in a game, quietly report them to the site organisers where it can be dealt with without attracting negative attention to the sport,
Dont wait til later and post it on the internet, Tarnishing their reputation, when its too late for them to do anything about it.

Great to see some common sense and cool heads.
I had thanked you..:D saw your free airsoft and clicked on it to get rickrolled so I removed it out of spite

se conman

I don't mean to slate the lads at TA , but is this not the second month in a row that this problem has arose ?If I am wrong , I apologize , other wise , even though the user is really at fault the lads need to tighten up pre-print inspections.Once is a mistake , twice is slack , a third time would be very sloppy.Again , while the onus is on the wearer , TA does have a responsibility regarding what it puts into print.

Masada

Its the second time in relation to the same image.,:)

se conman

Apology offered then.

bullets

Its hardly something thats new or of cause for a major
epidemic or even concern to joe soap public. While not correct for donkeys years both PDF and RDF(FCA back in my time) have been wearing parts of their uniform totally against the rules on a fairly regular basis.

its never caused world war III to break out so I partially
dont know just what the heck all the fuss is about but
equally I would agree it should not be done in the first place.

Before the change from OD to DPM every building site
in the country was filled with people wearing a pair of combats or a pants or a pair of issue boots. It was totally
ridiclous. I remember seeing FCA members that were coal men wear their working dress pants and boots delivering the coal on the weekends only to arrive in the barracks
a few days later wearing the same kit.

When I was a wee nipper back in my teenage years I lost
track of the amount of times I saw Regular Soliders and FCA members wear their combat jackets/pants and Boots while working on building sites doing tom jobs, painting, doing odd jobs, camping, walking around the town etc etc,
Also the amont of uniforms passed onto people that were
not in the FCA/PDF where it was worn casually while walking down the streets by teenagers etc was shocking.

More recently on airsoft sites have seen poeple wear Irish issue looking boots, or other part of the uniform. So I can
see nothing has changed over the years.

~B

se conman

Just because things have not changed does not make them right (LOL) and airsoft is trying to show a united and responsible image of self-policing which is only right in order to protect our sport.

Gatling

what people dont realise is that if we dont keep everything above board in airsoft and avoid all unnessary coverage
site's- retailers'-skirmishers from aeg chrononing to the dpm issuse

there are people more than willing to take over decide how things are suppost to be done ,we will be told what when and how

to the rule of law

either we govern ourselfs or have everything taken out of our hands and make it impossible to play

Masada

So we choose to post it on Irelands most populated website with something like 250'000 members, instead of just dealing with it on an individual basis...

People need to stop fuelling a flame or it might become a fire. these problems should be dealt with on an individual basis with those "actually using the kit" instead of just posting repetitively on an open forum, making the problem seem far far more prevalent than it actually is.
Nobody makes as much noise about DPM's as airsofters, not even the Army.

Take aim mag

Hi guys,
It was a mistake, pure and simple. One that souldn't have been made but it managed to worm its way through. For some issues we have literally thousands of images to deal with and this one got through the net.
we have a full time staff of two...
but i guess we put ourselves out there to be shot down. So hey, fire away.
Apologies. We'll be eagle eyed on this matter from now on.

And thanks to for those who do support the mag, and to the likes of Masada and Hivemind for talking sense. Cheers lads.

on another note, we've got a really really great issue coming at the start of April. (shameless plug)

kdouglas

I think this issue can be laid to rest now.