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WWE/TNA feuds that feel real

  • 11-03-2010 2:39pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭


    I remember meeting Bret Hart, and telling him that his work in 1997 was just amazing, it felt really real (and thanks for always sticking up for what's right in wrestling) and it got me thinking : These days, when wrestlers feud, I never get the feeling that the two guys actually hate each other; that it's just a storyline and they all have drinks together afterwards. That just comes with the territory.

    Sometimes, very rarely, I actually feel that two guys really don't like each other, and what they're saying is pretty much a shoot.

    The last one I recall with HBK's promos on Hulk Hogan, back before (and right after) SummerSlam 2006. They were very spiteful and vicious, and it felt like before cutting his promo, HBK had just came from a meeting with Vince, and being told that he's doing the job, despite hoping/wanting/deserving to get a monumental win over the biggest name in wrestling.

    HBK's promos weren't the usual "ooh I don't like you, I'm gonna beat you" to "You selfish prick, you're not gonna show up beforehand or afterwards, you don't care about these fans at all"...something seemingly devastatingly accurate.

    The other big "real" feud to me was (of course) Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels circa 1997. So many snide remarks and repressed anger just felt so raw. That and Bret complaining/publicly berating to McMahon, ousting him as the owner, not just a commentator. Whenever Bret got his sharpshooter on Shawn, he'd really crank back, and whenever Shawn hit bret with his superkick, there was no selling required! You could see the pain on Bret's face. It was awesome.

    There were two Paul Heyman promos that felt like a shoot - i'm sure they were approved beforehand - but they were great (once on Vince, once on Bischoff)

    I'd like to know what feuds (including recent ones, if possible) did you feel were real (or at least some aspects)?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭waltersobchak


    I always wondered if that Matt Hardy, Edge and Lita thing was a work the whole time.. Matt getting fired after his girlfriend cheating on him with his best friend and then gets rehired to fued with Edge.. I know if was ment to be a shoot but it felt far too contrived to be real, even for WWE.. And it seemed like they were just trying to play with the smarks.. Hmmm


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Wrestling feeling real is something I was only thinking of this week.

    Feuds that feel Real?

    Thats something Wrestling really didn't follow well enough for me. Fans have moved to the reality of MMA where the ideas of "genuine" dislike between two competitors is well pushed. Also in TV, reality TV became huge but programmes like tough enough seemed like token gestures.

    Thats why I like NXT, it is hopefully the start of a more realistic presentation of competition and I like the way the wrestlers are treated as real people with the taped interviews. The Bryan Miz feud is coming across as a real conflict.

    I thought the Punk v Jeff Hardy feud came across as a real feud. The genuine straight edge life of Punk v the Genuine wreckless style of jeff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    DM-ICE wrote: »

    I thought the Punk v Jeff Hardy feud came across as a real feud. The genuine starigt edge life of Punk v the Genuine wreckless style of jeff.

    + 1

    also Jericho and HBK's feud and i guess Orton and HHH


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    + 1

    also Jericho and HBK's feud and i guess Orton and HHH

    Two more good choices.

    On that Orton has created a realistic persona that helps every feud he is in.

    Jericho's reinvention was brilliant. While the Y2J era was great the new Jericho is a very real persona that I really believe in.

    I would also say Edge and Miz come across as real and the Heel Batista comes across as real.

    Its just up to WWE to use the more realistic personas together well in feuds so the feuds become realistic too.

    The Edge v Jericho match being set up for mania had potential to have a real feel to it but the spear, spear, spear stuff lets it down a bit. HBK v Taker would be even more epic if taker was less partial to talking abouts souls etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    I think you could feel the dislike between Piper and Vince at the recent MSG show. Piper has said many times that he cannot stand Vince. And if anyone can remember his promo at Vince on Smackdown in 2003, that kind of backs it all up. It was a seething and hate filled as you will ever hear.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    One of the most recent TNA feuds i liked was Angle and Wolfe but it seemed to be over way too soon imo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭waltersobchak


    gimmick wrote: »
    I think you could feel the dislike between Piper and Vince at the recent MSG show. Piper has said many times that he cannot stand Vince. And if anyone can remember his promo at Vince on Smackdown in 2003, that kind of backs it all up. It was a seething and hate filled as you will ever hear.

    Jesse Ventura's seemed that way as well, especially his promo at the end about Cena..


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    gimmick wrote: »
    I think you could feel the dislike between Piper and Vince at the recent MSG show. Piper has said many times that he cannot stand Vince. And if anyone can remember his promo at Vince on Smackdown in 2003, that kind of backs it all up. It was a seething and hate filled as you will ever hear.


    That reminds me: ventura ripping on cena.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    One of the most recent TNA feuds i liked was Angle and Wolfe but it seemed to be over way too soon imo

    But that was just like a regular feud. Nothing realistic seeped through like some of the aforementioned.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    gimmick wrote: »
    But that was just like a regular feud. Nothing realistic seeped through like some of the aforementioned.


    What about Joe and Angle?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,045 ✭✭✭Vince135792003


    Bret against Vince felt real until a lady reversed her car into Bret's leg.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Same really. In fact, I think in that you could almost say that you could see the respect each had for his opponent.

    Now, maybe Angle and Jarrett, then we are cooking.
    I always wondered if that Matt Hardy, Edge and Lita thing was a work the whole time..

    Worked or not, they blew that angle something massive. Despite it being the hottest pro wrestling topic since the screwjob, they played it off as a mid card feud. There was so much unused potential there, but the bookers blew their load way too quick and were fartoo ineffective in what they did.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭waltersobchak


    gimmick wrote: »
    Same really. In fact, I think in that you could almost say that you could see the respect each had for his opponent.

    Now, maybe Angle and Jarrett, then we are cooking.



    Worked or not, they blew that angle something massive. Despite it being the hottest pro wrestling topic since the screwjob, they played it off as a mid card feud. There was so much unused potential there, but the bookers blew their load way too quick and were fartoo ineffective in what they did.

    Absolutely that pop Matt Hardy got when he attacked Edge the first time was fu*king unreal, and that cage match they had on Raw was brillant aswell, that fued should have sent Hardy to the stratusphere but alas obviously not


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Heyman and JR on commentary for a while was outstandingly good


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Music Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators Posts: 24,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭Angron


    I was gonna say HHH v Orton, but someone beat me to it. :(

    Cena v Batista might have potential if it's done right, but that's a whole other matter. I suppose it's harder to have a serious storyline that oozes reality when todays attention span is as bad as... OH SHINY RED BALL!

    I also think there is promise in the Miz/Daniel Bryan angle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,640 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I remember when Angle was drafted to Raw and he had that face-off with HHH, you sensed that they really hated each other. Shame they didn't do a match as it had been a good few years since they had last feuded.

    Goldberg and HHH was another one that felt real enough. I always felt Hunter worked hard in that feud to try and win him over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Absolutely that pop Matt Hardy got when he attacked Edge the first time was fu*king unreal, and that cage match they had on Raw was brillant aswell, that fued should have sent Hardy to the stratusphere but alas obviously not

    Matt blew it simple as that on his return night. The crowd were ballistic and popped like mofo's when he returned, and then he cut an abysmal promo which killed any chance he had of ever been a main eventer. :o
    For those who have forgotten it....



  • Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nash-HHH was ok I suppose off the top of my head. My favourites are all gone :( Punk-Hardy is top of my list.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    Mick Foley v Randy Orton feud in 2003-2004 felt pretty real,also thought Foley vs Flair in 2005 felt quite real too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,376 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    giant haystacks and big daddy, now there was a real feud with real wrestlers :o lasted from about 1977 to about 87



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Icky Thump


    stone cold-rock

    sure alot of it was fake but they really didnt5 seem to like eachother and seemed to wanna be the face of wwf at the time.

    great fues aswell

    so was rock-foley:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭geeky


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    giant haystacks and big daddy, now there was a real feud with real wrestlers :o lasted from about 1977 to about 87


    Jaysus did they settle it with a pie-eating competition. Flair-Foley for me. Also felt a bit between Flair and Hogan in the 1990s, but nothing on a par with Michaels-Hart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,640 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    giant haystacks and big daddy, now there was a real feud with real wrestlers :o lasted from about 1977 to about 87

    LOL I bet that slap on the arse at 2:27 felt real. Good old fashioned sexism! :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Not TNA or WWE, but some of the ROH stuff over the years has really blurred the lines between work and shoot.

    - The riot in 2002 when the crows was filled with planted "fan" who wrecked the arena

    - The Corino/Homicide feud when theyir real-life animosity spilled over into some brutal violence. Corino even lost the use of one of his ears.

    - The Punk storyline when he won the title despite being due to start with WWE, was riveting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Randy the Ram and the Ayotollah. :D :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,045 ✭✭✭Vince135792003


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Randy the Ram and the Ayotollah. :D :pac:

    Randy the Ram and the Store manager was a feud that felt real and I could relate to!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The Rock/HHH feud was better than The Rock/SCSA imo

    I think HHH/Rock was a perfect balance of rivalry and feud


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭geeky


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Matt blew it simple as that on his return night. The crowd were ballistic and popped like mofo's when he returned, and then he cut an abysmal promo which killed any chance he had of ever been a main eventer. :o
    For those who have forgotten it....


    Jesus that’s a stinker. Ruining angles 101: a masterclass.

    Few highlights:
    - way to keep kayfabe, Matt.
    - Edge ‘one of my best friends on this planet’ – as opposed to Neptune?
    - The matt hardy movement. Oh dear.
    - Love the random shouting at inappropriate moments.
    - ‘you destroyed my dream of one day having children’ – what, did he cut his nuts off too? That’s attitude-era…
    - I dunno what it is, but when he goes in close to the camera saying ‘you’ll wish you were dead’ [7.12] it’s just hilarious.
    - saying you want the guy to die in a car accident? WTF?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    LOL, I'll give Matt the benefit of the doubt and say that was the script he was handed. ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    LOL, I'll give Matt the benefit of the doubt and say that was the script he was handed. ;)

    If Rovert or SR were here, they would kill you for that! :D:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭brick tamland


    Going back years here but anyone remember Jake The Snake Vs Rick Rude. Rude did his usual routine of picking out a lady from the crowd to throw the lips on after a squash match. but one week the lady of his choice was Mrs Roberts. Felt very real at the time. Jake Roberts was brilliant on the mike back them, probably why it came accross so real.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭Dancor


    Going back years here but anyone remember Jake The Snake Vs Rick Rude. Rude did his usual routine of picking out a lady from the crowd to throw the lips on after a squash match. but one week the lady of his choice was Mrs Roberts. Felt very real at the time. Jake Roberts was brilliant on the mike back them, probably why it came accross so real.

    Apparently it was real. I read somewhere Rick was banging her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭brick tamland


    Dancor wrote: »
    Apparently it was real. I read somewhere Rick was banging her.


    Really, never heard that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭paddyismaddy


    the ones that stand out for are

    hbk/bret
    hhh/rock
    scsa/rock
    hbk/y2j
    orton/cena
    orton/hhh
    jbl/eddie
    hogan/savage
    abyss/sting
    hhh/mankind
    joe/angle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    the ones that stand out for are

    hbk/bret
    hhh/rock
    scsa/rock
    hbk/y2j
    orton/cena
    orton/hhh
    jbl/eddie
    hogan/savage
    abyss/sting
    hhh/mankind
    joe/angle

    Just wondering, did you think these guys actually hated each other or were just well done/intense feuds?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭paddyismaddy


    jaykhunter wrote: »
    Just wondering, did you think these guys actually hated each other or were just well done/intense feuds?

    i dont think any of one actually hated each other maybe majorly disliked :p

    i think jbl and eddie were good friends but their feud was very intense and this was more with the story they told in their feud and also cena and orton are good friends so no dislike there

    maybe its bringing family/partners into the story that helps build the feuds better


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Thats what I was thinking - are some people saying these are the fueds they actually liked, or fueds they actually felt were an on screen version of an off screen dislike?

    Some of the feuds mentioned - like Y2J and HBK for example, that fueds was based pretty much on the heel Jericho wanting to emulate and surpass his hero while finishing his heros career at the same time. A classic wrestling angle.

    Re Rock and Austin, well read Austins book, or see the Wrestlemania documentary which is an extra on the WM20 dvd, Rock says how much he loves Austin and told him so in the ring after their match at WM19.

    Eddie was JBLs best man ffs.

    Intense, well worked fueds perhaps. Genuine animosity, not on your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    gimmick wrote: »
    Thats what I was thinking - are some people saying these are the fueds they actually liked, or fueds they actually felt were an on screen version of an off screen dislike?

    I'm actually looking for real-life feuds or ones where the two genuinely hate each other and so throw in a few stiff digs in the ring or spiteful remarks during promos.

    There must be a ton in WCW? Didn't everyone hate each other what with the guaranteed contracts and ballooning egos and no-one laying down the law? Russo loves that real-life stuff. It's such a shame we never got Angle/Jarrett III - if at all possible, Angle would've beat the piss out of Jarrett even more :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭waltersobchak


    jaykhunter wrote: »
    I'm actually looking for real-life feuds or ones where the two genuinely hate each other and so throw in a few stiff digs in the ring or spiteful remarks during promos.

    There must be a ton in WCW? Didn't everyone hate each other what with the guaranteed contracts and ballooning egos and no-one laying down the law? Russo loves that real-life stuff. It's such a shame we never got Angle/Jarrett III - if at all possible, Angle would've beat the piss out of Jarrett even more :D

    The one from WCW that stands out to me was Chris Benoit and Kevin Sullivan where Benoit was fueding with Sullivan over Sullivans then real life wife Woman(Nancy Benoit) and i think the fued got pretty nasty once Benoit actually stole his wife


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Jolt2007


    jaykhunter wrote: »
    I'm actually looking for real-life feuds or ones where the two genuinely hate each other and so throw in a few stiff digs in the ring or spiteful remarks during promos.

    There must be a ton in WCW? Didn't everyone hate each other what with the guaranteed contracts and ballooning egos and no-one laying down the law? Russo loves that real-life stuff. It's such a shame we never got Angle/Jarrett III - if at all possible, Angle would've beat the piss out of Jarrett even more :D

    There's a superb topic that should suit your needs somewhat over at Sherdog (don't let that put you off). The topic kind of mixes between in ring fall outs, the original topic intention, and backstage fights. http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f44/pro-wrestling-shoots-works-turned-shoot-shoots-worked-federation-etc-985140/


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Icky Thump


    gimmick wrote: »
    Thats what I was thinking - are some people saying these are the fueds they actually liked, or fueds they actually felt were an on screen version of an off screen dislike?

    Some of the feuds mentioned - like Y2J and HBK for example, that fueds was based pretty much on the heel Jericho wanting to emulate and surpass his hero while finishing his heros career at the same time. A classic wrestling angle.

    Re Rock and Austin, well read Austins book, or see the Wrestlemania documentary which is an extra on the WM20 dvd, Rock says how much he loves Austin and told him so in the ring after their match at WM19.

    Eddie was JBLs best man ffs.

    Intense, well worked fueds perhaps. Genuine animosity, not on your life.

    and did you read what austin said to him in reply:D

    "shut the hell up":D brilliant sentmental moment


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    If Rovert or SR were here, they would kill you for that! :D:pac:

    Ha, thems were the days. :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I always thought The Rock and HHH generally disliked each other outside the ring


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