CIA used LSD to make French lose the loaf

epgc3fyqirnbsx

IN 1951, a quiet, picturesque village in southern France was suddenly and mysteriously struck down with mass insanity and hallucinations. At least five people died, dozens were committed to asylums and hundreds afflicted.

For decades it was assumed that the local bread had been unwittingly poisoned with a psychedelic mould. Now an even more extraordinary explanation has emerged, with evidence suggesting the CIA peppered local food with the hallucinogenic drug LSD as part of a mind-control experiment at the height of the Cold War.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/cia-used-lsd-to-make-french-lose-the-loaf-2095194.html

I couldn't believe it when I read this, it's like something out of a b-movie. I really hope it's true and I'd love to see them do something like this here.

You can imagine going about your daily boring business, next minute everyone is tripping balls, I'm imagining the end scene of Batman Begins, except there's a happy place to go to when it all gets too much

OutlawPete

They tried to make Uri Geller kill a Goat :cool:

geeky

OutlawPete wrote: »

They tried to make Uri Gellar kill a Goat :cool:

If only they'd done it the other way around.

Samba

Someone who has experienced LSD would be just as mentally disturbed as someone who had not if it unknowingly past through their system, don't be so silly as to say "it would be class".

It's downright dispicable and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

I'm afraid your romantacised view of everyone holding hands and making daisy chains is quite unrealistic, it would be chaos.

Sick if the article is true.

tricky D

Ergot. Simples.

biko

H P Albarelli Jr, an investigative journalist, claims the outbreak resulted from a covert experiment directed by the CIA and the US army's top-secret special ops division at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Mr Albarelli came across CIA documents while investigating the suspicious suicide of Frank Olson, a biochemist working for special ops who fell from a 13th floor window two years after the Cursed Bread incident.

One of the notes describes a conversation between a CIA agent and a official with Sandoz, a pharmaceutical company that "supplied the CIA and the US army with LSD".

The official allegedly mentioned the "secret of Pont-Saint-Esprit" and explained that it was not "at all" caused by mould but by diethylamide, the D in LSD.

Just can't trust CIA. They've been doing too much crap for too long.

AnonoBoy

Next time on 'The Wacky Adventures of the CIA'....... Extraordinary Rendition!

seamus

Sounds plausible. The CIA and US military had been experimenting with quite a few narcotics during the cold war in a bid to find ways to make soldiers faster, stronger and impervious to pain and fatigue. Speed also featured quite highly because it negated the need to sleep.

Lux23

tricky D wrote: »

Ergot. Simples.

Well that's what they thought, if this is true the CIA are responsible for murdering 5 people and causing an untold amount of damage to countless lives. Loads of people ended up in insitutions because of it but I doubt that the CIA would have done this in France, seems a dodgy choice. But then they did support experiments on patients in care in Canada so maybe this wouldn't bother them.

Fuk that... Jesus christ i'd say the doses were massive. Utter evilness..

geeky

After reading The Men Who Stare at Goats, nothing - and I mean nothing - would surprise me.

The whole security sector in America seems to have gone a bit batty during the period.

Lux23

Would LSD consumption in huge doses cause the physical symptoms that Ergot poisoning does?

Elenxor

Shhhhh!

They are watching!!!!!

seamus

geeky wrote: »

The whole security sector in America seems to have gone a bit batty during the period.

I think people seem to either not know about this or have forgotten about it. If you've read George Orwell's 1984 recently, while you can see the point about it, the entire scenario is now very much science fiction from our modern point of view and it seems completely ridiculous.

However during the Cold War era, the United States was only a few technological innovations away from it. People were routinely locked up, tortured and interrogated, based on nothing more than accusations from other people. Families, even children, were encouraged to report any "redness" displayed by other members of their family.

The entire concepts of freedom and human rights that we take for granted, were completely non-existent. The CIA could do whatever the hell it wanted, experiment on whoever it liked, and if you dissented, well into the cells you go with all the other reds.

Like WW2 is Germany's horrible little secret, the 1950's are the USA's dirty little secret, which they do their best to pretend never happened.

Jumpy

Lux23 wrote: »

Ergot poisoning

Vis a vis

inforfun

The CIA has not finished this experiment when i look around me in certain area's of Ireland.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Samba wrote: »

Someone who has experienced LSD would be just as mentally disturbed as someone who had not if it unknowingly past through their system, don't be so silly as to say "it would be class".

It's downright dispicable and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

I'm afraid your romantacised view of everyone holding hands and making daisy chains is quite unrealistic, it would be chaos.

Sick if the article is true.

Yes I am aware of this, it was tongue in cheek

epgc3fyqirnbsx

There is a huge arrogance on the part of the CIA, probably as a result of them being the only western super-power, safe in the knowledge that no western country would argue for fear of any economic repurcussions.

I wonder will this change in the next few years and might there be a backlash?

IvyTheTerrible

If this is what they did in a Western country, God knows what they were at in third world countries.

pickarooney

seamus wrote: »

Like WW2 is Germany's horrible little secret

I'm pretty sure WW2 is widely known about

seamus

pickarooney wrote: »

I'm pretty sure WW2 is widely known about

Shush! You know what I mean...

Samba

Guadalupe Fluffy Stinker wrote: »

Yes I am aware of this, it was tongue in cheek

Phew!

Intersarcism detector is off today.

MaybeLogic

pickarooney wrote: »

I'm pretty sure WW2 is widely known about

Ssh. Don't mention the...
Doh!

orourkeda

OutlawPete wrote: »

They tried to make Uri Geller kill a Goat :cool:

Did he shag it?

Son Of A Vidic

Elenxor wrote: »

Shhhhh!

They are watching!!!!!

To bloody right, don't look over your left shoulder....I just did.

rgt320q

Forget the French, the US government tested LSD on their own, unwitting citizens. This is addressed in part of the documentary The Beyond Within. I'd highly recommend it to anyone with an interest in LSD or psychedelics in general.

Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-978009422965092359&ei=VlCZS5XoJ5fS-AabsMnTAg&q=beyond+the+within#
Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1637990216567018276&ei=VlCZS5XoJ5fS-AabsMnTAg&q=beyond+the+within#

Corkfeen

I'm certain we'll be seeing a noir about this in 2 years time. At least they just did it to the french. :rolleyes: Its well known that they tested it on soldiers etc.. The writer of One Flew Over the Cuckoos nest developed an addiction from it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Kesey#Experimentation_with_psychoactive_drugs

rgt320q

Corkfeen wrote: »

The writer of One Flew Over the Cuckoos nest developed an addiction from it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Kesey#Experimentation_with_psychoactive_drugs

Addicted to LSD? You may not be aware of this but humans develop a tolerance to LSD rather quickly making it pretty much impossible to become addicted to.

Corkfeen

rgt320q wrote: »

Addicted to LSD? You may not be aware of this but humans develop a tolerance to LSD rather quickly making it pretty much impossible to become addicted to.

I was just saying that very generally Have very little info on LSD to be honest but he was given various drugs that would be considered addictive by the US government.

rgt320q

Corkfeen wrote: »

I was just saying that very generally Have very little info on LSD to be honest but he was given various drugs that would be considered addictive by the US government.

Ahright. There's a link to a very interesting documentary on LSD a few posts back, you should give it a go It features a few interviews with Ken Kesey actually.

Fear Uladh

Guadalupe Fluffy Stinker wrote: »

CIA used LSD to make French lose the loaf

What did they do for bread then?

OutlawPete

orourkeda wrote: »

Did he shag it?

The book (Men Who Stare At Goats) contradicts interviews he has given.

In the book he tells people to look for a guy who this happened to and yet in interviews he implies he was the one who they asked to kill animals by staring at them.

Apparently their heart would slow and they would pass out but not die.

Strange buachaill.

tomhappens

Wouldn't surprise me really. There are many things that happened in the past that are down right sick. The British being the first to gas the Kurds, the bombing of Guernica in the 30's.

It is an endless list, till you get to the end.