High-End Gaming Build

gamer_Niall

i dunno how to build tho i'm tryna learn

gamer_Niall

look at this me and a friend made it, its what im planning to get any suggestions/changes i should make?



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Cooler Master Cosmos Type S Big Tower

Fans: 1x 120mm Front, 1x 120mm Top, 1x 120mm Side, 1x 120mm Rear, 17 dBA


Article number:347264
Stock status:5 pcs stocked
188.23


Sony DVD±RW burner DRU-870S,

24x, Nero 8 essentials, Retail


Article number:484220
Stock status:in order, expected 8 pcs 12.Mar.2010
27.82


Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 1GB GDDR5

PCI-Express 2.0, "TOXIC Edition", 2xDVI-I, HDMI, DisplayPort, 765MHz,Full-Retail


Article number:584726
Stock status:1 pcs stocked
345.00


WD Caviar® Black 1TB 3,5", SATA,

32MB Cache, Dual Processor, 7200RPM


Article number:355395
Stock status:in order, expected 78 pcs 30.Mar.2010
84.65


Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3, Socket-AM3

AMD 770+SB710, ATX, DDR3 , USB3.0, SATA 6Gb/s, GbLAN, PCI-Ex(2.0)x16


Article number:575117
Stock status:2 pcs stocked
81.90


Corsair Dominator GT DDR3 1600MHz 4GB

Kit w/2x 2GB XMS3 modules, CL7-7-7-20, 1.65V, for AMD Phenom II, 240pin


Article number:499165
Stock status:4 pcs stocked
189.90


Cooler Master Real Power M 620W


Article number:350472
Stock status:16 pcs stocked
76.68


AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition

Quad Core, 3,4Ghz, AM3, 8MB, 125W, Boxed


Article number:518692
Stock status:12 pcs stocked
169.00


Microsoft Windows 7 Pro EN

OEM, 32bit


Article number:500043
Stock status:1 pcs stocked
127.47


Creative SB X-FI Xtreme Gamer


Article number:335481
Stock status:3 pcs stocked
84.83

Total:
1,375.48

yomamasflavour

I'd ditch that memory for a start. As expensive as memory has gotten recently, that's way too much to be shelling out for 4GB.

Secondly don't buy that 5850, again it's too expensive.
Check out some sites other than Komplett and you should find more competitive pricing.

Other things like the cosmos case, and the sound card are more to do with personal taste I suppose, but given a choice I'd buy a 100 euro case - forget the soundcard and buy something like an ssd instead with the change.

You could easily shave 300+ off that build.
Which you could then spend on a new monitor, second graphics card, ssd etc.

dun79

Hi gamer_Niall

you might be better of going for intel if you have €1,375 to spend

but if you want amd have a look at this list.



Antec Twelve Hundred Big Tower Black 144.40


Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S223C 18.40


Samsung EcoGreen F2 1.5 TB 95.01



ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO, Socket-AM3 81.17


Crucial DDR3 BallistiX 1333MHz 4GB CL7 117.50


Corsair VX 450W PSU 61.71


Microsoft Windows 7 Pro EN 128.51


AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition 169.00


Intel X25-M SSD 80GB 2,5", 208.14


ASUS Radeon HD 5850 1GB GDDR5 313.90

Total:
1,337.74

gamer_Niall

thanks for the replies guys

as for the pricing well money isn't realy the problem i want to splash out on a top of the range rig, ut ye i will look around for cheaper thx yomamasflavour

i was gonna go for the

Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5

PCI-Express 2.0,"VAPOR-X", 2xDVI-I, HDMI, DisplayPort, Full-Retail

Komplett #:579048/Manufacturer P/N: 11161-03-50R
Availability:in order, expected 77 pcs 3.May.2010



i have a 19" and a 40" LCD tv which i was gonna use as a monitor


€ 421.26

gamer_Niall

dun79 wrote: »

Hi gamer_Niall

you might be better of going for intel if you have €1,375 to spend

my friend said im better off going with AMD, i originally was going to go with an i7 build but he doesn't know much about them and i haven't a clue so to be safe we went with AMD lol

Solitaire

i5-750 is a bit better than even the highest-end Phenom2s usually and moves far ahead if OCd due to the larger relative gain (much faster @4GHz than a Phenom @4GHz). i7 is awesome but with the older HT implementation you don't see the benefits in too many games yet

Blazer

Again what Solitaire said...
For a high end gaming system you have to go Intel otherwise it's not high -end

All jokes aside Intel's i5/i7s are destroying AMds CPUs.
Will be interesting to see how their next 8 core CPUs handle but for now the edge is with Intel.

marco_polo

I have the 965 BE and it is a great gaming chip and it would not certainly disappoint you, but it is a little behind the i5 as stated above. So unless you are saving a bit by going the AMD route on the CPU/Board I would probably go for for the i5 as well expecially if you intend on overclocking, if not then you probably doesn't really matter too much which you go for TBH.

gamer_Niall

whats the difference between i5 and i7?
if im going intel which should i use?

reason for the AMD is because my friend knows how to build them and could help me, i have no experience lol

if i went with intel could i pay someone to build it? would it be expensive?

death1234567

gamer_Niall wrote: »

OEM, 32bit

I'd get a 64 bit Os If I were you, it will allow you address over 4Gb of memory if you want to upgrade memory again in the future.

gamer_Niall

whats the difference between the 2? i don't get it

gamer_Niall

ok this is what i came up with my intel rig





Sony DVD±RW burner DRU-870S,

24x, Nero 8 essentials, Retail

27.82





Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR

PCI-Express 2.0,"VAPOR-X", 2xDVI-I, HDMI, DisplayPort, Full-Retail

421.26





WD Caviar® Black 1TB 3,5", SATA,

32MB Cache, Dual Processor, 7200RPM

84.65




ASUS P7P55D, P55, Socket-1156

DDR3, ATX, GbLAN, Firewire, eSATA, PCI-Ex(2.0)x16

123.49




Corsair Dominator GT DDR3 2000MHz 4GB

Kit w/2x 2GB XMS3 modules, CL8-8-8-24, Fan, for Core i5 and i7, 1.65V,

230.00




Cooler Master Real Power M 620W

76.68




Creative SB X-FI Xtreme Gamer

84.83




Intel Core™ i5 Dual Processor i5-670

Dual Core, 3.46Ghz, Socket 1156, 4MB, 73W, Boxed w/fan

264.01




Microsoft Windows 7 Pro EN

OEM, 64bit

128.51




Antec Nine Hundred Midi Tower Black

Fans: 2x 120mm Front, 1x 200mm Top, 1x 120mm Rear, Blue LEDs, Window

83.22



Total:
1,524.47

yomamasflavour

gamer_Niall wrote: »

whats the difference between the 2? i don't get it

There's a couple.

Different sockets - i7 is (*generally) socket 1366 where-as the i5 is socket 1156.
(*There are some i7 processors that use socket 1156)

i7 (socket 1366) costs a bit more. An i7 build will generally cost 100 - 200 euro more than an i5 build.
Due to the more expensive cpu, motherboard and increased amount of ram.

i7 has hyperthreading, the i5 doesn't. It's only beneficial in certain applications. In others like gaming for example it can have a negative impact.

i7 (1366) would be a better choice if considering crossfire or sli, It would enable your grapics cards to run in (x16,x16) mode. In an i5 build they would have to run in (x16,x8) mode, which can cause a degredation in performance.

i7 can use memory in triple channel mode (or dual channel), where-as i5 can only use dual channel mode (though realistically there is neglible difference)

There the main differences I can think of. If it's a gaming build you'd be best off going with the i5 and spending most of your money on the gpu.

EDIT:
Unless you intend on INSANE overclocking, that memory is useless and you wont see any benefit.
Also if going i5 - its probably better to with something like the i5-750.
Plenty of games and apps utilise quads these days.

This would make a lot more sense.

Jack Bracken

gamer_Niall wrote: »

whats the difference between the 2? i don't get it

A 64 bit operating system can address more memory than a 32 bit operating system. 32 bit operating systems can only address slightly under 4GB of memory if memory serves me correctly, so with a 1GB graphics card, you could only use 3GB of RAM, but with a 64 bit OS, many people have upwards of 8GB of RAM. Meanwhile I putter along with my 1GB of DDR memory, and a 256MB budget graphics card that struggles along with theme hospital.

If I were you I'd go with windows 7 64 bit, an intel i5 and an ATI Radeon HD 4870.

54kroc

I'd go with a Corsair Obsidian 800D if I were you.
The cosmos and antec's are good case's but they ain't a patch on the 800D.

gamer_Niall

thanks a lot both of you!!

another question emm the i5-670 and the i5-750 whats the deal there
the 670 seems to cost more

which would be best for gaming?


Intel Core™ i5 Dual Processor i5-670

Dual Core, 3.46Ghz, Socket 1156, 4MB, 73W, Boxed w/fan



€ 264.01
Intel Core™ i5 Quad Processor i5-750

Quad Core, 2.66Ghz, Socket 1156, 8MB, 95W, Boxed w/fan



€ 188.00

gamer_Niall

cork45 wrote: »

I'd go with a Corsair Obsidian 800D if I were you.
The cosmos and antec's are good case's but they ain't a patch on the 800D.

a bit pricey for just a case =p

Jack Bracken

The 670 is a dual-core processor with a higher clock speed. The 750 is a quad-core.

The answer to which one you should get is "It depends...".

gamer_Niall

on?? lol

Jack Bracken

On what you want to use it for. In your case that's obviously gaming, but even then some games handle quad cores better than dual cores and vice-versa. Last I knew most games used dual-cores a lot better than quads, but it's been over a year since I kept up and things may have changed.

dun79

gamer_Niall wrote: »

thanks for the replies guys

as for the pricing well money isn't realy the problem i want to splash out on a top of the range rig,

If money isn't realy the problem, i would go with something like this.


Intel Core™ i7 Quad Processor i7-920 262.00


ASUS Rampage II Extreme, X58 314.20


Corsair Dominator DHX+ DDR3 1600MHz 6GB 244.00


Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S223C 18.40


Samsung EcoGreen F2 1.5 TB x2 95.01 x2 190.02


Microsoft Windows 7 Pro EN 128.51


Intel X25-M SSD 80GB 2,5", 208.14


ASUS Radeon HD 5850 1GB GDDR5 x2 313.90 x2 627.80


Antec Twelve Hundred Big Tower Black 144.40


Corsair HX 850W PSU 153.40

Total:
2,290.87

marco_polo

Jack Bracken wrote: »

On what you want to use it for. In your case that's obviously gaming, but even then some games handle quad cores better than dual cores and vice-versa. Last I knew most games used dual-cores a lot better than quads, but it's been over a year since I kept up and things may have changed.

More and more properly multithreaded games are appearing so I think the quad is a better future option. The thing is that when a game suits a dual core it tends to to be a little better than a quad core, whereas when a game suits the quad it can potentially do much much better.

54kroc

gamer_Niall wrote: »

a bit pricey for just a case =p

It is but you did say "money isn't really the problem"

gamer_Niall

cork45 wrote: »

It is but you did say "money isn't really the problem"

yes i did =p lets say 2.000 is the budget now haha


ok so it all depends what games i play?

i play games like:
some browser games
war rock (online fps)
Cross-Fire (online fps)
runescape (mmorpg)

Age of empires
command and conquer
halo
war craft
cossacks
total war

basically a lot of shooters and war games.


and thank you for all the replies your a lot of help!! thanks

BadCharlie

Looking at the games you play.
U would not need a powerfull computer to play them.

The build yomamasflavour put together is what i would go for. Its a good price and will more then handle the games you play.

you did not say if u needed a monitor. But the builds you put together did not show any monitor so i think everyone is guessing you dont need one.

Also i hope you know how to put a computer together or have a friend who can do it with you.

gamer_Niall

the reason i only play those games is because i have a Dell dimension 5150 piece of crap lol

I don't buy the lets say "newer" type games because i know my pc cant handle them.

i have a 40" tv and a 19" Dell monitor may buy a 22" in the future if it doesn't work well with the 40"


ok lets say i want to play games like Crysis (heard great things about it) on the highest setting what would be the best for me?

requiem1

I'd say I've posted this a few times but for gaming other than a decent gpu where most people notice a difference is in their harddrive, if you're budgeting big then consider getting a decent SSD or at least putting a couple of drives in RAID 0. I know you don't have the data security of RAID 1 but all i do is game on my PC and I'm not worried if one of the harddrive fails cause I have an ISO image of my system as is.

Spend as much money as you can on the gpu cause it will stand to you in the long run, over the last 5-6 years i was a fiend for buying not the best card but the second best card like the 6600 the 8800gts and I ended up changing them more than any other component. so when i went to upgrade the last time round i went big and got a GTX295 and I can't see that going anywhere for a long while.

As for the rest of the build, ram wise unless you're an overclocker then there's no need for the ram. Stick to some standard stuff with good tight timing and if down the road you want to get a decent overclock out of the system you can get that ram and it'll probably be half the price or less. OCZ DDR2 Reaper Ram is case and point for me given I spent ~200 on it when first building and then got it for my htpc for 70 a year or so later.

thats just my two cents and lastly consider buying a great case, there the one thing that when you change a system or upgrade you'll hold onto if its good. Coolermaster ATCS 840 is a great case and great value for money, it won't be replaced by anything good over the next few years.

Best of luck with the build

req

Jonny7

Chip - i5 750 - Quad core, all you need and can be overclocked very well

Motherboard - socket 1156, Gigabyte or similar (their UD3 board is good value)

Ram - 4 gigs, should be about 100 euros, you do not need insanely stupid stuff unless you plan on massively overclocking the PC.

Harddrive - Samsung F3 1 terabyte - basically the best 7200 harddrive out at the moment, silent, fast.

Case - your choice

Power supply - 550 watt or higher to allow for future faster graphics cards in a years time or more.

Graphics card - for now, the ATI 5850 is the best performer, a little high in price, perhaps will drop at the end of the month when new Nvidia cards come out.

OS - Windows 7 64bit


The above is absolutely perfect for gaming. The only parts you would or should be changed within the next 2 or 3 years would be an even more insane graphics card and/or a good cooler for the processor so you could overclock at a later date.

gamer_Niall

ok ok thanks guys i think ima go with the i5 have a look

case: Cooler Master Cosmos Type S Big Tower

Fans: 1x 120mm Front, 1x 120mm Top, 1x 120mm Side, 1x 120mm Rear, 17 dBA


Processor: Intel Core™ i5 Quad Processor i5-750

Quad Core, 2.66Ghz, Socket 1156, 8MB, 95W, Boxed w/fan


HardDrive: WD Caviar® Black 1TB 3,5", SATA,

32MB Cache, Dual Processor, 7200RPM

Graphics Card someone help me here which is best?
HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 or HD 5970 2GB GDDR5


Power
Cooler Master Silent Pro M500 500W PSU

memory Corsair Dominator GT DDR3 2000MHz 4GB

Mobo ASUS Rampage II Extreme, X58

what am i missing/could change?

yomamasflavour

gamer_Niall wrote: »

ok ok thanks guys i think ima go with the i5 have a look

case: Cooler Master Cosmos Type S Big Tower

Fans: 1x 120mm Front, 1x 120mm Top, 1x 120mm Side, 1x 120mm Rear, 17 dBA


Processor: Intel Core™ i5 Quad Processor i5-750

Quad Core, 2.66Ghz, Socket 1156, 8MB, 95W, Boxed w/fan


HardDrive: WD Caviar® Black 1TB 3,5", SATA,

32MB Cache, Dual Processor, 7200RPM

Graphics Card someone help me here which is best?
HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 or HD 5970 2GB GDDR5


Power
Cooler Master Silent Pro M500 500W PSU

memory Corsair Dominator GT DDR3 2000MHz 4GB

Mobo ASUS Rampage II Extreme, X58

what am i missing/could change?

Everything to be honest
I don't mean to be rude or anything but you're wasting money on bits that are useless and skimping on the important bits.

- That motherboard is about 200 euro overpriced. (its also incompatible with the i5) You would only buy it if you intended running 3 graphics cards and some serious overclocking.

- That RAM is about 130 euro overpriced. You'd only buy it if you intended INSANE overclocking. Only invest in expensive ram when you've already maxed everything else out. i.e it gives very VERY little performance boost.

Then you're skimping on the power supply (not a good idea) especially if you ever intend on upgrading - this will hold you back.

bty a 5970 is two 5870 chips on one board.
its currently the best graphics card available and has a hefty price tag to boot (650 -750 euro).

Only consider this if you have a monitor resolution in excess of 1920x1080.
Otherwise you're throwing your money away.

(for example a 5850 will run Crysis, GTA IV, COD, Bad company 2... Flawlessly at 1920x1080 and above - I run all my games on it at 3240x1920 without a bother)

I'm not saying don't spend your money, I'm just saying spend it so you get the most out of it.;)

sink

yomamasflavour wrote: »

3240x1920

:eek:

Solitaire

yomamasflavour wrote: »

Everything to be honest
I don't mean to be rude or anything but you're wasting money on bits that are useless and skimping on the important bits.

- That motherboard is about 200 euro overpriced. You would only buy it if you intended running 3 grapics cards and some serious overclocking.

- That RAM is about 130 euro overpriced. You'd only buy it if you intended INSANE overclocking. Only invest in expensive ram when you've already maxed everything else out. i.e it gives very VERY little performance boost.

Then you're skimping on the power supply (not a good idea) especially if you ever intend on upgrading - this will hold you back.

bty a 5970 is two 5870 chips on one board.
its currently the best graphics card available and has a hefty price tag to boot (650 -750 euro).

Only consider this if you have a monitor resolution in excess of 1920x1080.
Otherwise you're throwing your money away.

(for example a 5850 will run Crysis, GTA IV, COD, Bad company 2... Flawlessly at 1920x1080 and above - I run all my games on it at 3240x1920 without a bother)

I'm not saying don't spend your money, I'm just saying spend it so you get the most out of it.;)

+1. And a HD5870 is a bit too much for 1080p anyway - you should save it for at least a 2560*1600 or two 1080p monitors! As for a HD5970... you shouldn't even bother unless you intend running multiple 1080p (or higher!) monitors off one!! :eek:

sink

yomamasflavour wrote: »

I run all my games on it at 3240x1920 without a bother

What sort of setup have you got? That's the equivalent resolution of 3 1080p Full HD displays.

yomamasflavour

sink wrote: »

What sort of setup have you got? That's the equivalent resolution of 3 1080p Full HD displays.

Its posted in http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055334204 second one down.:D

bty op if you were genuinely interested in spending 2000 as you say
something more along the lines of this

would be a good start.
Though you'd have to be a VERY avid gamer to want such a setup and have deep pockets too:eek:

Solitaire

^ No i7-930?! Scandal!!

In fact if you really were going to get a HD5970 instead of a CrossFire setup you could probably get even better performance off a P55 + i7-860 build! :P

And surely there are better cases for ~€200 than an old Cosmos?

yomamasflavour

Solitaire wrote: »

^ No i7-930?! Scandal!!

In fact if you really were going to get a HD5970 instead of a CrossFire setup you could probably get even better performance off a P55 + i7-860 build! :P

And surely there are better cases for ~€200 than an old Cosmos?

Ah but then you could never go QUADFIRE with dual 5970s.:p

Solitaire

Two fires are more than enough to put out as it is!! :P

gamer_Niall

dam i haven't a clue lol thx yomamasflavour

thank you all for the replies! i'm slowly learning!!

would the 5970 run my games on a 40" tv ok?

this pc im building will just be for gaming mostly web browsing itunes ect.

yomamasflavour

gamer_Niall wrote: »

dam i haven't a clue lol thx yomamasflavour

thank you all for the replies! i'm slowly learning!!

would the 5970 run my games on a 40" tv ok?

this pc im building will just be for gaming mostly web browsing itunes ect.

If you have 3 hd tv screens, then a 5970 might be worth considering.
If not, you would see no difference whatsover between it and a much cheaper 5850.

With computers it's best to buy only what you need now, and keep the rest of your money for a later upgrade.

At least this way, if in a year or two you notice your computer has gotten a bit sluggish in games, you can upgrade it with the money you saved.

For someone who wants to game/web browse/watch dvds etc.
The earlier i5 build is probably the best choice. You'd get a beast of a computer for around 11/1200 and you'd still have the guts of a thousand euro for new games:D and any upgrades down the line.

gamer_Niall

ok the 5850 it is

what i5 build u recommend?

*your practically building my pc yomamasflavour ^^*

AlmightyCushion

Get the i5 750 and a gigabyte ud3 board. Then get a half decent 4GB DDR3 kit. Don't spend stupid money on memory. €100 or so on memory will do you grand. Seeing as you are spending a lot of money, you have to get an ssd. Either an intel or an ocz vertex. Seriously this makes a big difference.

gamer_Niall

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Get the i5 750 and a gigabyte ud3 board. Then get a half decent 4GB DDR3 kit. Don't spend stupid money on memory. €100 or so on memory will do you grand. Seeing as you are spending a lot of money, you have to get an ssd. Either an intel or an ocz vertex. Seriously this makes a big difference.

ssd? i haven't a clue remember? =p

Jack Bracken

Solid State Drive. Instead of having a magnetic disk like a conventional drive everything is done electronically. More info. The advantage to them is that you can read/write data a lot faster than with a conventional hard-drive which has to wait for moving parts to find data.

EDIT: You'd be best off putting your operating system and most used programs on it and nothing else. That'll allow you to boot windows and open up your internet browser or whatever in a fraction of the time it would usually take.

gamer_Niall

oh cool!! thank you for that!! learning more and more

L31mr0d

If you are getting an SSD make sure you read up about getting your drive to work better with Windows. They've made improvements with Windows 7 but there are still some steps you can take to get that drive running like butter.

An SSD will give you the biggest noticeable day-to-day use improvement over a mechanical HDD.

For OCZ SSD's try having a read of the forums here:

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?186-Vertex-Agility-Turbo-Solid-V2-Summit-Colossus-and-Z-Drive-with-Microsoft-OS.

gamer_Niall

ok thanks man will do

peneau

guys putting a build together any advice on these two processors appreciated
Core i7 quad 930 or the core i7 quad 920 ?


Thanks.

Jack Bracken

930 > 920. Simple math, dude.

But seriously, the 930 just has a higher clock speed and costs more. The 920 isn't exactly difficult to overclock, so I'd go with that.

peneau

Thanks for that, Jack, never was much good at maths